Rather the opposite - if he had been a United-player, people would forget about Ronaldo now
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If Toney puts £10K on himself not to score - he should not be charged if he wins ?
Assuming he's not bet on games involving himself, which would take it into new areas of severity, and it's not huge sums on big games, then it's probably going to be along the lines of what one of my Wycombe boys had the other season.
2months ban, 4months suspended, for 180odd bets.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51239326
What does CBT stand for, cause I Googled it and got some really, really weird shit.
Are you making an assumption that he's bet on games involving himself or players he knows?
Him placing say bets on a conference south game every week wouldn't be "that" serious. It's just that the rule is you can't bet on pro football at all.
I think I was about 10 and at the seaside.
Got a buzz from a stack of either 2 or 10ps coming out of a slot machine.
Then wazzed them all away and lost the lot.
Learnt my lesson that day
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I can remember that machine when all the coins sat on those sliding floors but never seemed to drop off in the winning tray.I think I was about 10 and at the seaside.
Got a buzz from a stack of either 2 or 10ps coming out of a slot machine.
Then wazzed them all away and lost the lot.
Learnt my lesson that day
Geez..that was frustrating!
I can't have been the only one imagining some kind of remote controlled coin that swept the whole slab dry
I can't have been the only one imagining some kind of remote controlled coin that swept the whole slab dry
May have been addressed in thread somewhere already, but what does it matter if Toney makes a bet on non-PL games or non-footballing sporting events? Not as if he can influence them. I may be being naive here.
This is all going to depend on what he has bet on. If he is picking a acca for conference football, for relatively small amounts I don't think it'll be too bad. If he has bet on stuff in the PL like manager changes, Brentford or some sort of things that PL/Champo players would only be privy to, then he'll be in a lot of trouble. The latter would get him the Trippier treatment which was something like 10 weeks for 7 bets. If it is the latter, I could see a near year ban. Especially as betting is already a hot potato with football atm.
Should clarify, betting on yourself or your team doing well, not much wrong with that to be honest.If Toney puts £10K on himself not to score - he should not be charged if he wins ?
Because it's a rule. Pro footballers cannot bet on football.
Football is a small industry, people talk. It's inevitable for a guy like Toney, who has played in lower leagues for different teams, that he'll have mates and contacts at other games.
Even a hint of knowing players in those leagues could easily blow up into a match fixing situation.
To be fair you can be completely outside football and still know some footballers. It doesn’t really make it any different, he is very unlikely to actually influence outcome of games he does not participate in and not really much more likely to be able to do that than an average person.
It does make a huge difference, as the rule is there - you can't place bets on football games when you're a pro footballer.
There's no such rule on "knowing" a player as such. But obviously insider knowledge is a grey area.
You think that's really weird? Bless you.
Some footballers yes but every footballer will know many other footballers. You have to set the line somewhere, arguing grey areas alone would be a disaster.
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Wow, 232 breaches over a 4 year period. I wonder why it took time so long to discover this, and how he was eventually found out.
I also wonder if there is an underlying condition.
I also wonder if there is an underlying condition.
I wonder if someone had a little word in Southgate's ear last week? 232 charges is a serious wtaf moment. That's not a dabble, it's full immersion and I can imagine him being off the scene for quite a while.
Presumably we won't 'ave a bang on that after today's developments.
But they don't have to be mutually exclusive. Actions have consequences. He knew the rules and decided to break them. He should not be treated any differently to you are me. He can still receive help if he needs it, along with serving whatever punishment he receives.
Ffs, these footballers are so dumb
It’s as if they don’t earn enough money. Needing to bet for big money. Must Be hard up.
That depends, do you know what I got? And if so how can you not find it weird?
If he's done a 6 team accumulator wonder would that count as 6 charges or 1. I'd say 6 no? Wouldn't be long piling up the charges if so
Cognitive Behavioural Therapy, it's a type of counselling you can receive.
He could have done a 232 game acca and only bet once his life
I’ll need counselling after what I saw. Thanks.
Basically what Sarni is saying.
I understand it’s the rule, and I’m not disputing he shouldn’t be punished - because it’s a rule. But I’m talking generally as to why the rule is there. I have a friend who plays league 1 football - what stops him telling me something and I put a bet on it?
I’m guessing sportsmen can bet on sports that isn’t their own right?
what an idiot
could get banned for the second half of the season
could get banned for the second half of the season
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Don't really agree with the above as it's a question of maintaining sporting integrity rather than them having a problem with betting itself, but the degree to which football ties itself to gambling is far less than ideal.
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It wouldn't be a breach of rules if he doesn't breach any rule, would it?
That's a bit weird logic. The government can received tax money from oil company, but it doesn't mean they'll allow government employee to work on oil company at the same time.
I fully support the idea of gambling companies being booted out of the game and not allowed to sponsor teams/leagues etc. but this logic is dumb.
Yeah, it's a nonsensical argument really. I just quoted it for the numbers in terms of how many teams are sponsored by bookies.
I know. I was just being argumentative and showing how smart I was.
I also against those betting companies sponsoring this family type of sport.
The rules are the rules so he's a silly boy.
But I don't think betting on other teams is very problematic. People say he knows people, football is a closed circle..so what. That's how betting has always worked. Inside information exists and it is profitable. No different to all the people that get information one way or the other. Plus they're probably all at it, using friends and family to place bets.
But I don't think betting on other teams is very problematic. People say he knows people, football is a closed circle..so what. That's how betting has always worked. Inside information exists and it is profitable. No different to all the people that get information one way or the other. Plus they're probably all at it, using friends and family to place bets.
I wonder if the FA knew and that's why he didn't get picked for the World Cup?
I bet they did.
I bet they did.