Westminster Politics

[Jericholyte2]

Net migration is an interesting one. On one hand, why would more people want to come here if we're the economic basket case of Europe? On the other, is it that people are far less likely to emigrate due to the end of free movement with the EU? (Was the latter ever that high to begin with?)

Find it weird to see the figures increase, despite there being worsening living standards and seasonal labourers drying up (are they counted in migration stats?).

Darren Grimes is a cnut fyi, just to add that in there.

As the guy above has said, it’s not Europeans coming. IIRC it’s mostly a combination of African and Indians coming over, which is putting Suella Braverman on a collision course with Sunak over any potential trade deal with India.

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Gee, I wonder why Ireland is at the top of that projection…real head-scratcher!

 

[Conor]

As the guy above has said, it’s not Europeans coming. IIRC it’s mostly a combination of African and Indians coming over, which is putting Suella Braverman on a collision course with Sunak over any potential trade deal with India.




Gee, I wonder why Ireland is at the top of that projection…real head-scratcher!

It's because we're cooler than you.

 

[Drifter]

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[Kinsella]

Gee, I wonder why Ireland is at the top of that projection…real head-scratcher!

Better there than where the UK is!

 

[Buster15]

So what have we to look forward to next year.
Energy prices going up from April from the so called average of £2500 by another £500.
Inflation eating into income by over 9%.
And council tax going up by about 5%.
So let's eat drink and be merry at Christmas, assuming you can afford to put the cooker on.
And make sure you ask father Christmas for a pair of gloves, hot water bottle and a heavy coat.

 

[TheGame]

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[calodo2003]

That’s so impressive, but not in a positive way.

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

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[Fluctuation0161]

COVID

Austerity doesn't work. It shrinks the economy and lowers standards of living / raises poverty.

Intelligent and strategic investment in the right areas drives growth. Some public investment some private incentives but not ideological privatisation and removal or reduction of all state services, it doesn't work for anyone except friends of the Tories (see PPE, track and trace, private health care and dental providers etc).

 

[Fluctuation0161]

...if you penalise people for having wealth then they stop trying to acquire it, which is bad for everybody.

This is rubbish. You are not taking wealth away simply taking taking a taxable percentage. Still leaving healthy profits.

 

[That'sHernandez]

Austerity doesn't work. It shrinks the economy and lowers standards of living / raises poverty.

Intelligent and strategic investment in the right areas drives growth. Some public investment some private incentives but not ideological privatisation and removal or reduction of all state services, it doesn't work for anyone except friends of the Tories (see PPE, track and trace, private health care and dental providers etc).

No argument here

 

[That'sHernandez]

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Where does she think we're gonna magic 4.7% growth in one month?

 

[The Boy]

if you penalise people for having wealth then they stop trying to acquire it, which is bad for everybody.

This is pure rubbish, unless you are referring to Elon Musk, who seems intent on making himself 44 billion dollars poorer!

 

[Vidyoyo]

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Some very good points there. If young people learn to enjoy sitting still and silently gazing at the wall they'll reap huge benefits from being poor.

 

[11101]

This is rubbish. You are not taking wealth away simply taking taking a taxable percentage. Still leaving healthy profits.

Actually you are right, it is rubbish. I've lived in a couple of places with wealth tax. People don't stop acquiring it. They hide it.

I'm actually all for a wealth tax as long as its fairly applied to all.

 

[Pexbo]

Actually you are right, it is rubbish. I've lived in a couple of places with wealth tax. People don't stop acquiring it. They hide it.

I'm actually all for a wealth tax as long as its fairly applied to all.

The problem is that people that earn millions do not work a relative amount harder than people that earn £25k - £50k, in a lot of cases they are earning these figures off the back of or at the expense of these people.

Why should CEOs earn 200x what the lowest full time worker at the same company earns? They could half it, still earn more than they could reasonably spend and offer not insignificant raises to people in their company but they don’t.

Then you have the issue of landlordism. Our economy is built on the housing market. A market which encourages buy to let which essentially means that people cannot afford to buy a house for themselves but can afford to buy someone else’s house for them. The landlord then enjoys passive income which avoids income tax.

This idea that people accrue wealth from their own hard work without the help of the society they have accrued the wealth in is totally wrong and frankly perverse.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Actually you are right, it is rubbish. I've lived in a couple of places with wealth tax. People don't stop acquiring it. They hide it.

I'm actually all for a wealth tax as long as its fairly applied to all.

They will hide it anyway. That's why tax regulation needs to be watertight and implemented correctly.

Instead we have politicians with the same ideology you have which doesn't work.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

No argument here

 

[Rhyme Animal]

I miss Liz Truss, so much.

It was comedy gold on a daily basis.

If we have to have an equally inept and corrupt government (which clearly we do), it should at least be funny and offer genuine entertainment.

I genuinely miss her. Who’s with me?

 

[TwoSheds]

I miss Liz Truss, so much.

It was comedy gold on a daily basis.

If we have to have an equally inept and corrupt government (which clearly we do), it should at least be funny and offer genuine entertainment.

I genuinely miss her. Who’s with me?

Would you pay £5k per 44 days for the privilege of having her back?

 

[Dancfc]

I miss Liz Truss, so much.

It was comedy gold on a daily basis.

If we have to have an equally inept and corrupt government (which clearly we do), it should at least be funny and offer genuine entertainment.

I genuinely miss her. Who’s with me?

That's probably the most disappointing thing about Sunak, I wasn't expecting a revolutionary PM by any means but I thought we'd atleast finally get some entry level competence.

On another note, when will the uncomfortable truth that the Tories didn't give themselves a majority be addressed?

 

[Frosty]

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Farage enabling abuse? Surely not.

 

[The Corinthian]

The problem is that people that earn millions do not work a relative amount harder than people that earn £25k - £50k, in a lot of cases they are earning these figures off the back of or at the expense of these people.

Why should CEOs earn 200x what the lowest full time worker at the same company earns? They could half it, still earn more than they could reasonably spend and offer not insignificant raises to people in their company but they don’t.

Then you have the issue of landlordism. Our economy is built on the housing market. A market which encourages buy to let which essentially means that people cannot afford to buy a house for themselves but can afford to buy someone else’s house for them. The landlord then enjoys passive income which avoids income tax.

This idea that people accrue wealth from their own hard work without the help of the society they have accrued the wealth in is totally wrong and frankly perverse.

Landlords still have to pay income tax on any rental income. The ‘passive income’ doesn’t avoid income tax.

Agree with the rest of your point though and I’ll add - our economy is geared towards taking on debt to succeed. Which feeds the capitalistic cycle.

 

[Mogget]

Landlords still have to pay income tax on any rental income. The ‘passive income’ doesn’t avoid income tax.

Agree with the rest of your point though and I’ll add - our economy is geared towards taking on debt to succeed. Which feeds the capitalistic cycle.

Most of the landlords I've rented from (including my current one) have only taken rent in cash. I seriously doubt they're declaring that income.

 

[The Corinthian]

Most of the landlords I've rented from (including my current one) have only taken rent in cash. I seriously doubt they're declaring that income.

Oh fair enough - yea it’s obviously easier to hide it if you’re receiving cash. There’s not a lot of landlords I know in London that are receiving cash. Most of them have other creative ways of minimising their tax burden which I guess is as effective.

 

[golden_blunder]

That's probably the most disappointing thing about Sunak, I wasn't expecting a revolutionary PM by any means but I thought we'd atleast finally get some entry level competence.

On another note, when will the uncomfortable truth that the Tories didn't give themselves a majority be addressed?

He’s such a weasel isn’t he? This is meant to be the Tory golden boy

 

[Jippy]

Most of the landlords I've rented from (including my current one) have only taken rent in cash. I seriously doubt they're declaring that income.

I haven't had that in years tbh. Renting our place out now and the agent takes tax out of the rent and it goes straight to HMRC. Quite a few hoops to jump through, eg gas and electric certificates, deposit in escrow etc...Hopefully councils clamp down on the shysters.

 

[Spark]

Most of the landlords I've rented from (including my current one) have only taken rent in cash. I seriously doubt they're declaring that income.

That’s definitely not a common method of paying your landlord, myself and everyone I’ve known who has rented - i.e. everyone I’ve known - has paid rent through standing order/an agent.

That’s just London, but not sure it’d be different elsewhere.

 

[horsechoker]

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Farage enabling abuse? Surely not.

They were probably racist before Farage got there

 

[Mogget]

Oh fair enough - yea it’s obviously easier to hide it if you’re receiving cash. There’s not a lot of landlords I know in London that are receiving cash. Most of them have other creative ways of minimising their tax burden which I guess is as effective.

That’s definitely not a common method of paying your landlord, myself and everyone I’ve known who has rented - i.e. everyone I’ve known - has paid rent through standing order/an agent.

That’s just London, but not sure it’d be different elsewhere.

Yeah I wouldn't say it's common, but there's definitely still landlords who try getting away with it. Should probably add that this is outside London but I know of other people whose landlords only accept rent in cash too.

 

[TwoSheds]

They were probably racist before Farage got there

The fact Farage is there giving a speech doesn't bode well for the level of their education.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

They were probably racist before Farage got there

Indeed, but the presence of a famous dog whistle hate-monger probably just heightened it in them…

The victims should press charges and make as big a deal as possible - people get fired for less, so these toffs should be booted out of their schools, but unsurprisingly, an apology is all that’s required when it’s the rich abusing the poor.

 

[TwoSheds]

Indeed, but the presence of a famous dog whistle hate-monger probably just heightened it in them…

The victims should press charges and make as big a deal as possible - people get fired for less, so these toffs should be booted out of their schools, but unsurprisingly, an apology is all that’s required when it’s the rich abusing the poor.

Well in fairness they are presumably children. I think the question should be more on the school here, what standards of behaviour and discourse are they teaching these toff thugs?

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Well in fairness they are presumably children. I think the question should be more on the school here, what standards of behaviour and discourse are they teaching these toff thugs?

They should be expelled, surely?

And they’re gonna be between 13 and 18.

 

[TwoSheds]

They should be expelled, surely?

And they’re gonna be between 13 and 18.

Or, as I call them, children.

I can't see how you can invite a racist grifter bellend to speak at a school and then expel children for being racist but maybe that's just me. It should be a learning experience for the school and students. Doubtless it won't be but not much I can do about that.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Or, as I call them, children.

I can't see how you can invite a racist grifter bellend to speak at a school and then expel children for being racist but maybe that's just me. It should be a learning experience for the school and students. Doubtless it won't be but not much I can do about that.

Are 18 year olds children?

But whatever, they should be expelled is my point.

 

[TheGame]

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[TwoSheds]

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Pantomime freak interviews circus freak.

 

[Pexbo]

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