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NotThatSoph

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Then explain to me what's causes inflation.

Hint it isn't unions,greed,oil producers, corporations etc.

All economists agree that inflation is created by excess money supply and government spending.
Why do you hate Milton Friedman?
 

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I'm talking about US inflation. All Bidens fault.

Inflation isn't an international thing. Eg Switzerland only has inflation of 3% .
I see you cherry picked Switzerland to make your point. Currently the Eurozone, Germany, UK, and the Netherland are all at 10%+. Amazing that those are all happening at the same time since there is no international influence.
 

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I see you cherry picked Switzerland to make your point. Currently the Eurozone, Germany, UK, and the Netherland are all at 10%+. Amazing that those are all happening at the same time since there is no international influence.
I for one, am livid that Joe Biden is causing such inflation in the Netherlands. What a cnut!

Really though, you can hardly blame the occassional troll in the CE forum. No place jumps on them like we do :lol:
 

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Then explain to me what's causes inflation.

Hint it isn't unions,greed,oil producers, corporations etc.

All economists agree that inflation is created by excess money supply and government spending.
We've had 14 years of quantitative easing.
 

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No. That's down to the clowns in the ECB who admitted they messed up.


https://ecaef.org/inflation-we-were-wrong/
You can't make silly sweeping statements like inflation is ALL JOE BIDEN'S FAULT and all economists agree that government spend is the cause of inflation and then expect reasonable and nuanced debate debate. You are obviously not looking for that.

More power to you though, who doesnt like a good trollin'
 

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Inflation is made in one place and one only. Washington. Biden and the fed are to blame for inflation.

The only thing that can cause inflation is monetary policy and gov spend.
That's simply not true. Many factors contribute to inflation, especially in this very specific economic environment.

You also realize that the equity bull run was, in part, helped by excess spending power in the economy as a result of stimulus packages during covid?
 

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Its absolutely disgraceful what went on pre the takeover. I hope the police have a full investigation.
Turning this back on topic, I really want to know if this was a post by you in good faith or just part one of your troll the CE forum holiday.
 

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Turning this back on topic, I really want to know if this was a post by you in good faith or just part one of your troll the CE forum holiday.

Why wasn't this done before the takeover?
 

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Wait, now it's the ECB? Janet Yellen (who has not been in the Fed since 2018)? I thought it was all Biden's fault?
Where is the Tesla factory?

High energy costs in America are Joe Bidens fault.
 

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No. That's down to the clowns in the ECB who admitted they messed up.


https://ecaef.org/inflation-we-were-wrong/
You're a bit all over the place, and you're shooting yourself in the foot. When you mention the Fed and the ECB, that's monetary policy. If you want to blame the lax monetary policy since the financial crisis for the current levels on inflation, alright. Do you want to criticize them for their (lack of or slow) reaction to the rise of inflation? Ok. The Fed and the ECB are independent entities, Biden doesn't control either. So if you want to blame Biden by saying that this is because of the Fed, then you're wrong. You therefore have to allow for government spending to cause inflation, because you want to blame Biden:


Then explain to me what's causes inflation.

Hint it isn't unions,greed,oil producers, corporations etc.

All economists agree that inflation is created by excess money supply and government spending.
I'm highlighting government spending here because you're opening the door to non-monetary sources of inflation. When you say that government spending can cause inflation, what you're saying is that government spending can increase demand, which can then cause inflation.



You're saying that government spending can create a positive demand shock, shifting the AD curve outward. Of course, other things can shift the AD curve, which would then also cause changes in the price level, but that's not the most relevant part. As you can see, we have a supply thing going on as well here.

- What happens to the price level if the blue supply curve shifts inward?
- Can you think of any global factors the last two years that might have an impact on aggregate supply?
 

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What evidence do you have that it wasn't?

When Elon brakes in a tesla do you also assume no one else ever slowed a car before?



https://www.newsweek.com/while-blue...g-sexually-exploited-children-opinion-1761383
"Twitter refused to remove the illegal material and instead continued to promote and profit from the sexual abuse of the children," reads the lawsuit. Twitter even reported back to John Doe #1 that the video in question did not violate any of their policies.
 

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Why wasn't this done before the takeover?
Musk is taking a line straight out of the Q Anon/right wing mentalist playbook here. Barely stopping short of accusing the liberal elite of child sex trafficking. Obviously playing to his base (people like you) but a real worry considering the power he has in his current role.
 

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https://www.newsweek.com/while-blue...g-sexually-exploited-children-opinion-1761383
"Twitter refused to remove the illegal material and instead continued to promote and profit from the sexual abuse of the children," reads the lawsuit. Twitter even reported back to John Doe #1 that the video in question did not violate any of their policies.
An opinion piece which references a story they 'heard about' featuring John Doe#1 and John Doe#2 while painting Musk as a hero. Compelling stuff, tell me more.
 

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https://www.newsweek.com/while-blue...g-sexually-exploited-children-opinion-1761383
"Twitter refused to remove the illegal material and instead continued to promote and profit from the sexual abuse of the children," reads the lawsuit. Twitter even reported back to John Doe #1 that the video in question did not violate any of their policies.
That article itself says twitter was tackling it just not to the standard the writer would like. I'm not a twitter user but I had thought tweets had the report function for a very long time?
 

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An opinion piece which references a story they 'heard about' featuring John Doe#1 and John Doe#2 while painting Musk as a hero. Compelling stuff, tell me more.
Sept 28 (Reuters) - Some major advertisers including Dyson, Mazda, Forbes and PBS Kids have suspended their marketing campaigns or removed their ads from parts of Twitter because their promotions appeared alongside tweets soliciting child pornography, the companies told Reuters.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/...s-next-child-pornography-accounts-2022-09-28/

What the hell were twitter at? Very poor moderation.
 

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You're a bit all over the place, and you're shooting yourself in the foot. When you mention the Fed and the ECB, that's monetary policy. If you want to blame the lax monetary policy since the financial crisis for the current levels on inflation, alright. Do you want to criticize them for their (lack of or slow) reaction to the rise of inflation? Ok. The Fed and the ECB are independent entities, Biden doesn't control either. So if you want to blame Biden by saying that this is because of the Fed, then you're wrong. You therefore have to allow for government spending to cause inflation, because you want to blame Biden:




I'm highlighting government spending here because you're opening the door to non-monetary sources of inflation. When you say that government spending can cause inflation, what you're saying is that government spending can increase demand, which can then cause inflation.



You're saying that government spending can create a positive demand shock, shifting the AD curve outward. Of course, other things can shift the AD curve, which would then also cause changes in the price level, but that's not the most relevant part. As you can see, we have a supply thing going on as well here.

- What happens to the price level if the blue supply curve shifts inward?
- Can you think of any global factors the last two years that might have an impact on aggregate supply?
Excellent post. It's also worth noting that inflation can't be looked at as an insular phenomena. Many countries are experiencing inflation right now primarily as a result of the international dynamics of global aggregate supply, demand, and monetary policy.
 

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Unreal. His short resume on Wikipedia is quite something.
While it's worrying that a member of the Caf seems to be engaging with or adhering to this guy, it's more troubling that the only people Elon Musk now engages with on Twitter are alt-right/white supremacist or similar individuals. He engages with vile racists in his mentions and takes their input as valid. It's incredibly dangerous for the wealthiest man in the world to be turning into Henry Ford.
 

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This whole obsession with paedophilia is front and centre for right wing cranks at the moment. They’re weaponising it for political gain. Not ideal to see Musk has swallowed this agenda, hook line and sinker.
This is not the first time. Anyone alive in the US in the 80's will remember the Satanic Abuse "crisis" of the 80's and 90's, highlighted by the McMartin Preschool scandal. Nothing rials people up like the thought of their child being abused, it is why the tactic is so powerful, and so dangerous.
 

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Then explain to me what's causes inflation.

Hint it isn't unions,greed,oil producers, corporations etc.

All economists agree that inflation is created by excess money supply and government spending.
Are you serious right now? The current inflation is caused by a combination of post-COVID shipping issues and the Russian invasion which are massively disrupting global fuel prices and heavily driving global inflation. It has basically nothing to do with Biden at the moment. This is pretty much the consensus view.

Here is the Wall Street Journal, hardly a bastion of leftist thought explaining it to you:
"I conceptualize the failure to anticipate how long supply-chain problems would last as placing excessive faith in capitalism. We economists tend to believe that profit-seeking capitalists will sniff out, act on and profit from high prices whenever and wherever they pop up. You know: Buy low, sell high. That’s happening, but far more slowly than I imagined. In addition, new waves of Covid keep coming.

Much of the rest of the error in forecasting inflation can be traced directly to the war in Ukraine, which has severely constricted the world’s supplies of oil, wheat, fertilizer and other products. CPI data show that food inflation and energy inflation together have added about 2.6 percentage points to the overall inflation rate over the last 12 months."

You can also look into how the COVID induced rise of shipping costs have contributed to rising prices around the world. At one point the cost of a 40-foot shipping had risen from around $1,300 pre-COVID to $11,000 or even thousands more at peak. Your takes here really ignore the impact of global events and how much they affect global inflation (which will obviously differ from nation to nation due to how exposed different countries are to these factors). The globalized economy has pretty much never experienced a disruption to shipping the way COVID did so it's expected to cause problems like this over a few years while everything adjusts. And Russia's invasion has had a massive impact on fuel costs and food costs (although, again, that's going to differ depending on the country).

You add in the Fed (and other central banks) to a much smaller degree because their error was in poorly forecasting the impact of post-COVID shipping and the Russian invasion as the WSJ mentions so yes, it's a factor but one dependent on the two important worldwide conditions.

Blaming Biden is just ignorance.
 
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