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Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc
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Not the time or place. Have some respect
In that case, should it also not be the case that the accused has to prove/demonstrate how they perceived that consent had been/ was given? I appreciate that may sound ludicrous in most cases, but no more so than someone having to prove a negative.
I think it's fair to say that rape is a nightmare in every single way. It's one of the worst crimes and it's also impossible to prove most of the time, so it becomes a headache legally as well.
Even if just 1% of allegations are false, it's simply too much to have blind faith in the accuser and convict based on this. If someone tells me they've been raped then I will always believe them and feel sympathy, but I wouldn't want it to hold up in court. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a far too important concept. It pains me that so many monsters are able to walk free, but I see no other solution at this moment.
Even if just 1% of allegations are false, it's simply too much to have blind faith in the accuser and convict based on this. If someone tells me they've been raped then I will always believe them and feel sympathy, but I wouldn't want it to hold up in court. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a far too important concept. It pains me that so many monsters are able to walk free, but I see no other solution at this moment.
Isn't it?
Always thought Lorraine Kelly was a decent person.
"So am I going to put my mortgage on the line by saying who this person is or entering into any conversations like that? We’ve seen what happens to the people who talk about alleged predators..." - Katherine Ryan.
Accepting that "innocent until proven guilty" is the correct concept to apply in court, that's in court, where consequences can include the state depriving you of your liberty. That standard doesn't apply outside of court.
In other words if person X accuses person Y, people are free to believe person X and act accordingly. Which includes declining to support, associate with or employ person Y. You don't need to have the allegation proven to a criminal standard in order to make your own moral or value judgements based on the information available, even if it is rational to temper your response in light of your lack of certainty.
So in the case of the person Katherine Ryan was referring to for example, people who are aware of his reputation within the industry and the allegations against him can and should choose not to employ him. Because while that could mean unfairly limiting his career opportunuties if the accusations are unfounded, there's no moral obligation on them to give that risk greater consideration than the risk that the allegations are actually true. In fact given all we know about the relative likelihood of legitimate accusations versus false accusations, quite the opposite. Unlike a legal setting, theirs is one where they can place more weight on accusations alone, particularly as they can decline to employ someone without making any sort of public accusation against them.
In other words if person X accuses person Y, people are free to believe person X and act accordingly. Which includes declining to support, associate with or employ person Y. You don't need to have the allegation proven to a criminal standard in order to make your own moral or value judgements based on the information available, even if it is rational to temper your response in light of your lack of certainty.
So in the case of the person Katherine Ryan was referring to for example, people who are aware of his reputation within the industry and the allegations against him can and should choose not to employ him. Because while that could mean unfairly limiting his career opportunuties if the accusations are unfounded, there's no moral obligation on them to give that risk greater consideration than the risk that the allegations are actually true. In fact given all we know about the relative likelihood of legitimate accusations versus false accusations, quite the opposite. Unlike a legal setting, theirs is one where they can place more weight on accusations alone, particularly as they can decline to employ someone without making any sort of public accusation against them.
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It certainly is and the fact that rape, which is often 'weaponized' in war situations where 'bloodletting' and lust combined are used as 'tools of war' to dominate and subjugate an enemy, can go unpunished, adds to the horror of realizing that justice very rarely is administered, in such situations, or indeed in relative peacetime.
Accusations remain just that thought until proven. She’d be leaving herself open to some pretty heavy legal trouble if she named the person and wasn’t able to prove it.
Oh absolutely, she shouldn't publicly name him, especially as she has no actual evidence to present.
My point was more that if these allegations are as widely known as she says, it shouldn't take him being publicly named for TV show producers to decline to book him. They'll have heard those same stories and should be erring on the side of caution by side-stepping the issue and hiring someone else. Whereas I suspect that if someone is a good booking or they have a positive relationship with them or their management, they're too quick to shrug their shoulders and say "well nothing is public or proven" and continue on regardless.
If she's referring to the person I assume she is, it's really not that much of a secret or a surprise that he's sus anyway and there's a fair chance some people have declined to work with him for that reason. But in general they should be more pro-active in avoiding working with people carrying reps for being a creep.
There’s definitely a common denominator here
Yeah, as a misogynistic trope as it is, don't stick your dick in crazy is advice this poster could take on board.
Awwwwwhh, but they're the best ones !
Yeah I know
The jury in the Danny Masterson trial failed to reach a verdict.
What if you just rub it on their clit?
Have to find it first mate.
What happened to the Morgan Freeman allegations from a couple of years ago. They seemed to just disappear
He already served 40 years in the can.
Did his time at Shawshank
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/dec/30/aerosmith-steven-tyler-lawsuit-sexual-battery-assault
Aerosmith’s Steven Tyler sued for 1970s sexual battery and assault of minor
Suit alleges ‘various acts of criminal sexual conduct’ were committed against teenager by singer over three-year period
Aerosmith’s Steven Tyler sued for 1970s sexual battery and assault of minor
Suit alleges ‘various acts of criminal sexual conduct’ were committed against teenager by singer over three-year period
He should spend the remainder of his life behind bars if he was aware that she was a minor.
Well. He asked custody to her parents and i think he got it
Bravo for the parents also if so
Surely you can't get custody of a teenager and then start banging her? That would be even worse, if you're her legal guardian and not just a random creep.
I thought this was common knowledge, a bit like Wyman, Bowie or jimmy page. So even though everybody knew, she wasn’t able to do anything about it until recently due to the statute of limitations being extended?
You mean like woody allen?
It was the 70s, shady stuff was done and is not the only time i heard things like that
I saw a documentary not that long ago that a random guy did that married and got the girl pregnant and later on ended with the daughter. So yeah shitty things back in the day
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64258125
Rick and Morty creator Justin Roiland facing domestic assault charges
Rick and Morty creator Justin Roiland facing domestic assault charges
Too scared to post this in the football forum
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/64346267.amp
Dani Alves: Former Barcelona defender detained on suspicion of sexual assault
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/football/64346267.amp
Dani Alves: Former Barcelona defender detained on suspicion of sexual assault
They'll have to arrest Bowie (or his corpse), Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, every member of Motley Crue and probably 80% of rock stars from the 70s and 80s then because it sounds like they were almost all to a man at this kind of thing. Probably just as widespread now actually. Statutory rape seems to be one of those crimes famous people are particularly good at getting away with.
And he just admitted it in his 2011 book as if he wasn't a grooming creep who sex trafficked a minor?
Another lever pulled.
Cant help themselves can they footballers.
Obviously way worse with the English lot too as most of their accusations have been 14 year olds. Its like they all decided two years younger than legal was their cut off.
He's done for, the evidence is so against him his team in México fired him and Xavi Hernandez has giving some statements assuming he's guilty.
During his time in Barcelona I had more of a neutral opinion about him, he wasn't as likeable as someone like Puyol or Iniesta but he also wasn't as much of a prick like other players in that team so I don't feel bad about him. If any the victim and his wife are the ones currently having a real bad time because of what he did.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...exually-inappropriate-behaviour-in-new-report
Gérard Depardieu: 13 women accuse actor of sexually inappropriate behaviour in new report
An extensive investigation by Mediapart details allegations of on-set actions by the actor – who denies criminal behaviour – between 2004 and 2022
Gérard Depardieu: 13 women accuse actor of sexually inappropriate behaviour in new report
An extensive investigation by Mediapart details allegations of on-set actions by the actor – who denies criminal behaviour – between 2004 and 2022