Please, do list the times he lost the ball with silly flicks and Hollywood passes (he misplaced one long pass out of the 4 he attempted for what it's worth) in the second half.
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He wasted too many good chances to extend the lead, but he looked visibly tired.
Why does he have to play full 90+ minutes in every game, in win or lose position?
Why does he have to play full 90+ minutes in every game, in win or lose position?
I get the argument that you need to take the good with the bad and let him do his thing, but if he could clean up his game and make some better decisions at times it wouldn't affect his productivity one bit.
He gets compared to KDB all the time with passing stats X and Y but from what I've seen it seems that 8/10 times when KDB loses possession it's when he plays the final ball when he's in position to play the final ball, whereas Bruno plays the final ball/tries those little flicks pretty much wherever he is on the pitch. If he didn't play like we're down 1 goal with 5min left to play all the time and slowed down his game every now and again he would be so much better in my eyes.
edit: this isn't so much a comment on today's game, more about his game in general.
He gets compared to KDB all the time with passing stats X and Y but from what I've seen it seems that 8/10 times when KDB loses possession it's when he plays the final ball when he's in position to play the final ball, whereas Bruno plays the final ball/tries those little flicks pretty much wherever he is on the pitch. If he didn't play like we're down 1 goal with 5min left to play all the time and slowed down his game every now and again he would be so much better in my eyes.
edit: this isn't so much a comment on today's game, more about his game in general.
Needs to be scoring more but I feel like he is doing a lot of underappreciated work this season.
That's because KdB 1) plays in a team that's much better at getting the ball into those positions for him and 2) is a much better dribbler than Bruno. You can improve 1 but you'll never change number 2.
Where are you getting your stats from if you don't mind me asking?
Both are very basic dribblers?
He was abysmal for 70 minutes. I’d question anyone who says otherwise, absolute nonsense to say he wasn’t. The last 20 minutes was sublime and the run and touch for the assist was superb.
While that might be true it still doesn't mean Bruno can't play the easy ball instead of going for the assist/pre-assist all the time. Ironically enough I think it would lead to him getting the ball in better positions more often.
Jaysus. Those are a lot better than I imagined they would be. Confusing.
I mean... you can describe them however you want stylistically but KdB is a vastly more effective and prolific dribbler than Bruno. Since they've both been here KdB has averaged 2.5 attempted dribbles a game with a success rate of 60% and Bruno has averaged 1.62 attempted dribbles a game with a success of 48%.
There's a trade off between playing the easy ball and the risky ball, if you're asking him to reign in his through balls then you might as well find another less productive player and hope the attacking 3 pick up the slack. His passing stats are already slightly less sloppy than a lot of his contemporaries.
He has created more chances for his team than De Bruyne and got more assists since he got here. KDB plays the role that Eriksen plays for us. Bruno's job is to take chances and it seems to pay off. Tonight being yet another of the countless examples.
No one thinks McTominay is better than average
Thanks I will.
KDP does not effect games with his driving and neither does Bruno. I am basing this on watching them both a lot. If you disagree please find 5 goals in the last year that resulted from KDB's dribbling.
They play in different positions. I bet Mctominay has quite good dribbling stats based on this metric.
It's pretty easy to see that De Bruyne does influence games with his dribbling just from this in the last year.
I'm starting to think you've just never watched Man City before.
Great response. Don't answer questions and then try to discredit someone's opinion with nothing but a silly quip.
Sorry De Bruyne is Messi incarnate and dribbling is a major part of his game.
Edit. Oh you even have a YouTube video. This is behind repute then.
For my money Bruno looks like a much better dribbler here. (Not that he is. Both are pretty standard dribblers, amazing that this is a debate)
Make an inanely onerous request when presented with facts which invalidate your assumptions and then ignore further evidence which you requested because it's not in the exact format you requested then round it off with a cheeky reductio ad absurdum... nice talk.
Present a statistic that ignores all context and then just insult someone and show a YouTube video. Good talk.
I haven't insulted you once, this is rather desperate.
If you're going to link a video of Bruno you should probably check there's more than one clip of him from his time at United there.
Desperate for what?
You insinuated that I am making a point about City and "have never watched them" which would be pretty idiotic.
Anyway, if you think De Bruyne is a significantly better dribbler than Bruno then I struggle to see that when I watch them both.
Unfortunately I think your stats are pretty pointless as Bruno typically plays in a far more congested area of the pitch. I imagine McTominay has decent stats in the same categories that you provided earlier as he is often in the position to burst into space. Please don't mistake this as me comparing McTominay to De Bruyne (as that will be the next thing you do) it is just highlighting a point.
He was actively a detriment to our attack in the first half. He is utterly useless anywhere but in his favored position.
Coincidentally he was very good when Donny was injured and he got to move into his 10 spot. Zero reason to play him unless it's in that position.
Coincidentally he was very good when Donny was injured and he got to move into his 10 spot. Zero reason to play him unless it's in that position.
As you can see here, KdB is 6th in the league for xT from carries by attacking midfeilders (only marginally behind league leaders Grealish and Kulusevski) and Bruno is 19th (with 1/3rd of the xT per 90 of KdB).
Both in terms of dribbling and ball carrying, KdB is much more of a threat.
For what it's worth, McTominay has even less xT per 90 than Bruno, because ball carrying from deep isn't weighted as highly... so if KdB really was playing "the Eriksen role" he's have to be an order of magnitude better than Bruno at ball carrying to be so far ahead.
Both in terms of dribbling and ball carrying, KdB is much more of a threat.
For what it's worth, McTominay has even less xT per 90 than Bruno, because ball carrying from deep isn't weighted as highly... so if KdB really was playing "the Eriksen role" he's have to be an order of magnitude better than Bruno at ball carrying to be so far ahead.
This is PL stats from the 19/20 season to today. If Bruno has more overall then he must be a monster in cup games.
Big chances created -
KDB 85
Bruno 49
Assists -
KDB 49
Bruno 28
The number of appearances, touches, goals, passes, pass %, and number of times dispossessed are all very similar to the point it's almost weird.
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If he didn't play we'd have lost tonight
Nonsense.
We will never be a top level team with this clown running around, he's simply incapable of holding the ball under pressure which is the root cause of the vast majority of his problematic turnovers. There seems to be this misconception that he turns the ball over because he's always trying things, or because he's overly direct and neither are correct. It's because he can't hold the ball under pressure and he knows this so when he receives the ball high up the pitch in congested areas he just punts it in behind quickly. It's not just about passing accuracy numbers and possession lost numbers, all the top creators lose the ball often.
This kind of player can't be part of a team who try to dominate every game and make the pitch small by squeezing up the pitch.
Counting the days till we're shot of him
This kind of player can't be part of a team who try to dominate every game and make the pitch small by squeezing up the pitch.
Counting the days till we're shot of him
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When DVDB was off the pitch he was playing LB whilst Martial sat on the halfway line completely clueless. His counter-press after Rashford had lost the ball for the third time in a row in transition in the second half kept possession and allowed us to maintain our pressure, his running on and off the ball is actually insane for a creative playmaker. He got an assist, could've been 2...
When Bruno doesn't play we crumble; I've seen it enough times to not care whether he plays good or bad.
He was an active detriment to our attack in the first half. Wrong passes, giving the ball away while trying for silly flicks.
He had no part in us getting that vital first goal that opened up the match.
He simply isn't useful unless playing in the spot as the 10 for us. As soon as he has to play on the side together with a different AM he starts taking weird decisions.
Is he vital to our succes this season? Absolutely. But he needs to play in his favored position. If he is tired let him sit out a half instead of playing him on the right.
If De Gea didn't pull out those saves today we lose, with or without Bruno.
Tbf I just checked Odegaards stats tonight and they are wretched
Thought he was poor tbh. Gave the ball away quite a-bit, and was trying fecking ridiculous passes instead of simpler/better options. Still ended up with an assist and played a part in Shaw's goal, though.
Yeah by all accounts he really did not have the best of games, although playing against Newcastle and their shithousing can do that to you.Tbf I just checked Odegaards stats tonight and they are wretched
I noticed that Bruno pushed Rashford towards the corner flag to get him to celebrate his goal rather than join him. He's always a team-first captain/manager. Doesn't need to take credit for the assist for a tap-in goal. He's probably disappointed with himself for the mistakes/mispasses earlier.
The closest player we got to a Keano without the anger issue.
The closest player we got to a Keano without the anger issue.
Even though he doesn't have the stats to show for it i think hes playing better now than under Ole tbh, more of a team player, pretty much the captain in spirit and at the heart of everything.
Really needs to work on his ball retention, can be quite infuriating at times but other than that, decent performance.
I don't know how someone can watch both De Bruyne and Bruno and think they are similar dribblers, even without all of the evidence you have produced
It's part of what makes De Bruyne so great, because on top of being an elite creative passer he can carry well enough AND is two footed in everything he does. Bruno is a great creator in his own right in the final third, but anyone who watches him could tell you he's probably one of the worst ball carriers in the United side which is why he has to make up for it with off the ball running (which to his credit he does well).
I knew the moment he lost the ball a few times (the man runs himself into the ground every game) the usual suspects would show up here making a meal of it.
ETH plays everyone on merit. Not even Casemiro or Ronaldo gets away with it… so if Bruno was really that bad he’d have been subbed.
ETH plays everyone on merit. Not even Casemiro or Ronaldo gets away with it… so if Bruno was really that bad he’d have been subbed.
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He's both our worst and best player, typically in the space of about 2 minutes.
At one point in the first half we'd overloaded the left wing, just had Bruno and Rashford against one defender. All Bruno had to do was any kind of decent pass and Rashford is in. Instead he tried a no-look backheel and trickled it 2 yards.
What he does better than probably any player I've ever seen though, is stay involved. And eventually something comes off.
I really wonder if a 30 year old Bruno is actually going to improve when he stops doing stupid things 50% of the time, and just lowers it to 25% of the time.
Also, at some point he forgot how to shoot. Which is weird.
At one point in the first half we'd overloaded the left wing, just had Bruno and Rashford against one defender. All Bruno had to do was any kind of decent pass and Rashford is in. Instead he tried a no-look backheel and trickled it 2 yards.
What he does better than probably any player I've ever seen though, is stay involved. And eventually something comes off.
I really wonder if a 30 year old Bruno is actually going to improve when he stops doing stupid things 50% of the time, and just lowers it to 25% of the time.
Also, at some point he forgot how to shoot. Which is weird.
He started very poorly and second half it was all Bruno, he was everywhere. Most irritating was those silly flicks, it was very poor.
Amazing how few said he would be the first one to be benched or wont be regular under EtH and then EtH did the exact opposite. No matter what he will always play Bruno. Same with Rashford.
There isn't a single player in our squad who can offer what he does, not even close.
Amazing how few said he would be the first one to be benched or wont be regular under EtH and then EtH did the exact opposite. No matter what he will always play Bruno. Same with Rashford.
There isn't a single player in our squad who can offer what he does, not even close.
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