Still can't believe he punched that easy, slow ball near the end. Mental.
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Don't think anybody would disagree with this.except that we shouldn't have a "decent" "8th-10th best in PL" goalkeeper if we aspire to be a top team again.
That non existent pass to Shaw in the first half is hilarious watching on the replay. He got the ball and passed it out for a throw and shaw was no where close. He just expected Shaw there and didn't look 
I laugh cos I don't wanna get angry.
I laugh cos I don't wanna get angry.
I actually liked that, take the sting out the game to kill momentum. I don't see why our players can't stay down for an extra few seconds like other teams do.
I can't wait for us to get a new ball playing GK and he solves us our attacking and midfield issues immediately.
EDIT: All that "ball playing" from him, Varane, Martinez, Shaw and AWB yesterday did wonders to our build up play and 2 touches in the opposition box the majority of the first half.
EDIT: All that "ball playing" from him, Varane, Martinez, Shaw and AWB yesterday did wonders to our build up play and 2 touches in the opposition box the majority of the first half.
Could be my imagination but he seems worse in the big games. The nerves of the occasion seem to get to him more.
Aye.except that we shouldn't have a "decent" "8th-10th best in PL" goalkeeper if we aspire to be a top team again.
In the summer the argument was that we had bigger priorities than replacing De Gea, who would do for now. And I think that's basically proven to be correct. We did have bigger priorities, we clearly spent to the limit of what we could as is, and De Gea has done okay enough that we're still in every competition and on course for top four.
But going into this summer, he has moved up the priority list. I asked in another thread which "good" players needed to be upgraded and in terms of our starting eleven De Gea was the second most name-checked player behind Eriksen (with CF a given as our first priority). Obviously it depends on how much business we can do this summer, but I think sticking with "average" for another year is pushing it if we're generally saying he's the third biggest issue in our starting eleven.
Bit how do you envisage selling him on his current wages? I struggle to think of a club that would cover his transfer fee as well as match the huge salary he’s on.
He's out of contract in the summer, so you don't need to sell him. You just let him go the same way other players went last summer, knowing that while you're not getting a fee for him you are getting his massive wages off the books.
I thought the club had the option of another year. If true, they’ll certainly take it. I get that you’re saying what you think they should do, rather than what they will do, but it’s exceptionally rare that a club allows a player to leave for free when they have the option of protecting some value. More so when said player is first choice.
I really think the day we get an upgrade to de gea will be followed by long periods of silence on this thread. It will probably be exactly like when we ditched maguire for varane. The gulf in class between them was so vast that the english pundits are now just advising maguire to find another club rather than actually fight for his position. The excuses De gea gets after every big game failure are amazing. Yes he is a good shot stopper but thats about it....he is so poor at everything else its obvious we need a better keeper. Basically its maguire all over again...good in the air...but cant defend one on one, has no pace and isnt good at reading the game.
De gea isnt the future for us anymore. We need to move on
De gea isnt the future for us anymore. We need to move on
That Licha wondertackle on Xhaka(?) when it was 2-2 -- I haven't watched back any replays but I think a more proactive 'keeper comes out and claims that. De Gea is always glued to his line.
Jesus DavePSxG per 90 - 14th out of 22 goalkeepers in the league
Crosses per 90 - 21nd out of 22
Sweeps per 90 - 18th out of 22
His long passing is also shite (19th of 22) but let's not try and act like that's his only issue.
People saying he's the 8-10th best goalkeeper in the league are being incredibly generous.
If that's him coming out for it, maybe it's best that he doesn't do anything.
Unfeckinbelievable, straight at Martinelli as well.
That really is just the epitome of pathetic goalkeeping. Get rid.
As I said, I can not wait to get some of these 10 better GKs in the league that will improve the team so much in the build up play while also do what DDG does for us on regular. Can you please suggest who are these 10 better GKs in the league?
He really should be benched for a while after this.
What exactly are you claiming he does "on regular"? Make wonder saves and follow them up with basic errors? Keep oppositions attacks alive by pushing the ball back into dangerous areas? Give possession away?
With how we play we'd pretty clearly be better off with a goalkeeper with a more rounded skillset than than (which tbf is pretty much every goalkeeper in the league), so to list 10 PL goalkeepers I'd be more comfortable with than him; Alisson, Ederson, Ramsdale, Raya, Martinez, Sanchez, Pope, Pickford, Kepa, Sa. There are more too, probably another 3 off the top of my head.
Are we supposed to be pretending that the below is good enough?
We all want the perfect keeper, the one who’s at the same time brilliant at shot stopping as well as claiming crosses and distribution. There are a few, but few keepers truly excel at all three.
I can’t believe that we are giving him a new deal, he is absolutely trash & even if we don’t get a better keeper we should at least get a cheaper one
Ah feck. Can't believe I've been made to watch that again. Didn't even need to catch it over his head. He could have gathered the fecking thing into his chest. I wonder what Varane made of that? You can see him shielding the ball for an easy catch for his keeper. And how shit was the execution of the punch?!? Unbelievable.
And how are we supposedly playing please elaborate? How did we score the 2 goals yesterday? And what chances did we create that DDG so much handicapped us?
Of course it's not. How many of our players have been good enough in the last 365 days?Are we supposed to be pretending that the below is good enough?
Tbf Varane has played with Lloris for France for years so I'd say not a lot surprises him from his goalkeepers at this point.
Glad I wasn't the only one who was left flabberghasted at that display of lack of confidence.
I wouldn't blame Dave for any of the goals yesterday. He's been in top form since the first few games of the season.
Well I'm not sure why you're going on at me given it seems to be everyone else slating his on-ball ability whereas I've pointed out that the majority of the things he's shite at are basic expectations of a goalkeeper and have been for decades, also most of which are nothing to do with having the ball at his feet. But as you asked, we have a manager and first choice centre half pairing that traditionally play high defensive lines. EtH wants to play a possession based brand of football in the opponents half of the field, everything points to that. Due to having a goalkeeper that does not leave his line we have to play one of the deepest lines in the division, because we expect our defenders to deal with the vast majority of balls in behind themselves and crosses into the box, as such they naturally have to play deeper which in turn increases the distance between defence and midfield which generally makes for a more difficult passing game.
My issues with De Gea are far more related to the chaos he creates on a regular basis than how poor he is on the ball, although they are on occasion linked - ala the goal at Palace from his ridiculous aimless hoof and yesterday kicking the ball out to nobody at all in the left back spot, giving Arsenal a throw in in an attacking area.
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When did he do this? I’ve just seen the replay on Twitter and cannot for the life of me remember!
*it’s a good thing I seemed to have missed it as id have been raging! Seem to remember him doing something similar when we beat PSG under Ole
I'm gobsmacked that there's talk of a new contract especially coming off the back of that game yesterday.
ETH obviously demands that we play out for from the back and David for all his positives is not and never will be that guy.
Also that 'punch' clip that keeps getting posted was ridiculous. How can the defence have any confidence in a keeper that does that? His kicking and his weakness in the air is holding us back. Surely the manager can see that?
For me he needs replacing as a second priority after a striker. I genuinely think it's that serious.
ETH obviously demands that we play out for from the back and David for all his positives is not and never will be that guy.
Also that 'punch' clip that keeps getting posted was ridiculous. How can the defence have any confidence in a keeper that does that? His kicking and his weakness in the air is holding us back. Surely the manager can see that?
For me he needs replacing as a second priority after a striker. I genuinely think it's that serious.
No he hasn’t. I think people have mistaken ‘no massive errors’ = ‘top form’ not to mention that huge error he made against Everton in the cup
I feel guilty joining the pile-on here but another thing I think was very noticeable yesterday was the fact that we really struggle to clear the ball from corners. What frequently happens is that we'll head the corner away but it will come straight back at us because we don't have bodies at the edge of the box ready to challenge for the second ball. I think this is another issue caused by De Gea's lack of command over his area; we essentially have to load the box to compensate for it and consequently can't get men out quick enough to pressure players outside of the box.
It hasn't usually been a major problem for us this season but yesterday it was really bad. Essentially allowed Arsenal to maintain long periods of pressure because we could not get it out of our half when we'd conceded a corner.
It hasn't usually been a major problem for us this season but yesterday it was really bad. Essentially allowed Arsenal to maintain long periods of pressure because we could not get it out of our half when we'd conceded a corner.
Simply not a top level keeper. The same issues he had when he was signed are the same issues he still has 10 years later. We need to take the tough decisions if we want to progress. One of the important tough decisions to be made is to let him go.
First Arsenal' goal started with his bad distribution under slightest pressure...
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Yeah i feel like his times up at the end of the season, he's been a fantastic servant but he's never going to change at this point.
i've never seen anything like that punch yesterday
i've never seen anything like that punch yesterday
4 clean sheets away from breaking Schmeichel’s CS record at United and 4 CS away from becoming 4th on PL's all-time clean sheet record table. Should achieve that soon and will obviously be our 1st goalkeeper until the end of the season. Then there's decision to make for coaching staff.
This is incredible. Under no pressure at all. A simple high ball directly into his arms. A chance to claim the ball and get a break from Arsenal's onslaught. And he decides to punch it... five yards away to a Arsenal attacker.
He’s going to get a new contract and survive another summer because yet again we have bigger issues than an average GK.
GK is our third biggest issue:
key ST> starting #8 > starting GK > Casemiro's cover > competitor for Dalot > competitor for Antony > Varane's cover
That's not bad distribution, that's exactly what everyone is asking him to do. AWB gets the ball with a reasonable amount of time. If he lays it inside to Varane instead of dallying on the ball, then we've played our way out of the pressure with some simple passing. People are asking for DDG to do exactly that, to have the courage to play the pass into slight but not too much pressure in order to allow us to build from the back. It's not his fault that AWB then loses possession and then to fast-forward the video for a ridiculous amount of time in order to prove that DDG was at fault for the first goal is just desperate.
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