So they threw coins at Pep ?!
Liverpool 2022/23
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Backs to the wall defending, playing route one to secure all 3 points. It’s not pretty but fair fecks to Liverpool.
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Interested to see who plays on the left tonight. My guess is Carvalho.
So you think Nunez or Firmino from the bench again?
I think it’s Salah Firminio Nunez. I’m backing Robertson as the man tonight as his form looks to be back to his best.
His form?
he raised his game in what appeared to be a cup final for Liverpool on Sunday. Other than that, he’s been terrible.
Pep will probably use them to buy another full back.
Or maybe inhalers worked well last Sunday.
When you actually analyze our league wins this season it's fairly grim reading:
- 9-0 against Bournemouth: Says more about them under Parker than it does about us.
- 2-1 against Newcastle: Incredibly fortunate last minute winner. Lucky to win.
- 1-0 against City: City goal ruled out due to VAR before we score. Lucky to win.
- 1-0 against West Ham: West Ham fail to convert a penalty and are the better team in the second half. Lucky to win.
Everything else has been either a draw or a loss. We still haven't won an away game this season in the league either. Awful really.
- 9-0 against Bournemouth: Says more about them under Parker than it does about us.
- 2-1 against Newcastle: Incredibly fortunate last minute winner. Lucky to win.
- 1-0 against City: City goal ruled out due to VAR before we score. Lucky to win.
- 1-0 against West Ham: West Ham fail to convert a penalty and are the better team in the second half. Lucky to win.
Everything else has been either a draw or a loss. We still haven't won an away game this season in the league either. Awful really.
I admit we have been below par but I don't agree with you about our wins above.
Bournemouth result was on course to break records, you should have seen the panic in the match thread on here.
Newcastle was a hard fought win against new oil money.
City goal was ruled out correctly for foul on Fabinho. Even if it bizarrely wasn't then the refs confirmed they were going to rule it out for the foul on Alisson straight after.
We should have finished West Ham even if they scored the penalty. We didn't score more, they didn't score at all. Correct result.
Aside from Bournemouth though have you had a game or win in the league where you've beaten teams in the way you did previously? I wouldn't say so. Rangers and Bournemouth feel like the only two games where you have this season. Compare that to City who are still doing what they've always done and the other teams around you stepping up and it is a significant drop in performance.
Yes agree with that. City had won the league many weeks ago, they're now cruising in second gear knowing they have no other PL manager that will challenge Pep.
For us it's all about the CL (we could be out of that in the next round if our injuries keep kicking us in the bollocks) and obviously finishing top four. No point busting a gut, and further hamstrings/calves, going for anything more this season.
I agree with Klopper here and think it’s quite obvious you’re not the same team currently.
The win against City was a good result but was actually quite interesting as it was the first time I’ve seen Klopp change the way he played in one of the big games. You essentially played them how we played you at Old Trafford this season. You went direct and on the counter with City dominating the ball over the 90 minutes. Infact I’ve never seen Liverpool have so little of the ball at home. I also noted the back line sat deeper and your pressing triggers seemed to be in your own half rather than further up the pitch.
Nothing wrong with this of course but you didn’t go toe to toe with City as you have in the past and I thought that was interesting and an acceptance from Klopp that you can’t.
Reports saying Diaz out for another 3 months after breaking down in training.
4 defeats in 8 away games.
This is it in a nutshell. It's why everyone we play can now walk through our midfield and get at our back four. It actually started showing last season with the amount of clear cut chances we were conceding.
Until we address this issue (which for me revolves around the midfield), we'll continue to struggle under Klopp. His style of football is heavily reliant on a midfield that can out-work the opposition and regain possession quickly. We're so vulnerable whenever there's a turnover now.
We need two midfielders and a CB in the next two windows imo.
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Until we address this issue (which for me revolves around the midfield), we'll continue to struggle under Klopp. His style of football is heavily reliant on a midfield that can out-work the opposition and regain possession quickly. We're so vulnerable whenever there's a turnover now.
We need two midfielders and a CB in the next two windows imo.
Interesting stats. I figured Klopp was moving away from that model with the signing of Thiago and opting for more control in the middle?
The failure of the Keita signing and drop off in Fabinho hasn’t helped at all. It feels as though you never replaced what Wijnaldum gave you when he left.
Id say two CMs and a CB would do wonders for you. That’s where the budget will be going especially with the big money spent on the forwards in the shape of Diaz, Nunez and Gakpo. The more I think about it though I’m not sure why you got Gakpo seeing as he’s primarily a LW and that’s where Diaz plays. Surely a Firminho central type player would have been a better use of the money?
I think the key question will be what will you have to spend and what happens with the takeover.
Cannot see you as spending 100 million on Bellingham and still having room for another CM and top CB…
Klopp teams always burn out by the 7th season don’t they? I’m sure I read this somewhere.
I can see him and Liverpool parting ways sooner rather than later. Something isn’t right at the club although this might be down to their owners. New owners would definitely look at keeping the Aul Gurner but I’m still not sold on his tactics, seems like a one-trick pony to me.
I can see him and Liverpool parting ways sooner rather than later. Something isn’t right at the club although this might be down to their owners. New owners would definitely look at keeping the Aul Gurner but I’m still not sold on his tactics, seems like a one-trick pony to me.
This season I believe they’re capable of beating anyone on their day but will feck it up next week by losing to someone they should be beating. I guarantee they’ll beat us and Arsenal at Anfield this season, but they’ll lose to a team like Soton a week later.
Bit like 2004-2006 United who were transitionary. I think we ended Arsenal’s 49 game unbeaten run one week then we got humbled by fecking Portsmouth the following week.
Bit like 2004-2006 United who were transitionary. I think we ended Arsenal’s 49 game unbeaten run one week then we got humbled by fecking Portsmouth the following week.
I think Thiago was brought in because he was different to all of the other midfielders we had. His passing is different level to everyone else. We definitely haven't placed Wijnaldum which is a huge issue.
I think Gakpo has been signed as part of the "evolution" of our front three. At the start of 2022 we had Firmino, Salah and Mane all coming towards the end of their contracts and getting older. Diaz, Nunez and Gakpo have all been signed as a way of moving towards refreshing that part of the pitch.
I don't see us getting Bellingham unless he's absolutely dead set on joining us. Madrid and City are sniffing around and until we know what the take over looks like, I don't think we'll be able to generate the funds. The spine of the team (midfield and CB) needs the biggest refresh though. We're fine at GK and full back, and we have plenty of attacking options now.
As I say I’m not sure how Diaz, Gakpo and Nunez fit as a three given two play the same position? I imagine Jota will play and so will Salah given he’s one of the highest paid players in the world?
Seems an odd signing to prioritise given the more immediate need in midfield. Looks like VVD could be out a while too.
I don’t think your recruitment has been anywhere near as savvy without Edwards. Arthur another baffling addition.
Depth possibly? I'm unsure why we keep signing LW's when the midfield has been a glaring issue all season.
I'd say VVD being out is only a blow in the sense it'll inevitably lead to injuries for other CB's, his performances this season should have probably seen him dropped.
I don't think anyone at the club knows what's happening the deeper you look the more of a mess it looks. There seems to be no cohesion between the coaching team and sports science team going on years. Two Sporting directors and numerous leading scouts/analysts don't depart if their input is valued and if they're being allowed to fulfil their job function. It feels like Klopp and Lijnders have taken the reigns and are all calling all the shots which is a large departure from the model that we used to gain success and compete against city within our parameters.
It's odd because Klopp has never had an issue working with DOF's previously. It's not even like the signings Klopp/Pep are making are all terrible players. Diaz Nunez and Gakpo. There just seems to be a horrible mismanagement of key areas. Signing Bellingham alleviates none of the present issues.
Ah, that again. 'Always' refers to his final Dortmund season, and in that season, they were tremendously unlucky and weren't as had as the results suggested. Either way, it's been up and down at Liverpool for the past three seasons, so it's not really just one sudden drop.
It's also an empty argument more generally. A drop-off doesn't happen because it's season 7, it's because of something specific - and the reason highlighted by @Klopper76 here is the result of squad make-up and could have happened in any season. (Although it's more likely to get worse now, as Klopp seems to have drawn too much decision-making power to himself, as @Liver_bird just mentioned.)
This is why you don't put the manager in charge of transfers. It's never been his job, how do you expect him to do it well all of a sudden?
I think the plan would be for Diaz to be moved wide right to replace Salah longer term. Gakpo is clearly better on the left from what I've seen from him. I think Salah will have that spot for a while if we continue to play 4-3-3. I'd prefer to see us try and change formations a bit but I'm not sure Klopp will do that.
We have four CB's to cover for Van Dijk (Matip, Konate, Gomez and Phillips) so it's not too bad if it's just him out for a few weeks. We've been poor defensively with him playing anyway.
I understand the logic of signing players like Diaz and Gakpo. Good age and our main front players are ageing. We also had to sign someone in the summer to replace Mane. Whether Nunez will turn out to be the answer remains to be seen.
It's more the Melo signing that is bizarre to me. We clearly wanted a midfielder because we were serious about Tchouameni, but after he went to Madrid we did nothing until the end of the window and loaned a nothing midfielder.
Losing intensity. If only there was something Liverpool players could take to help them regain their intensity.
VVD is out injured for 4-6 weeks according to RAWK.
Maybe a blessing for Pool? He’s shit these days.
Maybe a blessing for Pool? He’s shit these days.
Seen pool fans online calling for pep lijnders head. Apparently he is the assistant coach. Wonder what that’s all about.
Maybe they feel someone has to held responsible and Klopp is still above criticism?
Might be.
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Has there ever been such a capitulation of a team as this?
So close to a historic quadruple last season to this absolute mess of a club.
What’s happened?
So close to a historic quadruple last season to this absolute mess of a club.
What’s happened?
PED cycle ? This team fell off worse than the last United title winning squad. Anyway how is Gakpo ? Did we dodge a bullet there ? Saw pool fans saying he was useless so far.
Missing the oul inhalers just!
Defence - Joe Gomez is shite. Van Dijk on the decline. Milner as left back cover what a joke.
Solution: back a top centre half, buy fullback cover, sell Gomez, retire Milner.
Midfield - total shite (Thiago washed, Keita never good enough, Fabinho finished, Elliot a squad player and more of an attacker, Milner done, Henderson done, that kid Bajcetic that started today unproven).
Solution: buy 5 new midfielders. Good luck with that when they don't want to spend any money while trying to sell the club. Sell Keita, keep Thiago on bench as cover until his contract runs out in 2024.
Attack - Salah having an off season not helped that he's surrounded by dross, Gapko hasn't shown anything yet. Nunez was a complete waste of money.
Solution: get Diaz and Jota back asap.
Solution: back a top centre half, buy fullback cover, sell Gomez, retire Milner.
Midfield - total shite (Thiago washed, Keita never good enough, Fabinho finished, Elliot a squad player and more of an attacker, Milner done, Henderson done, that kid Bajcetic that started today unproven).
Solution: buy 5 new midfielders. Good luck with that when they don't want to spend any money while trying to sell the club. Sell Keita, keep Thiago on bench as cover until his contract runs out in 2024.
Attack - Salah having an off season not helped that he's surrounded by dross, Gapko hasn't shown anything yet. Nunez was a complete waste of money.
Solution: get Diaz and Jota back asap.
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Plenty of Liverpool wanted Fabinho to get the red card so that he’s banned for 3 matches. Sounds like he’s turned to complete shit.
Do you think them being up for sale has had an impact? They’re not really spending, with only gakpo coming in. I’m sure they will go all out in the summer with Bellingham and a couple others. Might see a fair few leave.