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Are you winding me up?

Ratcliffe and his fund can’t afford to play at this level, hence taking on enormous amounts of debt to try and make it work. That comes with cost, as we know all too well given the last near 20 years.

Qatar investors with the cash to pay outright are very obviously and clearly operating in a different way and have different motives.

This isn’t complicated. Trying to draw comparisons to what he does with Nice which cost around 1% of what United will likely cost is just absurd.
But if he’s all about profit then he would squeeze it from wherever he can. He doesn’t do this with his other sporting ventures so why would that be the case at United?
Also INEOS has more than enough wealth ‘to play at this level’ - the loans and bonds are just about liquidity.
 

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Imagine the Glazers accepting a debt-fueled bid in order to have the last laugh
Selling to a family of their mates who will take as much money out, without letting us spend anywhere near as much on transfers :lol:
 

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What nation has bid? I am reading private investors rather than a sovereign fund is rumoured to bid for Manutd.
You really think there are Qatari / Saudi / etc. billionaires without ties to the murderous regime? You're dreaming if you think so.
 

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You really think there are Qatari / Saudi / etc. billionaires without ties to the murderous regime? You're dreaming if you think so.
And you base this on what? Unless of course you think people in ME are incapable to run business privately
 

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Why?
He’s backed by Goldman Sachs who are just as bad.

Goldman Sachs does not jail people for being gay, nor does they jail girls for being raped. IIRC Goldman Sachs has never killed a journalist, but so has the Saudi regime done.

Btw, Goldman Sachs will not own the club. Ratcliffe and INEOS would be the owners.
 

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It is not just that. He is treated here as some great owner who will do wonders for club and shit. Based on what? Ok, i get why people don't want oil money. But what is the difference between some random American like Boehly, Glazers and Jim? Jim knows business better?
 

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But if he’s all about profit then he would squeeze it from wherever he can. He doesn’t do this with his other sporting ventures so why would that be the case at United?
Also INEOS has more than enough wealth ‘to play at this level’ - the loans and bonds are just about liquidity.
Ok cool. I’m done trying.
 

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I think what's swaying me towards Qatar is if they don't get us will they then go for Liverpool? The thought of ending up with another set of Glazer type owners while Oil money is pumped into Liverpool is not a nice thought especially now Newcastle are going to be competing due to it

However how do we trust we will avoid a City "sponsors" situation?

I just want to see us back challenging for trophies, ETH is a huge plus, but it's that squad depth we desperately need to be able to take the next step and I don't think we get it without oil money especially given how the market is becoming even more inflated.
 

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Goldman Sachs does not jail people for being gay, nor does they jail girls for being raped. IIRC Goldman Sachs has never killed a journalist, but so has the Saudi regime done.

Btw, Goldman Sachs will not own the club. Ratcliffe and INEOS would be the owners.
Neither does the private qatari citizens. How is this getting lost on people here that the bid is from private qatari individuals!
 

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And you base this on what? Unless of course you think people in ME are incapable to run business privately
Surely it’d be a common knowledge if there was an independent Qatari billionaire capable of spending 6-8 bn? Maybe it is and may be there is one but I haven’t seen any names mentioned yet.
 

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I think what's swaying me towards Qatar is if they don't get us will they then go for Liverpool? The thought of ending up with another set of Glazer type owners while Oil money is pumped into Liverpool is not a nice thought especially now Newcastle are going to be competing due to it

However how do we trust we will avoid a City "sponsors" situation?

I just want to see us back challenging for trophies, ETH is a huge plus, but it's that squad depth we desperately need to be able to take the next step and I don't think we get it without oil money especially given how the market is becoming even more inflated.
Because legit companies actually want to sponsor us. They don't need to create them for us. That's why City are City.
 

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What is with all this love to Jim? Because he is a fan so he is great?
It’s not love for Jim per-se, but it’s become very hard to have a reasoned and thoughful debate about the future of the club because everybody is losing their minds and twerking for Qatar mega bucks, and not considering the wider impact of each scenario, as if Qataris only English phrase is ‘please, have some more cash!’, all Americans are the devil incarnate only interested in striping the bones of the carcass left by the Glazers and Ratcliffe makes his money by selling drugs to kids and peddling deal fur coats he clubbed himself.
This thread is becoming/has become an echo chamber of the absurd and it’s really very unedifying and not befitting of our proud club.
 

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I think what's swaying me towards Qatar is if they don't get us will they then go for Liverpool? The thought of ending up with another set of Glazer type owners while Oil money is pumped into Liverpool is not a nice thought especially now Newcastle are going to be competing due to it

However how do we trust we will avoid a City "sponsors" situation?

I just want to see us back challenging for trophies, ETH is a huge plus, but it's that squad depth we desperately need to be able to take the next step and I don't think we get it without oil money especially given how the market is becoming even more inflated.
We generate enough money for us to properly invest in the squad, we don't need to fabricate any sponsorships for that. Any money for upgrades to stadium and other infrastructure is not part of FFP and can come straight from the owners pocket.
 

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It’s not love for Jim per-se, but it’s become very hard to have a reasoned and thoughful debate about the future of the club because everybody is losing their minds and twerking for Qatar mega bucks, and not considering the wider impact of each scenario, as if Qataris only English phrase is ‘please, have some more cash!’, all Americans are the devil incarnate only interested in striping the bones of the carcass left by the Glazers and Ratcliffe makes his money by selling drugs to kids and peddling deal fur coats he clubbed himself.
This thread is becoming/has become an echo chamber of the absurd and it’s really very unedifying and not befitting of our proud club.
Not all Americans, but so far it looks like most will be backed by Investment Banks and see the club as an investment where they want to see a return. Glazers did that before and the club is in deep shit. So unless there is an American who‘s a fan and only wants to invest, I rather go East
 

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Goldman Sachs does not jail people for being gay, nor does they jail girls for being raped. IIRC Goldman Sachs has never killed a journalist, but so has the Saudi regime done.

Btw, Goldman Sachs will not own the club. Ratcliffe and INEOS would be the owners.
As far as I know, no Qatari business people have been accused of killing anyone. You do know it’s private businessmen in Qatar that are bidding right?

Not all people form the ME are bad, even if you like to tell people they are.
 

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It’s not love for Jim per-se, but it’s become very hard to have a reasoned and thoughful debate about the future of the club because everybody is losing their minds and twerking for Qatar mega bucks, and not considering the wider impact of each scenario, as if Qataris only English phrase is ‘please, have some more cash!’, all Americans are the devil incarnate only interested in striping the bones of the carcass left by the Glazers and Ratcliffe makes his money by selling drugs to kids and peddling deal fur coats he clubbed himself.
This thread is becoming/has become an echo chamber of the absurd and it’s really very unedifying and not befitting of our proud club.
You’re barking up the wrong tree entirely here.

I absolutely do not want Middle Eastern state owners (I’m also not buying the idea that the Qatar buyers are independent). I don’t think there’s any good options out there and I’m most likely not going to be happy with any of the new owners.

But the idea that INEOS will take on £800m of debt to buy the club and will never take any money out to service that debt is laughable and I don’t give a toss what any article says to the contrary.
 

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Are you winding me up?

Ratcliffe and his fund can’t afford to play at this level, hence taking on enormous amounts of debt to try and make it work. That comes with cost, as we know all too well given the last near 20 years.

Qatar investors with the cash to pay outright are very obviously and clearly operating in a different way and have different motives.

This isn’t complicated. Trying to draw comparisons to what he does with Nice which cost around 1% of what United will likely cost is just absurd.
I feel the same way, I would rather it be somebody like Ratcliffe, but United under his ownership would not be able to compete financially with City and Newcastle . He probably can come up with the asking price, but won't be able to invest as much money again to fix the damage to the infrastructure that almost 2 decades of neglect by the Glazers have caused. United need a new stadium, new training facilities, the youth set up needs improving and the land around the stadium needs to be developed like it has around City's ground.

To get United back to the top of the tree where it was pre Glazers , it will take a lot more money than Ratcliffe has. The Qataris or the Saudis have the money to burn and can drop 10 or 12 billion without even missing it.
 

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Because legit companies actually want to sponsor us. They don't need to create them for us. That's why City are City.
We generate enough money for us to properly invest in the squad, we don't need to fabricate any sponsorships for that. Any money for upgrades to stadium and other infrastructure is not part of FFP and can come straight from the owners pocket.
Thank you, thats informative, so basically we are a proper popular club ;)

How would we stand with FFP in the summer if we have a new owner? Could we have a proper spending spree or would it be really restricted as if we hadn't changed? During the transfer window I kept seeing people say we will have to be careful in the summer?
 

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Probably a really stupid question, but there's no way Sir Jim could be part owner or a shareholder with the Quatris as majority owners is there?

Like I say probably a really stupid question!
 

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Neither does the private qatari citizens. How is this getting lost on people here that the bid is from private qatari individuals!
There has been rumours of Qatari individuals making a bid yes. But also a lot of rumours of members of the Royal family including the Emir of Qatar himself. And of consortiums backed by the QIA. I think this understandably has people confused.

So if a bid from Qatar materialises you couldn't say for sure they will definitely be individuals with no links to the Qatari government.
 

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Bit confused by the Ratcliffe securing funding thing, is it just for the debt that will be left behind by the Glazers, or the money needed to buy the club?
 

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As far as I know, no Qatari business people have been accused of killing anyone. You do know it’s private businessmen in Qatar that are bidding right?

Not all people form the ME are bad, even if you like to tell people they are.
And what is their names?

Or do you not actually know who it is that is rumoured to be preparing a bid?
 
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