Kinda funny seeing a load of Scousers celebrating that FSG didn't sell because nobody wanted them
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To be honest. Im happy with a buyer who can.
1. Clear the debt and add zero debt to the club
2. Reinvests all profits into the club
3. Has some funds for infrastructure development.
Funds for players is not a must for me. The club can fund itself if it were debt free.
Well I don't know why a fan would prefer a debt ridden buy over that.
This is not possible. We need to show our inflow to match it. And if we are already have silly money flowing in, it makes sense to spend it well.
Again not a bad thing. The club needs heavy investment. Glazers have not invested enough and taken out loads of money. It is a bit ridiculous to wish for same kind of owners.
I don't think you read my post at all did you?
"The problem with state ownership isn't that if it's proven legally then we're in trouble, the problem is it's ethically abhorrent and no amount of mental gymnastics changes the reality that ultimately Man Utd will be answerable and controlled by the state of Qatar if this takeover goes through."
I don't care about whether "we get into trouble". In fact if we're bought by Qatar I hope we're banned from Europe and they're forced to sell. I'd rather we not avoid punishment just because of access to unlimited wealth. No legal loophole is going to make us not state owned and alter my objection to it.
Ah! How ignorant I am! Thanks mate.
Its a £5 billion sale.
There will be no buyer who is ethically any good. Not ineos, definitely not qatar, and absollutely not anyone backed by a us hedge fund.
Once you accept the owners are going to be terrible people, its easier to just think about what is best for the club.
There will be no buyer who is ethically any good. Not ineos, definitely not qatar, and absollutely not anyone backed by a us hedge fund.
Once you accept the owners are going to be terrible people, its easier to just think about what is best for the club.
Indeed. We have the revenue to be fine if we had no debt anymore - like we used to do
Your very first reply to me today was " Qatar state isn't buying United though is it... "
Which is a hell of a claim from someone who says they don't know the source of the money.
There is likely no way for anyone to ever prove it, the same way the Premier League accept that City and Newcastle aren't state owned. But I think we all know where the money is coming from and who will ultimately own United.
obviously not sorry.Not sure how many more times it needs explaining but 'unlimited funds' for players is non argument. Every penny towards signings has to be club generated so I doubt we'd really be doing anything we don't already do in the market.
So a lot of people are hoping for Qataris even though the huge Man City / PSG spending sprees of the past are no longer really a thing.
Chelsea have also exploited the final loop hole which is shutting this summer so again no use to us.
Oh, that must hurt.
I do believe we’d be state owned but I haven’t seen any proof or examples that billionaires over there aren’t allowed to branch out and take on projects of their own. Links could be as simple as Qatar being fecking tiny.
There’s a difference in having a private consortium type asking permission and having the royal family actually own us outright.
Saying that I can’t see how anybody can provide proof, the FBI aren’t on here.
Its a factual statement. The state is not buying the club.
Now is the private buyer being backed with state funds thats a separate question which I don’t have an answer to.
Its an important distinction also because they mean difference things in terms of the control and decision making on club matters.
Theres no point continually making the same point and me continually giving you the same answer.
Exactly what I said over the weekend.
We need help with the debt and new infrastructure.
The club itself can compete with anyone in the market without anything else.
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Holy shit shots fired
Who is that guy and ist this fake or legit?And if you need any further clarifications Miguel, please visit the nearest Qatari embassy
Where's that skeleton waiting at the bench meme when you need it.Kinda funny seeing a load of Scousers celebrating that FSG didn't sell because nobody wanted them
Looks like they’re walking alone … I’ll see myself out
Oooh, going after journos before the first round of bidding is even complete.
Spicy!
Spicy!
The thing is that the controlling power loves to push the perception and the recognition that they and their controlled states are equal and interchangeable in concept, fact, destination, and law. I would say people thinking that way (they are equal to the state) has their mind and view kidnapped by that nonsense.
Except it's an entirely spurious point on anything but an abstract legal stance, a state agent using state funds to buy an asset is state ownership. He is in no way a private buyer. The state doesn't give away £5bn without expecting control of the asset.
Being bought by a member of the royal family who was given £5bn by the sovereign wealth fund with no expectation that he ever pay it back or pay interest on it is in no tangible way different to being bought directly by the state unless you happen to be arguing it to a UEFA panel on ownership rules. Which is what this is.
And lets be clear, the comment you were replying to of mine was directly challenging someone on the ethical problems of being owned by the state, not the technical ones.
FFS man
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Not one applicable to business law though
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Thats a fair point.
Not one applicable to business law though
I doubt that will happen. And even more debt will break our neck at one point. Cash flow is down badly
I’d hardly class Delaney as a “journalist” tbf.
Use your words
Look, it's not threatening and let's be fair. That Qatari guy is a journalist if I'm not mistaken. He might be talking out of his backside.
Arab people like their bluster and of course they'll respond. They are bullish because they have Europe by the balls since Russia has left the equation as a viable gas supplier.
People might not like it but we're no longer in a Western-dominated world, it's more multi-polar. If you hate it so much, make sure you vote for the right party in the next election but I doubt most people care.
I'm not sure what you'd class him as makes a tangible difference if I'm honest. If anything being threatened by an authority heightens his credibility.
Yup.
That @Qatari guy does seem to be a bit of a bellend. He also seems like a total chancer too.
Unless I am confused with someone else, I thought he was a known bulls***ter. He loves to make things spicy on twitter all the time.
I think there are two major contributing factors in terms of the ‘support’ for Qatar.
1.People are excited about the potential of what it means for the club
2. People are very pleased to see the back of the Glazers.
That’s personally what it comes down to for me.
I’ve come out and laughed and scored both City and PSG in the past, also Qatar before the World Cup so as others have repeatedly pointed out that makes me a massive hypocrite. That’s fine. I said what I said at the time and I said by that I think the way I personally view it is that I don’t actually support Qatar, nor am I celebrating or cheering for them.
I think based on what we know right now they have presented the best offer in therms of the future of the club and I look at it as objectively as I can without getting into the political aspects.
I don’t believe the beliefs that Qatar or their culture hold will have much of an impact on the club judging from how they have operated at PSG. There have been much, much worse owners of football clubs in terms of morality.
1.People are excited about the potential of what it means for the club
2. People are very pleased to see the back of the Glazers.
That’s personally what it comes down to for me.
I’ve come out and laughed and scored both City and PSG in the past, also Qatar before the World Cup so as others have repeatedly pointed out that makes me a massive hypocrite. That’s fine. I said what I said at the time and I said by that I think the way I personally view it is that I don’t actually support Qatar, nor am I celebrating or cheering for them.
I think based on what we know right now they have presented the best offer in therms of the future of the club and I look at it as objectively as I can without getting into the political aspects.
I don’t believe the beliefs that Qatar or their culture hold will have much of an impact on the club judging from how they have operated at PSG. There have been much, much worse owners of football clubs in terms of morality.
Right party in next election? And how exactly will they help stop a multi polar world from forming? The UK isn’t going to influence this much.
Also why would anyone who supposedly cared about human rights not want to live in a multi polar world? Id argue thats a huge contradiction.
I don't think we have the deepest knowledge of his wealth. Judging by what some sites have provided may be totally wrong. It's early days yet so we need to keep it cool at the moment instead of trying to jump the gun.
I feel like sometimes he lets his twitter handle go to his headWe
Delaney is a hack
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