SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[WI_Red]

Agreed on people’s behaviour around normal cold and flu. I don’t know why they think it’s acceptable to share those bugs knowing what we all know now about immunocompromised individuals.

Yeah, I thought the one and only positive to come out of this would be a bit more common sense around how to behave when you've caught an URTI. So it's been quite annoying how often I hear people thinking a negative covid test means all bets are off. And don't even get me started on parents sending their kids in to school with the puke from a winter vomiting bug barely dry on their lips.

People are assholes, have always been assholes, and will continue to grow in their assholeness. What made anyone think a global pandemic that killed millions would change that? If anything I think people have gotten worse. I've seen more angry/selfish behavior in the last 12 months then I can remember in the decade before. It's always been there, but the need to mask it died along with those millions of people.

 

[djembatheking]

There are a lot of people that soldier on with colds and the flu cos they are self employed or on zero hour contracts and get feck all if they don`t go to work. They still have to heat their homes, feed their kids and pay their mortgages and believe me they would love to be able to take time off work when they had a cold. It is the lack of proper sick pay for people that is the problem and support for those that really need it.

 

[golden_blunder]

They haven't been doing that in Ireland for months now.

They have a covid ward in Connolly hospital and you do get swabbed in A&E. I was in a few weeks ago

 

[Pogue Mahone]

They have a covid ward in Connolly hospital and you do get swabbed in A&E. I was in a few weeks ago

That’s gas. Talking to friends who work in the teaching hospitals and covid is a non issue now. And has been for ages.

 

[golden_blunder]

That’s gas. Talking to friends who work in the teaching hospitals and covid is a non issue now. And has been for ages.

Seems to be some disconnect. I think Connolly are still taking it seriously from the point of view they don’t want it spreading round the wards to people who are already vulnerable

 

[golden_blunder]

Thought the guy who was swabbing me in A&E was going to come out the other side of my head btw.

either that or lobotomy by swabbing

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Thought the guy who was swabbing me in A&E was going to come out the other side of my head btw.

either that or lobotomy by swabbing

Probably just keeping up protocols nobody wants to take responsibility for stopping. It really makes no sense. Not unless you’re also swapping for influenza. Doesn’t do any harm though, I guess.

 

[Balljy]

Probably just keeping up protocols nobody wants to take responsibility for stopping. It really makes no sense. Not unless you’re also swapping for influenza. Doesn’t do any harm though, I guess.

For suspected influenza cases in the UK it's suggested they are tested & isolated in hospital. If they're not it's probably a capacity issue rather than treating flu differently.

 

[Cloud7]

See above. If you're really desperate to know whether or not SARS-CoV-2 is behind your sniffles then knock yourself out. Once you've already had it at least once I don't really understand the curiosity but whatever. The main thing is how you behave if you get a negative test. Because the really annoying thing about all of this is hearing about people feeling sick, getting a negative covid test and then going into work/sending their kids to school "it's ok, the covid test was negative" That's been a factor in the crazy amount of non-covid viruses sweeping through society this winter.

I can only speak for where I am now, but if someone has Covid, regardless of how symptomatic they actually are, their work/school would tell them to stay home, whereas with the flu the expectation is that unless you're really sick that you still have to come to work. Most workplaces generally don't give much leeway in terms of staying home if you have the cold. I'm not saying that's correct but it is what it is.

 

[calodo2003]

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[Wibble]

The fact that people are still testing themselves for covid really bugs me. Why? What's the point? If you test negative does that mean it's ok to go out and about and possibly pass influenza on to vulnerable people? Because, if anything, influenza is more dangerous than covid right now. So doing a covid test will tell you nothing useful. Please stop.

At my work if you have covid you don't need a doctors note if you are off for 3 days or more so you have to test yourself if you suspect that you have it. And GPs don't want people with covid to attend in person further encouraging testing.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

At my work if you have covid you don't need a doctors note if you are off for 3 days or more so you have to test yourself if you suspect that you have it. And GPs don't want people with covid to attend in person further encouraging testing.

I’m sure they ideally don’t want anyone with influenza attending in person either. But that’s more likely if a negative covid test gives you the all clear.

Not to mention that someone could have a positive covid test and a more serious illness (say, bacterial pneumonia) that does merit attendance in person.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I can only speak for where I am now, but if someone has Covid, regardless of how symptomatic they actually are, their work/school would tell them to stay home, whereas with the flu the expectation is that unless you're really sick that you still have to come to work. Most workplaces generally don't give much leeway in terms of staying home if you have the cold. I'm not saying that's correct but it is what it is.

Yeah, that seems to be widespread. Makes no sense to me but, like you say, it is what it is. Hopefully they all wise up soon.

 

[Wibble]

I’m sure they ideally don’t want anyone with influenza attending in person either. But that’s more likely if a negative covid test gives you the all clear.

Not to mention that someone could have a positive covid test and a more serious illness (say, bacterial pneumonia) that does merit attendance in person.

The current advice here is not to.attend a GP's office unless specifically asked to by your GP. There are also signs up saying not to come in if you have covid like symptoms (which would cover flu symptoms as well) and to go away and phone them.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The current advice here is not to.attend a GP's office unless specifically asked to by your GP. There are also signs up saying not to come in if you have covid like symptoms (which would cover flu symptoms as well) and to go away and phone them.

See that’s sensible. If you have symptoms, stay home, unless absolutely necessary to come in. Whether or not you test positive for covid. So no need to test.

 

[Wibble]

why would anyone be doing a covid test if they don’t have any symptoms?

Without symptoms? Only if your partner has covid and you didn't want to have it without knowing and spread it to others perhaps? But as a general precaution it would seem a bit OTT now.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Without symptoms? Only if your partner has covid and you didn't want to have it without knowing and spread it to others perhaps? But as a general precaution it would seem a bit OTT now.

So that’s my point. If you have symptoms behave as if positive. If you don’t have symptoms then you don’t need to test. Either way, the test adds nothing. Other than a false sense of security if negative.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

The fact that people are still testing themselves for covid really bugs me. Why? What's the point? If you test negative does that mean it's ok to go out and about and possibly pass influenza on to vulnerable people? Because, if anything, influenza is more dangerous than covid right now. So doing a covid test will tell you nothing useful. Please stop.

I thought the newer tests were double tests, for both Covid and flu.

 

[golden_blunder]

My wife and I are both down with a nasty flu/covid. Haven’t felt this bad in ages

 

[Forevergiggs1]

Time really does lull us into a false sense of security.

I haven't taken the flu jab in about 10 years. Basically because every single time I did take it before I felt terrible for about a week-10 days afterwards. In those following 10 years , since stopping the jabs i haven't had as much as the sniffles. Well nothing to keep me from my everyday life anyways.

Now I'm at a crossroads. I've taken the first 3 covid jabs. Mainly for travel reasons more than anything else if I'm being honest. I kept telling myself I'll take the 4th jab which I've had the option of taking for about 6 months now but as time goes on the less inclined I am to take it. I've never had covid which is probably (wrongly?) Influencing my decision. In another year I'll probably be as adamant in not taking the covid jab as I am with the flu jab providing there's no surprises along the way.

 

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Did they take the poll in Wetherspoons?

 

[calodo2003]

Did they take the poll in Wetherspoons?

Diners in flyover states.

 

[RedDevilQuebecois]

Gosh, she's not lucky at all.

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One round was already bad enough for me, but four? Come on.

 

[Wibble]

Time really does lull us into a false sense of security.

I haven't taken the flu jab in about 10 years. Basically because every single time I did take it before I felt terrible for about a week-10 days afterwards. In those following 10 years , since stopping the jabs i haven't had as much as the sniffles. Well nothing to keep me from my everyday life anyways.

Now I'm at a crossroads. I've taken the first 3 covid jabs. Mainly for travel reasons more than anything else if I'm being honest. I kept telling myself I'll take the 4th jab which I've had the option of taking for about 6 months now but as time goes on the less inclined I am to take it. I've never had covid which is probably (wrongly?) Influencing my decision. In another year I'll probably be as adamant in not taking the covid jab as I am with the flu jab providing there's no surprises along the way.

I have had my annual flu jab every years since I got increbibly sick with H1N1 flu in 2009. Nothing since but I also don't react badly to the flu jab. That said not getting flu is no reason not to get vaccinated. I'd never had (or been very sick with) flu for 45 tears until I did very badly and ony wasn't hospitalised because I refused (I was self employed and would have gone broke if I'd had to stop work).

I've had 4 covid jabs and then finally got covid in Nov 22. I was far from well and was exhausted for 3+ weeks, but I didn't get the worst symptoms thankfully. I'll be getting my 5th (now tweaked for Omicron) at the end April when I can - 6 months after last jab or infection.

 

[Wibble]

My wife and I are both down with a nasty flu/covid. Haven’t felt this bad in ages

Hope you both feel better soon GB.

 

[Loon]

Had my second round after four jabs this week. Worse than the first time and I still have no sense of smell or taste (although I’ve been accused of the latter for years…)

 

[Wibble]

More evidence of a natural origin.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science...ch-raccoon-dogs-wuhan-market-lab-leak/673390/

 

[RobinLFC]

The fact that people are still testing themselves for covid really bugs me. Why? What's the point? If you test negative does that mean it's ok to go out and about and possibly pass influenza on to vulnerable people? Because, if anything, influenza is more dangerous than covid right now. So doing a covid test will tell you nothing useful. Please stop.

You need a doctor's notice in Belgium if you're sick for more than one day. Which makes no sense, because e.g. when I was quiet sick two weeks ago, I knew it was nothing special and just had to sit it out at home, but I still had to go in and get my notice because I didn't work for three days in a row. Tested myself first (negative) because if I'd have been Covid-positive, I needed to go to an official test center or a pharmacist to register an official Covid positive test since you're (obviously) not allowed at a doctor's practice if you're positive.

I still think I'd like to know each time whether it's Covid or not, since I read that studies have proven that the more you get it, the worse it is for your body and organs, no? Or can the regular flu do the same amount of damage?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

You need a doctor's notice in Belgium if you're sick for more than one day. Which makes no sense, because e.g. when I was quiet sick two weeks ago, I knew it was nothing special and just had to sit it out at home, but I still had to go in and get my notice because I didn't work for three days in a row. Tested myself first (negative) because if I'd have been Covid-positive, I needed to go to an official test center or a pharmacist to register an official Covid positive test since you're (obviously) not allowed at a doctor's practice if you're positive.

I still think I'd like to know each time whether it's Covid or not, since I read that studies have proven that the more you get it, the worse it is for your body and organs, no? Or can the regular flu do the same amount of damage?

Absolutely no evidence of that being true. And unlikely there ever will be because coronaviruses have been round for a very long time, so if that was a risk we’d have known about it by now.

 

[Tincanalley]

Questions. Is Venice water still running clear with dolphins frolicking among the barges? Or is the clear water just toilet bleach, more concentrated? Does Coronavirus make you more intelligent? Will we ever run out of toilet roll? How come MOTD survived Covid 19 and not Gary's wildly radical leftist Tweets insulting the great and the good of the righteous Tory party?

 

[Wibble]

I read that studies have proven that the more you get it, the worse it is for your body and organs, no?

No. I don't think there is any evidence that organ damage escalates with each infection. A new infection can make you feel more or less sick, just as it can with things like the flu. Each immunisation an/or infection will on average do the opposite of what you suggest. Obviously new sub-variants can evade our immune response to some degree, just like happens with the flu

 

[calodo2003]

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[711]

See that’s sensible. If you have symptoms, stay home, unless absolutely necessary to come in. Whether or not you test positive for covid. So no need to test.

I've been in sustained contact with two unconnected people this week who both have covid, they are ill and positive. I fee fine, but before going to meet a group, one of whom I know to be vulnerable, I tested. Just in case I had it but was asymptomatic. I understand asymptomatic people might be less likely to pass covid on, but are still able to, so it seemed the decent thing to do.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

Absolutely no evidence of that being true. And unlikely there ever will be because coronaviruses have been round for a very long time, so if that was a risk we’d have known about it by now.

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Saw this today.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

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Saw this today.

Alarmist nonsense. For someone that prides himself on having a keen nose for bullshit I’d have thought you’d notice the obvious conflict of interest yer man has when it comes to spreading scary fiction about covid associated cognitive decline.

 

[Wumminator]

Alarmist nonsense. For someone that prides himself on having a keen nose for bullshit I’d have thought you’d notice the obvious conflict of interest yer man has when it comes to spreading scary fiction about covid associated cognitive decline.

Genuinely flabbergasted at you ignoring the mountains of evidence that clearly show there has been a massive cognitive decline.

 

[Pexbo]

Genuinely flabbergasted at you ignoring the mountains of evidence that clearly show there has been a massive cognitive decline.

You really need to stop having a go at our fan base.

 

[Wumminator]

You really need to stop having a go at our fan base.

I was hoping Pogue would ask what evidence and I was going to link to the takeover thread.

Can you post some laughing smilies to me in response please,

 

[Pexbo]

I was hoping Pogue would ask what evidence and I was going to link to the takeover thread.

Can you post some laughing smilies to me in response please,

No I’m just going to chuckle to myself that I spoiled your setup

 

[berbatrick]

https://apnews.com/article/zero-cov...nvestigation-05e1bf6d14e3b77ade26b719093ac43b

Rare to get such detailed reporting about china's decision making