Ya know, this shit storm that Wumminator has kicked up might actually be more annoying than Di Maria vibes, and that’s saying something!
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There's a poster called @SuperiorXI. Make of that what you will.
Why are they trying to drag ETH into this?
They are probably royalists who are against Sarah still living at Royal lodgeprobably these two bellends
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How do you know?
I bet he met the Qatari delegation too. But somehow he was asked this skewed question.
Did SJR leave OT on his own when he left Old Trafford?
Has anyone seen him go to Carrington?
Has anyone seen him go to Carrington?
He met ETH so he must have gone there.
Relative to pre oil money they’ve done alright. They started from zero and went to 10, we would be starting from 9 so we’d go further.Yes, because for all the money City and PSG have spent they have cabinets full of CL trophies don’t they?!
Obviously also a billion later Utd have been super successful in the last 10 years haven’t we?!
Maybe it is rocket science after all…..
We aren’t the norm are we? We are clearly the exception hence the protests.
I’m not the biggest oil money fan even disregarding the political side of things as it does turn the club into a bit of a circus but let’s be honest trophies won’t be the problem.
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I wonder why Jassim's team stayed longer at Old Trafford, than SJR and team? Wonder if there were changes on presentations, etc.
Ahh, CL is the only available trophy right?Yes, because for all the money City and PSG have spent they have cabinets full of CL trophies don’t they?!
Obviously also a billion later Utd have been super successful in the last 10 years haven’t we?!
Maybe it is rocket science after all…..
Please go check both City and PSG success domestically pre money.
Go check how often City & PSG got to latter parts of CL pre money.
Apparently Jassim's team was there for 10 hours, which must mean they had a good look at everything United.
You need to carry out due diligence before spending £4bn. I hope that the talks were good.
Not being funny but if you were about to spend 5bn on a football club you'd make a visit in person to the club given all the media attention this week. It's a 7hr flight ffs and of course it would be First class too.
It's almost like Sheikh Jassim is just a puppet in this game and a front man for the real Qatari wealth that is actually behind this bid. This is what isn't sitting well with me. It's clearly not his money. Why not be actually honest about it?
It's almost like Sheikh Jassim is just a puppet in this game and a front man for the real Qatari wealth that is actually behind this bid. This is what isn't sitting well with me. It's clearly not his money. Why not be actually honest about it?
Make a second bid means "agreed" to you? Let's just go with your original explanation that it was just your opinion.
Yes, they will have to borrow money. Nobody knows the details of how either will be financed, so I can't speak on the interest rate (which was the point of my original point).
I'll restate it so we don't go down an unrelated rabbit hole - The vehemently pro-Qatar/anti-INEOS narrative is just plain weird to me, and I believe most of stems from the perception of Qatar having more transfer funds available (ie. I don't believe for one second it's mainly about the infrastructure). For some reason, I don't think many want to admit it and it's fine but just my opinion based on what I'm reading.
This is a good point, however, his reasoning could be he doesn't want to make it about himself. Still tend to agree with your suggestion.
Actually it would be 17 hrs (7 hrs flight + 10 hrs meeting). Unless he sleeps in Manchester which will avoid a gruesome schedule at the expense of spending 2 days in Manchester
These meetings are very financial data heavy. Thus you need the specialists and the experts attending rather then prospective buyers and some cyclist guy.
However yes Jassim had committed a pr mistake by not attending
There is literally someone on this page suggesting he's showing up for clicks. Can't make this stuff up.
Yeah, let's go with my opinion. 10 days was just pure luck.
And your last paragraph, what are you trying to say? Just say it.
I've said this a few times too. People should be a lot more worried about the lack of transparency of the bid. It might be that it's hiding the obvious scenario that it's the state's, but it could also be a number of other things. Could be his dad's money, could even be that he's being financed by the royal family but it's still his risk. All the options have different implications, and yet we can't properly evaluate any of it because of the lack of transparency of the bid.
That's understandable but you take them with you surely? Also he isn't he chair of a bank. He should be fairly good with numbers.
I don't think this Sheikh Jassim is anything other than a pawn in a much larger game though. Always thought that. A quick Google search tells you he had a wealth of an estimated 1.6bn which is nowhere near enough to buy the club. Ratcliffe is actually richer.
The Qatar state or the Royals (some would argue that's not much different) is the real bidder here. Everyone bleeding well knows it is too. They have chosen this guy clearly as he speaks fantastic English after being educated in England and is a big Utd fan. It's the perfect frontman.
They’ve still failed on their stated aim to date.
They are also not a given which is my point. All the money in the world can buy success if it’s not well spent.
Meetings are not usually data heavy. They have the financials (those are public), they've had access to the data room already. If their finance worker bees have been exchanging questions/notes about depreciation schedules and arguing about WACC, that can have been done for weeks before these meetings.
Also experts in finance, such as the man who chairs a bank and sat on the board of another?
Seems like he'd also be the right guy to exist outside of just 2 headshots.
At this stage owners tend to send specialised people.
A- they are the experts
B- owners have giant egos and hate losing face. Thus sellers might use this as an excuse to increase the price
C- a 17 hrs (10 hrs meeting + 7 hrs flight) is gruesome
However that apply to the average business (ex Hotel or factory). United is very community based. So yes jassim made a pr mistake on this
Precisely.Meetings are not usually data heavy. They have the financials (those are public), they've had access to the data room already. If their finance worker bees have been exchanging questions/notes about depreciation schedules and arguing about WACC, that can have been done for weeks before these meetings.
Also experts in finance, such as the man who chairs a bank and sat on the board of another?
He's a stooge and isn't the actual wealth behind this bid. Admittedly he's still incredibly wealthy in his own right but nowhere near enough to buy us.
Within weeks of the Qataris taking over our stadium will be plastered with visitqatar.com. it's an absolute guarantee. If this is a private bid then there's no reason for them to plaster Qatar airways and visitqatar etc all across our brand is there? So we shall see for ourselves pretty soon.
I do think they will win though. Can't see Jim being able to offer what they can.
He is the chair of a bank in Qatar and sits on the board of one more. He's clearly a bit of an expert himself and he's obviously incredibly wealthy. Just not as wealthy as Jim as it happens but I don't think that matters as he's getting his money from somewhere else.
Qatar will win though. Can't imagine Jim will be able to offer what they will be willing to go up to. I just don't like the lies and cloak and daggers stuff.
The reason given by Kaveh for him not coming is it was too early in the process and it would be felt he was doing so for PR.
The information given at phase 2 is quite detailed and 'new' to both owners. It should allow them to formulate the second bid which in all probability will be the make or break one. You'll need the specialised men there ie people who are used to bid for big businesses.Meetings are not usually data heavy. They have the financials (those are public), they've had access to the data room already. If their finance worker bees have been exchanging questions/notes about depreciation schedules and arguing about WACC, that can have been done for weeks before these meetings.
Also experts in finance, such as the man who chairs a bank and sat on the board of another?
Businesses vary greatly from another but I worked in Businesses were chairmen were little more then figure heads
I've already said it twice. For the third time: I believe the over-the-top pro-Qatar rhetoric has more to do with the belief in having more transfer funds than anything else mentioned.Yeah, let's go with my opinion. 10 days was just pure luck.
And your last paragraph, what are you trying to say? Just say it.
I Don't know how the bank of qatar work and how jassim ended up as chairman. Maybe his surname had played a part in it. Irrespective of that you need highly specialised people who can data crunch at record time and pick every detail. Maybe jassim is not experienced on this matter
However while I understand why he wasn't there it does contribute to bad optics. United is not a normal acquisition
You completely made this up, didn't you?
someone worth billions does not follow what you would consider social norms.You lot are incredible all this thread shows is how desperate people use data of any kind which conforms to their bias.
No. That's what many journalists and YouTube channels say. I took this acquisition quite seriously. In my opinion its the single biggest decision united had taken since saf was signedYou completely made this up, didn't you?
Folks like this don't travel first class, they fly in a private jet - and no it isn't the same thing
Which journalists and Youtube channels said the meeting would be data-heavy? Genuinely curious.
Oh I have no doubts his last name counts for everything in that. That's no different to other countries though tbf. If you have the right surname you can go far in most places.
I think Qatar know they have it in the bag as well.
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