Club Sale | It’s done!

Status
Not open for further replies.

Tiber

Full Member
Joined
Apr 22, 2014
Messages
10,296
Ratcliffe is 70. Id genuinely like to know what the plan is in a few years when he doesn't want to/isn't fit to spend 7 days per week running billion pound businesses. Does he have adult children who are set to take over Ineos etc or is United sold to whichever Chemicals company buys ineos?

Its important, but the Glazers will just sell to whoever gives them the most money right now
 

Stinkypete

Full Member
Joined
Jun 2, 2022
Messages
158
Dont think anyone said he is bluffing. Mostly its
1. His bid is financially worse in actual bid value
2. His bid is financially worse in long term United point of view.
3. He made last minute Chelsea bid so all “Put Manchester back in Manchester United” is nonsense MAGA stuff.

SJR is decent alternative to Qatar and light years ahead of Glazers. But financially its worse deal than Qatar.

Will let morality debate for real and most important fans.
On your 1st point, I thought the value of the Ratcliffe bid was actually higher than the Quatar bid because he didn't intend to purchase 100% of the club at the price he was paying whilst the Quatar bid did.
 

Gavinb33

Full Member
Joined
Apr 6, 2014
Messages
2,854
Location
Watching the TV or is it watching me
On your 1st point, I thought the value of the Ratcliffe bid was actually higher than the Quatar bid because he didn't intend to purchase 100% of the club at the price he was paying whilst the Quatar bid did.
Qatar can only buy the Glazers shares in this transaction 31% of the club is on the open market and they would have to buy those separately
 

JagUTD

Full Member
Joined
Sep 20, 2022
Messages
3,223
Qatar can only buy the Glazers shares in this transaction 31% of the club is on the open market and they would have to buy those separately
Well, based on their PR campaign it suggests they don't actually know what they are doing because all of their media stuff claims they want to buy 100% of the club for a little more than Ratcliffe wants to buy what's actually for sale.
 

MTF

Full Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2009
Messages
5,243
Location
New York City
Ratcliffe is 70. Id genuinely like to know what the plan is in a few years when he doesn't want to/isn't fit to spend 7 days per week running billion pound businesses. Does he have adult children who are set to take over Ineos etc or is United sold to whichever Chemicals company buys ineos?

Its important, but the Glazers will just sell to whoever gives them the most money right now
It's a good question. There's his partners at INEOS, John and Andy, although they're also getting up there in age. He has 2 sons who are in their mid-to-late 30s or early 40s by the look of it. Not 100% clear what they do, seem to keep a low profile.
 

stevoc

Full Member
Joined
Jun 11, 2011
Messages
20,781
As said previously - let's leave the cheap Tory-bashing out of this.

I've voted Tory in the past and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Are we all cnuts to you?

It just looks like you're trying to impress a bunch of strangers on the internet, which isn't a great look.
Everyone makes mistakes and does things they regret. But all members of the actual Tory party are cnuts though.
 

RedDevilRoshi

Full Member
Joined
Sep 28, 2017
Messages
13,279
No doubt Sir Jim must have asked for his takeover meeting with the club to be on the Friday so he could actually meet the gaffer in person at Carrington and let the Qatari’s visit on the Thursday when the team are in Spain and it’s pissing down with rain in Manchester.

Still think the Qatari’s will win in the end.
 

JagUTD

Full Member
Joined
Sep 20, 2022
Messages
3,223
No doubt Sir Jim must have asked for his takeover meeting with the club to be on the Friday so he could actually meet the gaffer in person at Carrington and let the Qatari’s visit on the Thursday when the team are in Spain and it’s pissing down with rain in Manchester
Mind. Blown.

Trying to calculate how many Ds of chess are at play here.
 

Plant0x84

Shame we’re aren’t more like Brighton
Joined
Jun 23, 2020
Messages
13,541
Location
Carpark and snack area adjacent to the abyss
Yes obviously its about the money.
More investment in the club means better success on the pitch that's not exactly rocket science is it?
Yes, because for all the money City and PSG have spent they have cabinets full of CL trophies don’t they?!
Obviously also a billion later Utd have been super successful in the last 10 years haven’t we?!
Maybe it is rocket science after all….. :rolleyes:
 

devilish

Juventus fan who used to support United
Joined
Sep 5, 2002
Messages
61,770
Well, based on their PR campaign it suggests they don't actually know what they are doing because all of their media stuff claims they want to buy 100% of the club for a little more than Ratcliffe wants to buy what's actually for sale.
its PR BS. Both parties probably want 100% but while Jassim is confident that he'll able to buy all shares, Ratcliffe is being more cautious by not promising what he hasn't got in the bag.
 

ShinjiNinja26

Full Member
Joined
Feb 9, 2013
Messages
11,251
Location
Location, Location
Yes, because for all the money City and PSG have spent they have cabinets full of CL trophies don’t they?!
Obviously also a billion later Utd have been super successful in the last 10 years haven’t we?!
Maybe it is rocket science after all….. :rolleyes:
What City and PSG do have though is cabinets full of league titles which we could certainly do with right now. Although I do agree spending alone doesn’t automatically mean success as we’ve found out, you need the right people in charge of how the moneys spent.
 

stevoc

Full Member
Joined
Jun 11, 2011
Messages
20,781
In my view whether it's loaded onto INEOS or the club, it will still be debt that they have to service and I can tell you for free if they can't pay it via INEOS it's going to come from the club.

There's also what he has done with Nice, it doesn't fill me with confidence.

FYI I don't prefer Qatar, I just think they have it in the bag given their huge reserves of wealth. I dread the day we will become just another state club but I feel it's inevitable.
:lol:
 

AlPistacho

New Member
Joined
Aug 31, 2022
Messages
1,782
Do new owners replace current CEO or they keep him?
Keep them for now. They have a relationship with ETH. Assuming we’re talking about Murtough & Arnold, last summer overpaying for Antony was more down to the Glazers first giving a restrictive budget and then taking an emergency loan for signing.
 

owlo

Full Member
Joined
Mar 27, 2015
Messages
3,252
Bit miffed to discover that the media/fans still consider Ratcliffe is making a serious attempt to buy the club.
 

Andycoleno9

matchday malcontent
Joined
Mar 4, 2017
Messages
29,234
Location
Croatia
Yes, because for all the money City and PSG have spent they have cabinets full of CL trophies don’t they?!
Obviously also a billion later Utd have been super successful in the last 10 years haven’t we?!
Maybe it is rocket science after all….. :rolleyes:
Why is always CL trophy only mentioned? What is wrong with domestic leagues and cups? And they have shit load of those.
 

devilish

Juventus fan who used to support United
Joined
Sep 5, 2002
Messages
61,770
Bit miffed to discover that the media/fans still consider Ratcliffe is making a serious attempt to buy the club.
I am pro Qatari and I still think that SJR is making a serious attempt to buy the club.
 

JagUTD

Full Member
Joined
Sep 20, 2022
Messages
3,223
Why is always CL trophy only mentioned? What is wrong with domestic leagues and cups? And they have shit load of those.
I'd be content winning almost every League title in England and becoming a joke in Europe. I'd prefer to win in Europe of course but it's a decent consolation when we already have a few Champions Leagues and other assorted European silverware.

I'd be far less content winning things like the SPL or similar stature European leagues after spending the GDP of a midsize world power just to pay a poor imitation of Marcus Rashford not to go to Madrid.
 

JagUTD

Full Member
Joined
Sep 20, 2022
Messages
3,223

These LOCAL fans have something to say.
So if Wumminator took one or two mates down and wrote "we love you Jim" on a bedsheet, this would also be representative of the wider fanbases support of SJRs bid?

No, is the answer btw.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.