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"They would run United differently", "French just like to protest" etc.
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Massive red flags.
HUGE red flags mate but some people like to wallow in misery and welcome another bad owner.

I'd guess that many of the Ineos supporters are supporting Ineos primarily because they are not the Glazers and they are not a nation state and it is ultimately a choice of one of those three options.

The on-pitch fortunes of Nice/Lausanne (or lack thereof) are therefore not really going to be persuasive (or at least not in the face of the other concerns re the Glazers/Qatar).
So they rather see the clubs stadium and training facility collapse? Not to speak of another 18 years of mediocrity on the field?
 

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My country is reliant on sucking Russia's dick and it's the government I hate the most over any other in the world. You are still not getting my point. It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with Middle Eastern policies, or the Quran, or Qatar's penal code.

It's about any government buying a sports club with their bottomless pit of money to 1. use it as a sportswashing tool 2. make the competition utterly pointless for teams that aren't state-owned, especially long-term.

If Ineos bought the club, their pollution and wrongdoings should be brought to light and be criticised. I'm not a fan of them or Ratcliffe. It's just that they cannot even be compared to any government, especially to state like Qatar.
Seems to me we live in the same country...
 

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Nice have qualified for a European competition twice since the INEOS takeover. So far its one qualification every two years. Thats perfectly fine for a club like Nice.
But the two years prior to Ratcliffe they qualified in both years. So in a way its a step back.
 

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Cheers mate. That makes Ratcliffe no 3 right?
Probably but even then there is a few billionaires, so he maybe wealthier than 2 combined but not all. Though Castia was likely jesting but the point is that it's not actually a givent that he would win a money battle in Ligue 1 if the others wanted to play that game.
 

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Theyll take the deal which works out best for them. I just hope the situation is sorted out sooner so that ETH is allowed to improve the squad. If we dont get players in soon its going to be the same old story - finish top 4, get CL, dont improve, go to europa after crashing out of CL and finish outside of top 4 next season.
 

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Qatar are richer so favourites.....then RATcliffe offers the Glazers a chance to stay.......Then Qatar make a huge last min bid.....then rumours the Glazers are waiting until after the last game to announce they stay.

What is wrong with these sadistic Glazer parasites? Do they not understand 10s if not 100s of millions of people are emotionally invested in this club, its one of the few things that bring them regular joy. Yet they still want to keep us in this hellish situation for a lot longer so they can fill their grubby little hands with a few more dollars?

I wish them nothing but the worst.
 

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The first Manchester United I can remember is Martin Edwards. He was a man of extremes. On one hand he was the guy who invented the business model we have and which, up till the Glazers came in, was lauded by everyone. He also invested on the club's infrastructure and while he wanted Venables as manager instead of SAF, he listened to Sir Bobby's opinion and he also stuck to SAF when things got sour. On the other hand, he came inches away from losing SAF because he refused to give him the pay rise he deserved, he refused to sanction the deal for Batistuta who would have easily made us win another CL and he whored United to anyone with money.

The PLC placed United in the European map transfer wise. Finally we could afford buying European based players without us having to beg the players to forfeit their signing on fee bonus as we did with Jaap Stam. However it also had it share of weaknesses. First of all it took ages to take a decision (not to the extent of the Glazers but no one is like the Glazers on that). It also opened the door to the Glazers.

Then the Glazers came in. Many warned us about them, how their modus operandi is to squeeze as much money out of their assets, without really investing into them and then still sell them at a profit (shopping malls etc). To my shame I took a wait and see attitude. It was down to many things like for example my ignorance about the owners. However it was mostly down to the arrogance of believing that Manchester United was far too big to fail.

At each stage we praised their strengths and we criticised their weakness. No one defended Edwards peeping tom's antics or the PLC sluggishness just as no one defend the Glazers simply because they are our owners. That's because most of the fans can see a clear distinction between the football owner and the person or in Qatari case the state. This is not just a United thing. Its quite evident during the WC. I can't think of anyone who really liked it. I honestly didn't like it and part of it was down to Qatar (a WC in winter and in a small country with no history in football is a turn off for me). I thought the same with the Japan/South Korea one as well. Sure the US pulled it off but the country is absolutely massive and is located close to South America who are frigging crazy about football. Anyway, no one changed his views about Qatari policies on homophobia etc because of the WC. It won't change if they buy Manchester United.

I disagree with state ownership. If UEFA/FIFA/FA had to ban them all then I'd be the first one to give them the thumbs up. However they won't ban them and I am sick and tired of watching my club having to compete with a broken foot. That's something quite evident as apart from the moralists the only ones supporting INEOS bid are the ABUs.

PS: I might support a super rich owner as an alternative. Unfortunately INEOS are so so shit in football.
Edwards tried to sell the club in 89 for £10 million to Knighton. He wasnt that bothered and it was his father Louis that built it up from funding from his butcher business.
 

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People turning a blind eye to Ratcliffe are hilarious and only embarrassing themselves.

Nice and Lussane are enough to show that he’d arguable be worse than the Glazers.
 

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The French league is like if the Premier League kicked Arsenal, Newcastle, United, Liverpool, Chelsea and just to be on the safe side Spurs out in terms of levels of competitiveness.

It doesn't seem a market in which an ambitious and invested billionaire like Ratcliffe should be struggling to make an impact. Yet he is
That’s what you get if you make idiotic appointments like making your brother the head or appointing your cycling coach as director of football. Who then goes behind the managers back to sign players he never wanted. But hey ho brexit jimbo in as he is not a qatari!
 

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I read on VI that Avram's visits cost the club over a quarter a million per visit just for his flight?! They cited the Athletic.
 

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I read on VI that Avram's visits cost the club over a quarter a million per visit just for his flight?! They cited the Athletic.
I saw it and have two questions, how would they know who paid? Those same papers don't have a clue about every other expenses including actually wages but somehow they would be in the know for that particular expense?
 

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Who valued us at £6b anyway-was it Goldman Sachs? Most of our biggest competitors, albeit more recently successful rivals are roughly valued at 2/3rds of the price, and without being saddled with £1b debt.
The Goblins dragging their collective feet has only made the situation look even more ludicrous.
 

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I saw it and have two questions, how would they know who paid? Those same papers don't have a clue about every other expenses including actually wages but somehow they would be in the know for that particular expense?
They dont have a clue about other expenses?? Do you mean the numbers they put out on literally anything are fake???
 

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I saw it and have two questions, how would they know who paid? Those same papers don't have a clue about every other expenses including actually wages but somehow they would be in the know for that particular expense?
They probably researched the private jet he hired and got the cost. Both pretty easy. Them guessed he put it down as expenses, as most business owners do.
 

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Who valued us at £6b anyway-was it Goldman Sachs? Most of our biggest competitors, albeit more recently successful rivals are roughly valued at 2/3rds of the price, and without being saddled with £1b debt.
The Goblins dragging their collective feet has only made the situation look even more ludicrous.
You mean Barcelona and Real Madrid? I'd bet we're closer to those than Chelsea and the like (I don't bet).
 

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I saw it and have two questions, how would they know who paid? Those same papers don't have a clue about every other expenses including actually wages but somehow they would be in the know for that particular expense?
I have third one why is it even relevant for them to report it even if it's true it's hardly newsworthy or why even make such thing up unless they just want to appeal to already disgruntled United fan base against Glazers .
 

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The Neymar links yet another indicator that Qatar will prevail
You not seen the report from Diego Torres about Sheikh Jassim potentially buying the club? Diego Torres is the journo who wrote Mourinho's biography and the tweets below shed some light from his EL Pais column.


 

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You not seen the report from Diego Torres about Sheikh Jassim potentially buying the club? Diego Torres is the journo who wrote Mourinho's biography and the tweets below shed some light from EL Pais column.


:drool:
 

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No such thing as a perfect prince. Better to let people choose their path than have it forced on them.
There have been many examples of leaders chosen from a democratic process who have killed millions. Similarly, there have been many theocratic leaders who have caused untold atrocities. I am only saying don't get too hung up on the process.
 

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You not seen the report from Diego Torres about Sheikh Jassim potentially buying the club? Diego Torres is the journo who wrote Mourinho's biography and the tweets below shed some light from his EL Pais column.


Any body who mentions CL qualification having any relevance for Sale Process or price is likely talking nonsense not worth wasting any time upon.
 

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Any body who mentions CL qualification having any relevance for Sale Process or price is likely talking nonsense not worth wasting any time upon.
Hes saying that Jassim will pay the 6bn if UCL qualification is guaranteed due to the potential sponsorships he could bring to the club on the back of that.
 

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I've suspected this for some time.
 

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So they rather see the clubs stadium and training facility collapse? Not to speak of another 18 years of mediocrity on the field?
:lol: Who told you Old Trafford and Carrington are verging on collapse? Also, 18 years of mediocrity on the field? You might want to revise that number.
 

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Hes saying that Jassim will pay the 6bn if UCL qualification is guaranteed due to the potential sponsorships he could bring to the club on the back of that.
Great nice atleast this one is showing some ingenuity in making things up not just spouting the standard stuff deserves credit for that atleast , truth to be told he knows as much as you and me which is zilch .
 

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Great nice atleast this one is showing some ingenuity in making things up not just spouting the standard stuff deserves credit for that atleast , truth to be told he knows as much as you and me which is zilch .
Take everything with a pinch of salt. But Torres is a reputable journo hence Mourinho asked him to write his book. He's actually gone into a little bit of detail regarding the process.
 

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:lol: Who told you Old Trafford and Carrington are verging on collapse? Also, 18 years of mediocrity on the field? You might want to revise that number.
To be fair the way some reporters put it, you would think that Old Trafford and Carrington are like the Parthenon.
 

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Take everything with a pinch of salt. But Torres is a reputable journo hence Mourinho asked him to write his book. He's actually gone into a little bit of detail regarding the process.
I think you'd need coke in this case. He also claims the Glazers plan on spending a minimum of 500m in the summer market, and gave the Qataris a list of world class players in several position, including both Osenhim and Kvaradona. He made it sound like Joel and Avram wants to play FM one last time before fecking off.
 

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Take everything with a pinch of salt. But Torres is a reputable journo hence Mourinho asked him to write his book. He's actually gone into a little bit of detail regarding the process.
Torres is a nutter, no? There’s a podcast I listen to which regularly reads out segments from his latest opinion pieces. They never fail to be absolutely terrible takes.
 
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