Waynne
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Give him Yeovil Town FC and see if he can get them all the way to the PL. Only then I'll call him one of the greatest.
He’s not got a magic wand but he has a clear system that has proven to be successful not only in his teams but when you see the footprints in teams like Kompany’s Burnley and Arteta’s Arsenal. My guess is that he will need some years to establish his footprints on Yeovil Town similar to how Klopp had to slowly but steadily replaced his squad till he was able to find a core that would implement his ideas on the pitch. Managers are disadvantaged because no matter how brilliant their ideas are someone else will need to carry them out.Give him Yeovil Town FC and see if he can get them all the way to the PL. Only then I'll call him one of the greatest.
Madrid were hardly a good sideShow me a man who leads Aberdeen to glory over Real Madrid…
I never said that he isn’t a great manager. In fact the first line of my first post you quoted said that he is one of the best of our lifetime. It doesn’t change the fact that he has a very strong squad. Grealish, Stones and Ake who you quoted as not so fancied players were bought for 100,45 and 41 million respectively. Of their 16 most used players this season only Foden is from the academy. Once again Pep has done an incredible job of raising the level of some of the players but you also can’t deny the fact that the squad is very very strong. United are a terrible team to compare to because we all know that we are shockingly run as a club but hardly anyone else can compete with a squad of this sortWell the point is he’s started with players who aren’t exactly the best of the best. People give the impression he just buys the best players in every position and can rotate them off the bench too but it’s not really how it works is it? I asked before, but how many players has be bought who were considered to be world class when he signed them?
The unlimited budget doesn’t really ring true either, he wanted to sign Sanchez and missed out because of money, same with Messi, and he also wanted Van Dijk and was outbid by the scousers. If level of success was dictated purely by money spent then Ole might still be here, and Ten Haag would probably be a lot happier right now. City won’t have this sustained success once Guardiola leaves.
Exactly that's why he stands aloneShow me a man who leads Aberdeen to glory over Real Madrid…
Nope. I hope that happens so we can put the notion that he is better than Sir Alex to bed.I can only hope that Pep retires before the game moves past him and he becomes a Jose.
Enjoy the championship!The tears in this thread .
The truth is in the middle as always. He does need money to be successful and City have been able to get him the players he needs but you're right that he is the one that has made most of the players household names, and spending money doesn't guarantee this sort of sustained success no matter how much you spent. They've spent money but they've also got their recruitment spot on.Well the point is he’s started with players who aren’t exactly the best of the best. People give the impression he just buys the best players in every position and can rotate them off the bench too but it’s not really how it works is it? I asked before, but how many players has be bought who were considered to be world class when he signed them?
The unlimited budget doesn’t really ring true either, he wanted to sign Sanchez and missed out because of money, same with Messi, and he also wanted Van Dijk and was outbid by the scousers. If level of success was dictated purely by money spent then Ole might still be here, and Ten Haag would probably be a lot happier right now. City won’t have this sustained success once Guardiola leaves.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/49822761What's this about?
Send that to the media wanking over himDoped as a player - confirmed.
Payments to referees at Barca - confirmed.
Guilty of financial doping UEFA - confirmed.
115 charges of cheating hanging over City.
Is he feck ‘the greatest’, it’s laughable.
Would love to know who is actually responsible for him not ending up replacing Fergie. Pisses me off beyond belief that we weren't the club getting the Barca backroom staff in place for himlet’s face it if he was our manager we would say he is the greatest without a shadow of a doubt.
It was Fergie and the Scottish same cloth. It's on him.Would love to know who is actually responsible for him not ending up replacing Fergie. Pisses me off beyond belief that we weren't the club getting the Barca backroom staff in place for him
Yeah will never understand the Moyes decision,what on earth was Gill doing let him pick his own successorIt was Fergie and the Scottish same cloth. It's on him.
Pep might or might not join us but it was always Moyes on his mind. No way he's listing Jose and Pep as priority then shift to David fooking Moyes
In terms of Budget, Fergie's financial clout could be argued to be bigger than City's. We were almost a monopoly in the league for circa 20 years.What Fergie has done is more admirable, first he took a top 4 Aberdeen side to 3 Scottish league titles and 2 European trophies (their only league titles and European trophies ever won throughout their 120 years history), and won overall 11 trophies there.
Then he also took top 4 Man Utd side, a club with 20 years without winning any league title, into a dominance force in England, winning 13 league titles and 2 CL trophies, became treble winner, with overall 38 trophies won in over 2 decades of domination.
He has done all that with a rather manageable budget.
I don't think there is any other manager who could match these 2 achievements.
As for Pep, his legacy would remain to be the manager of 2 of the most dominating club side ever - Barca (08-12, tiki taka football, treble winner, 2x CL), and City (17-23+, treble winner, 5 league titles in his 7 years reign). The only manager who has achieved double treble.
But he has done all that with the best resources available to him. And his achievements would always comes with asterisk of doubts from Barca corruption allegations, and City's 115 charges of breaching FFP.
He did something with City most did not think was possible with two attacking midfielders.Not sure about the greatest but easily one of the most innovative for sure
This isn’t correct. Fergie stated in his autobiography that he asked Pep to be the next United manager long before he made the decision to retire. He didn’t want to manage the club. Nobody wanted to take the reigns after Fergie retired because they knew it was a disaster waiting to happen. United contacted Mouinho, Kloop and Ancelotti and for various reasons they turned it down. Moyes was right down the list of options. You are correct that Fergie should of had nothing to do with the next appointment. Would it happen in any other industry?Yeah will never understand the Moyes decision,what on earth was Gill doing let him pick his own successor
Well we kinda self generated our income based on our success build from Fergie's era. Sure we have some money to spend prior Fergie taking over, but basically Fergie doesn't have the same advantage in hand prior to joining us (unlimited or best resources available), he is actually biggest part of reason turning us into huge success on and off the fields, and our financial strength is the outcome of that.In terms of Budget, Fergie's financial clout could be argued to be bigger than City's. We were almost a monopoly in the league for circa 20 years.
Pure fantasy. United weren’t the highest spenders during the 90s and rarely spent more than league rivals year on year. English clubs could not match many Europeans sides for wages and transfer fees either. In Europe in particular United were underdogs for most of the 90s. With English club banned from Europe in the late 80s as well it took years for United to get to the right level in the Champions League. That is why there is romance to his and United’s achievements, alongside the pool of youth players. To proclaim that Sir Alex had the financial advantage that Pep has with City is complete nonsense. He even had to ask for his salary to match George Graham, that’s how tight Martin Edwards was as an owner.In terms of Budget, Fergie's financial clout could be argued to be bigger than City's. We were almost a monopoly in the league for circa 20 years.
Thought it was more that he had already given Bayern his word when Fergie asked. There is also that story which said he couldn't understand the Scottish accentThis isn’t correct. Fergie stated in his autobiography that he asked Pep to be the next United manager long before he made the decision to retire. He didn’t want to manage the club. Nobody wanted to take the reigns after Fergie retired because they knew it was a disaster waiting to happen. United contacted Mouinho, Kloop and Ancelotti and for various reasons they turned it down. Moyes was right down the list of options. You are correct that Fergie should of had nothing to do with the next appointment. Would it happen in any other industry?
I have no idea who those "most", winning the CL was a matter of timeHe did something with City most did not think was possible with two attacking midfielders.
This achievement is greater than his achievement with Barcelona, City have been frankly extraordinary and they have played a beautiful game. GOAT.
Basically every pundit thinks he has revolutionised football all over the world, hard to disagree.I have no idea who those "most", winning the CL was a matter of time
Cannot stomach we let him end up thereBasically every pundit thinks he has revolutionised football all over the world, hard to disagree.
His career choices will have you believe he's after the best chances to win trophies.Cannot stomach we let him end up there
Just doesn't feel like we reacted quickly enoughHis career choices will have you believe he's after the best chances to win trophies.
United, post Fergie, wasn't the safest bet.
It's not like it was in our hands (as in, he desperately wanted to come here) and we blew it.
That's one thing we didn't "Woodward".
I don't trust my memory enough to be sure,Just doesn't feel like we reacted quickly enough
I mean, if he has an unlimited budget to try and try until he gets it right, then its pretty effective football.Not sure about the greatest but easily one of the most innovative for sure