Spot on. I'd rather this club try and fail to make it back to the top than have a cash cheat code that just delivers a hollow victory.
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So let me get this right, you are saying someone has to either care about every wrong and injustice in the world, through history, space and time? Or just don't give a flying feck about anything?
Is that your point?
Of course they said they won't be 'held to ransom' but that's exactly what will happen to some degree. That's what Raine is for, to turn the screw and get past that. They're hardly going to say 'Yes we are totally happy to be held for ransom.' The reality is they are not bound by commercial considerations or value for money limitations no matter what they pretend. Everyone knows this.
Bottom line, SJR simply cannot match the price Qatar can pay any more than you or I can. It's a trillionaire oil state run by unaccountable despots with gigantic egos. That's not a criticism it's a dispassionate observation.
Anybody who thinks this isn't a thinly veiled state bid is, frankly, stupid.
I can only assume you made the wise choice to put that Plant fella on ignore.
Who?
I guess he just wants old people to die before they see the benefits of Qatari investment then? The monster!!
I’m arguing against the idea that United did the correct way that was discussed over the last page?
I’m on the same boat. Financially it shouldn’t be that much of a difference since I believe everything we make should be spent on the club. It’s this idea of United being the head of a three club system that funnels players through PSG for us is a killer for me. It’s not even football at that stage
That's it, well said (as always).
I believe that Ratcliffe is a horrible human being due to followings:
- does not give a feck about unions and workers rights (google Teamsters Ohio and Grangemouth unite)
- is a documented lobbist of anti-environmental legislation (google Ineos greenwashing).
-is a well-known hypocrite and liar. Pushed for Brexit, fecked off to Monaco to avoid taxes. Promised to build a car factory in Wales and never did.
Also, he has a horrible proven record of owning football clubs.
A horrendous potential owner of Manchester United.
- does not give a feck about unions and workers rights (google Teamsters Ohio and Grangemouth unite)
- is a documented lobbist of anti-environmental legislation (google Ineos greenwashing).
-is a well-known hypocrite and liar. Pushed for Brexit, fecked off to Monaco to avoid taxes. Promised to build a car factory in Wales and never did.
Also, he has a horrible proven record of owning football clubs.
A horrendous potential owner of Manchester United.
Or others just have a different opinion
Who is the third?
This takeover is really getting frustrating now. Can one of the two just be announced so we can get a move on with our future.
Really good post.
I've never even looked at it from a human rights standpoint even though I understand the concern. For me, it's the hypocrisy and emptiness of it all. From deriding City and PSG for being sports-washed, playthings for a state, to openly wanting the same thing. Boggles my mind.
Basically rooting for Death Star.
Yes but he's an individual and not a state (or something)
Also no one cares about scummy western business people (that's normal and socially accepted)
You're on a roll today with thought provoking posts.
Indeed if it weren't for oil money I dare say we would have won League titles under Jose and even Ole. And if City had been around twenty years ago they would have dominated instead of us. The world has changed. Football has changed. Without meaningful financial fair play rules it's really just about who is richest and best organised. And given the football authorities are obviously corrupt from tip to toe, such rules will never be effectively created or enforced.
And yet we still watch. I don't know why. When I see Manchester City score a beautiful goal I feel nothing. It might as well have been a simulation on a playstation. I fear Qatari ownership might feel like that.
Tweets haven't been loading for me today, but thanks, I'll make a mental note to revisit this one.
I think you're going way off on a tangent here. This started out as 'SJR can't afford to buy the club', which is clearly false, and you've turned it into an argument into which party is richer. As if Qatar would give all their wealth for United
There is obviously a cut off point. I bet my left nut they wouldn't spend £7b to buy the club. If SJR offered that straight up for 100%, I reckon Qatar walk away. And that's my point.I agree here.
Even though I prefer Qatar bid to Ineos
Football would be much better overall if these types of owners didn't exist and the football world existed in its own economy, unfortunately, that's a utopia that's never going to happen, there is too much money to be made.
Brilliant post as always.
I've disliked the Glazers from the very beginning and I am well aware of football hype as I grow old. However, there is something just so romantic about the club I just cannot get it out of my system. It's also become a part of my life going to games with the extended family. Gives us a great time to bond and meet up with other like-minded United fans.
You just want the Qatari billions, and are writing any old shite to justify that without making it seem so hollow. And yet you made it seem even more grim than if you had've just said you want us to have loads of money and win everything, and feck everything else.
While I agree with most of this post, I'd say that all teams have a narrative and a romance attached to them. Even City. Nevertheless, the global fanbase tends to build around titles and general football success. And that's what I think the fans preferring a SJ takeover are pointing at.
No. Read my follow-up posts.
You think for a 70 year old Utd fan, watching City and Liverpool hoover up PL titles, CL titles and fecking trebles while Utd rot under the Glazers, knowing that there’s a very good chance they’ll genuinely never in their remaining lifetime see Utd win a meaningful trophy it doesn’t hurt because they experienced success in the past!?I think this is genuinely the most disingenuously manipulative thing I've seen anyone post. It's utterly mental. United fans of 60 years have seen us win everything, and be relegated in their time. Why would they be significantly more heartbroken by us finishing outside of the top 4 for a couple of season & only winning 4 trophies in the last 8 years!?
No one - absolutely no one - is a Jim Ratcliffe fan FFS. This is precisely how you can identify the weird disconnect between the two camps here. There are people who might prefer him, but people are not treating the potential success of his bid in remotely the same crassly obsessive way.
Who the feck are you to tell my Grandad what he can or can’t feel about a club he’s given more to than you or I could’ve possibly done? Seriously.
Likewise, who the feck are you (or I) to gatekeep what other fans view as ‘romance’ in football?
If you wanna declare that Utd will hold no emotional connection for you if Jassim takes it over, that’s fine, I don’t look down on you for that or deny you that - that’s what my post was saying, if you actually read it.
But by the same token, don’t be telling other people who have completely different life experiences than you how they must feel.
I’ve got kids in my family who are 10 and all they’ve really known is Glazers at Utd with City and Liverpool dominating, they will feel the exact same romance and glory you and I did if Utd win a PL under Jassim, you can’t decide otherwise for them.
Likewise I’ve got elderly relatives who just want to see Utd wrestle dominance back from City and again, you are certainly not the person to decide what their emotional connection is with the club.
And it’s not about being a fan of Ratcliffe, or Jassim or anything else. Yes, there’s banter in the thread, and lots of silliness, but no one’s a ‘fan’ of Jassim OR Ratcliffe.
There’s passion because people are desperate for the Glazers to GO. To properly fecking go, and if Ratcliffe was offering that and Jassim was offering to keep them here - I fecking assure you almost every single pro Jassim poster would prefer Ratcliffe.
That's interesting, El Pais make that claim today but less than a month ago they were claiming that the planned list was: Kane, Vlahovic or Osimhen, De Jong, Rabiot or McAllister, Coman or Kvaratskhelia and Araujo or Kim min-Jae.
Either El Pais has no clue now or they had no clue a month ago.
Just woke up - slept in a bit. Any developments? Is it safe to say last night's celebrations were premature?
Indeed. He has horrible human rights and environmental record, whilst being a known liar and hypocrite. In bed with the Saudis where he will build another factory with awful conditions for construction workers.
Can’t you just read the last 920 posts like everyone else?
Entitled bollocks.
Great points but one big difference between United and many other clubs is that we have been financially harvested by the owners. Real Madrid have not had 1billion plus removed. Where would we be if that was not the case?
Can we catch up without a benefactor, SJR or SJ, probably but only after many more years of struggle and rebalancing. There is not enough income to rebuild the stadium, the money that was available is never coming back.
Whilst their father was alive, the stock listing in 2012 was used to payoff debt that had been dumped on the club. Post Malcolm's death in 2014 (?) the Glazer siblings have sold off shares, regularly, and just pocketed hundreds of millions of dollars, they can't do that now becuase they are dangerously close to the magic 2/3 ownership. They have to sell, there is no room for dividends. Just the fact that they can't take dividents tells its own story of how meagre the finanical postion is.
Even with the search for investment funds, to fund the facilities, the only reason the Glazers would have gone down that road was only to increase the value on a full sale of their share and they would only have done that as an absolute last resort, no way were they dilluting their ownership, instead they are now going down the leave it the new owner approach but charge them as though nothing needs to be done.
The club is financially crippled. Arnold was talking about this last summer when he was summoned by fans at the pub.
Lmfao. Legend
They have?
I might be missing something here, but you think it's entitled for someone to say they have no problem with others saying they will lose emotional connection but they don't feel those people should be dictating to others?
Why type of paper is it? I suspect they put 2 and 2 together after the fake tweet and Mbappe news.
Well said and captures emotions of a lot of fans. The last few years have been the same for me, i watch united games because its a habit. The love for the game is dwindling, sad cos i had this image of me with my young sons watching the United game and brining the house down when we score a 93rd min header against west brom!
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With humans everything is selective. I think most people like a bit of democracy and a bit of equality. So having issues, with Qatar is not really nit picking?
Of course it's about opinions. Thats a given?
Some people think human rights are important, others seemingly don't.
Some people think there should be regulations around ownership of cultural assets, some don't.
Some people think that capital accrued should be ethical and some people don't care.
It's all about opinions.
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