Would EtH and the players all quit if Jassim takes over, or will they be joining the amoral people club? I mean, they directly will be working for and get paid to make Jassim regime successful.
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Isn’t it big when you guys wake up?
Our "has been" heroes are flocking to Saudi. I doubt they are interested in anything but money.
Suspect it’ll be announced Friday evening UK time. Just watch out for the Qatar flag being draped on Old Trafford .
Every day is massive. Make the best of it, could be our last.
Yawn....go and have a cup of coffee mate.
Well let's look on the bright side.
When all these patronising whingers that don't want Qatar for their owners feck off and stop supporting United, at least this website will speed up a bit.
Every cloud....
When all these patronising whingers that don't want Qatar for their owners feck off and stop supporting United, at least this website will speed up a bit.
Every cloud....
What else can we do as fans of United?
Even on a state level, Qatar is one of the closest allies to the UK, both politically and financially.
Cheeky indeed
Yeah this website is notoriously slow, you tell ‘em champ
Lots of my friends works there in oil related companies, and makes monies from Saudi and Qatar government owned company contracts. Kinda weird that I've never considered my friends as "amoral" though. Probably I just don't think that deeper.
[sets keyboard on fire!]
I don’t think your friends are being used as a tool to distract from human rights abuses, though. Although I could be wrong.
Is there any reason people seem to think Qatar have won?
The last time I was in here was about a week ago and it felt like INEOS were going to win, what's changed?
Just rumours on twitter? Because I'm sure Twitter has acted like Qatar was about to win every day since December and it's never true.
The last time I was in here was about a week ago and it felt like INEOS were going to win, what's changed?
Just rumours on twitter? Because I'm sure Twitter has acted like Qatar was about to win every day since December and it's never true.
Right... so you want SJR.
What I dont understand is, why do people who have a right go at Qatar state but turn an absolute blind eye to SJR because he is English.
People say.. oh Jassim is getting money from the state = tainted human rights
Ratcliffe getting money from JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs - yeah its all fine
https://www.npr.org/2023/06/12/1181675580/epstein-jane-doe-1-290-million-settlement-jpmorgan-chase
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/09/business/dealbook/goldman-sachs-discrimination-lawsuit.html
So, you are okay with those right?
INEOS also have had their own issues.
THey fully know that they are being used to make more money for these human right abusers.
Do you think this is a good parallel/analogy when discussing the takeover of Manchester United?
Well, I used that already. It's perhaps something to think about.
They most certainly are not wicked. Just want to make a good living for themselves and their families. Most people on Earth think similarly in real life. Although, you have to salute those who are principled and fight for causes they believe to be right. As you say, most of us just aren't deep enough or likely to an extent we just think of ourselves and what's around us.
Every so often in this thread some braindead idiot makes some version of the following argument:
"Do you have the same morals in all areas of your life? Or do you use an iphone? Wear Nike clothes? How is your laptop made? Where does the petrol in your car come from?" Etc.
Which is an obviously stupid argument because absolutely nobody with an ounce of common sense thinks the moral standard required to object to someone owning the football club you support should also require you to give up things actually required to live and function in society, or force you into major life decisions. These are not comparable things.
The example of your friends' jobs fall into the same dynamic. They need to work to actually live and function in society. And while they could possibly change jobs to one that isn't in some way connected to oil states, that would be a massive life-commitment to make for moral reasons, and a wildly impractical standard to expect people to live their lives by.
Which means it's not at all comparable to the very minimal moral standards required to take the position (almost totally consequence-free for your actual life) that "Qatari state ownership of Manchester United is bad and we should be against it". It's a very low bar people are failing to meet, which is why they are (and will continue to be) criticised as overly amoral.
Lots of people in the UK benefit from the companies and government contracts that keep shipping billions of pounds worth of arms to those countries every year.
Whatever happens - i'll stay as a fan as i always was during my lifetime.
The Glazers really are shameless, holding next season hostage to squeeze as much out of it for themselves as they can.
What makes you think they'll feck off from the Caf?
(Hint: the vast majority won't, and why should they?)
Today is the day that something potentially may or may not happen
NOTHING IS HAPPENING Today.
It's tomorrow toward end of day.
It's tomorrow toward end of day.
Glazers fecking about selling this club while the transfer window opens and rival clubs get cracking signing out targets...
I must remember to thank them one day.
I must remember to thank them one day.
The arguments about 'sporting merit' and comparing us to City are inaccurate.
One, clubs have had cash forever. Having cash and having rich owners is not "cheating". What City have done has no sporting merit because they broke the rules (115 times apparently). Breaking the rules is cheating. Simple.
Secondly, we are owed £2BN as far as I am concerned. We built the World's biggest and possibly best football club and then, through no fault of our own, had to endure a now banned leveraged buyout that plunged the club into a downward spiral and has cost us well over £1BN in interest payments and dividends. Until that money is artificially injected back into the club, I'll accept no arguments about us having some kind of advantage because I see it purely as repairing the damage that the Premier League/FA has enabled with their greed.
Plus, how many people have revelled in our downfall? Despite all the fans it has disenfranchised and turned away from the game. How much help have we had from rival fans/the media/the FA, the Premier League in our efforts to fight Glazer ownership? So funny that suddenly all these people have strong opinions about who owns us and the morality/ethics of it now it might HELP us on-pitch. Where were these dissenting voices when the Glazers rolled into town? I remember and the silence was deafening, besides the "USA, USA" chants from the away section every week.
One, clubs have had cash forever. Having cash and having rich owners is not "cheating". What City have done has no sporting merit because they broke the rules (115 times apparently). Breaking the rules is cheating. Simple.
Secondly, we are owed £2BN as far as I am concerned. We built the World's biggest and possibly best football club and then, through no fault of our own, had to endure a now banned leveraged buyout that plunged the club into a downward spiral and has cost us well over £1BN in interest payments and dividends. Until that money is artificially injected back into the club, I'll accept no arguments about us having some kind of advantage because I see it purely as repairing the damage that the Premier League/FA has enabled with their greed.
Plus, how many people have revelled in our downfall? Despite all the fans it has disenfranchised and turned away from the game. How much help have we had from rival fans/the media/the FA, the Premier League in our efforts to fight Glazer ownership? So funny that suddenly all these people have strong opinions about who owns us and the morality/ethics of it now it might HELP us on-pitch. Where were these dissenting voices when the Glazers rolled into town? I remember and the silence was deafening, besides the "USA, USA" chants from the away section every week.
Yeah, Sultan. I'm not here wanting people to change their life principle. It's all about giving out ideas or POV.
So if Rashford sign that new contract with the new owner, would he be immoral? He obviously has options. My friends also obviously have options to work in other country. It's all about how much they can get paid, though.
Although for me, quitting as United fan is considered as a major life decision. I can't support other team, and watching football is such part of my entire life.
But, I don't know. Perhaps you're right.
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Not only are they immoral, you are immoral by association too!
The whole saga has been that big a circus, I won’t be surprised if Netflix Or Apple TV end up producing a documentary series of the whole thing a couple of months down the line once it’s all finally concluded. From when the club went on sale back in November 2022 to when the takeover is finally completed.
So not a fact then.
No one is splurging their own money to buy a football club for £5-6b (plus another £1-2b in investment) with very little hope of seeing a return for a long time. No one no matter how wealthy they are is doing that, it just doesn't work like that.
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The issue with this is that there's some sort of definite line decided by you here, as if you got that authority to decide what's 'minimal moral standards'. If you are going to call me amoral for not towing to your line, then the expect to be held to higher standards in all aspects of life.
To think that I don't even get a penny for this. I hate those feckers.
Ultimately none of us have any say or influence in this process, and for every fan that decides to walk away there will be 10 willing to take their place
If you cannot continue to support the club following the takeover, then I feel sorry that you have been put it that position
If you cannot continue to support the club following the takeover, then I feel sorry that you have been put it that position
Changing your job is obviously by most standards a major life decision, let alone emigrating to another country. Certainly far, far, far more consequential than what we're talking about in this thread.
Because absolutely nobody is saying you should quit being a United fan. Just that you should be against state ownership of United, something that requires absolutely nothing from you beyond holding that opinion and has zero impact on what will actually happen in terms of ownership. That's the remarkably low threshold of moral opinion people are failing to meet.
Though I will say that if someone ever finds themselves actually thinking "the unilateral decison I made to uproot my wife and kids' lives by emigrating to another country indefinitely was much easier than not supporting a football team would be", then they should seriously consider their life priorities.
No I won't expect that, because that's stupid, and I expect most people not to be that stupid.
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