So, no vision, no plan, and the wrong people in place. A mess.
Gee-whiz, where have I heard that one before?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Gee-whiz, where have I heard that one before?
They quote his father as one of the richest men in Qatar... Intresting.
Yep. Definitely a concern. The resources, pull, and structure of United is a different stratosphere to OGC Nice so you'd imagine (hope) the approach would also be completely different. But there's obviously no guarantee. Just as there's no guarantee someone with zero track record in football will know what they are doing. It's extremely worrying to me that Nasser of PSG is involved with Jassim's bid. Resembling anything like PSG would be a new low for me, far beyond not properly competing for titles and consistently getting new recruits wrong.
Seems disingenuous to me to be posting quotes from 10 year old articles without links - you well know that lots has changed for the better since then as we discussed it to death during the World Cup
Things will continue to improve for workers in Qatar over time as they are still a developing country, but one thing is absolutely clear to me - who ends up owning Manchester United Football Club will have virtually no impact on the workers rights situation in Qatar either way so I personally don't understand what it even has to do with this thread.
In fact there is a good argument that a Qatari taking over United can only be good for shining a spotlight on such issues.
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Tuchel wasn't open to Todd's tactical input, he never even tried that formation. No wonder he got sacked.
It depends if Ratcliffe knew about the racism taking place. It's the same Ratcliffe who hired a racist/homophobe to oversee the summer transfer window of 2022 in the form of Iain Moody who was sacked from his previous job for being a racist.
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PSG?
It said in the quote it was from the Guardian, and I stated who made the statement. The age was to show it's not knee jerk and shilling for Ineos. It's disingenuous to imply it wasn't genuine.
Just to put your selectively scruitinous mind at rest.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/25/revealed-qatars-world-cup-slaves
Have you got links to the lots that has changed?
Personally I fundamentally disagree that the expansion of influence of undemocratic states is a good thing. In my opinion it normslises authoritarianism much more than it helps the oppressed therein.
Video is bit confusing it actually mentions exclusivity has been granted to Qatari's at the very beginning , but headlines states it's being negotiated .
You're never going to get the transparency from Qatar/Jassim that would offer up the evidence you need. Their political structure doesn't do accountability, it doesn't need to, that's the point of it.
So saying let's wait and see is a bit of kick the can down the road. You'll never get to see. Not in terms of real evidence anyway.
If SJR were a true United supporter he would witdraw his bid now (if he feels he can´t compete) cuz he is just fecking everything up right now. Draging it and destroying this summer transfer window.
You’ve got to respect Adam Crafton’s objectivity as a journalist. It would have been very easy for him to just be going at Qatar and give their rivals a free pass.
Well the club didn't get rid of him and covered it up, so it has everything to do with the leadership/ownership
With regard to the last point, SJ’s father has already done massive investments in UK, he is known as ‘the man who owns half of London’ owning among others the Harrods.
However, the United purchase seems to be too big for him too. Even if some unofficial estimates of his wealth are true, putting him at 20B net worth, spending one third of it in a club seems not very logical (bear in mind that most of the wealth is in assets, not cash). Especially with him saying before that he is not a fan of football (albeit he green lighted the purchase of PSG).
I think most likely is a Qatari consortium with some unofficial heavy backing from the state.
Agreed mate.
Even I can sense a bit of disingenuity amongst some of the staunch anti Qatar posters where they are ready to Dismiss even Reuters as a credible source .
Though I am also bit confused with Reuters now they have put out a Video in which they are claiming Exclusivity has been granted to Qatari's at the very begining of the Video , but Headline states that they are still in the process of negotiations for it
Yeah, Qatar's atrocious reputation is only because people are reporting on it more now.
They're being focused on more than Ineos because what they do is a million times worse.
He put up with some disgusting abuse online.
Their sake agreement also has the commitment to spend something like 1bn right?
PSG, or was it a rhetorical question.
They mention Qatar several times and only mention Jassim while showing video footage of the Emir of Qatar.
Reuters certainly don't seem to think this is a private bid.
It's just a summary of easily available information. See for yourself: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aalansari
They've created enough doubt which was probably their plan.
The Athletic have a good piece on SJR and his Nice ownership, where the coach is accused of racism being investigated by police, the fans say he knows nothing about football.
It shows what kind of owner he is, when players also come out and say they have no direction..
Reminds me alof of.. the Glazers.
None of SJR sporting ventures have been successful.
It shows what kind of owner he is, when players also come out and say they have no direction..
Reminds me alof of.. the Glazers.
None of SJR sporting ventures have been successful.
£1.75bn in investment into the club, yes.
This is a lot more reliable than any of the football journos. Reuters is not in the business of clickbait or plain old making things up for attention. If they're reporting it they will have good sources telling them this, either from the commercial arm of the club or more likely the advisors.
Rio was right
I'm not 100% sure there is a conscious effort to "hide it", as I'm doubtful that the distinction between a "state bid" and a "private bid" is relevant or meaningful in the minds of those involved. But even if there is, the reasons could relate to basically unknowable factors relating to the internal dynamics of the al-Thanis - shifting alliances, the granting of favors, etc.
In regards to 2, the first article claims there is "no real separation" between state and private interests, and that "there is no meaningful distinction, either political or legal" between the Emir and the state. The second notes "the lack of clear boundaries" between the private and public sectors, describing the lines between the wealth of ruling families and the state as "murky". The third describes the public-private distinction as "problematic" and the distinction between public and private funds as "meaningless." The fourth notes how economic and political elites are often "indistinguishable". The fifth describes the distinction between rulers' wealth and state wealth as "artificial." A sixth article I posted here states that the "dichotomy between “state” and “business” is not strictly accurate" and argues that the private sector is basically subservient to the state."
Considering these collectively, I don't think my characterization is unfair or misleading, but if you absolutely insist on just "problematic" I won't quibble.
In regards to point 3, it is true that factionalism has traditionally been a marked feature of internal al-Thani dynamics, and that the previous lack of any clear legal means by which to select a successor has stoked this factionalism and led to coups and shifts at the very top in the past. However, the current Emir's father Hamad introduced a new constitution in 2005, article 9 of which states "The Emir shall, by an Emiri Order, appoint an Heir Apparent after consultation with the members of the Ruling Family and the people of wisdom (Ahal Alhal wal agd) in the State." This is how Tamim came into power.
According to this book, "The Emir can approve or disapprove of any project – the state coffers and the Qatar National Bank are in theory separate from the Emir, but in actuality he can direct Qatar’s enormous gas and oil revenue if he wishes...Institutionally, economically and legally, the Emir seems to have effective, absolute power....the Emir will only increase and centralize his authority, using the rhetoric of liberalization only to shore up his power. Much reform has been about centralizing the power of the Emir, not limiting it."
However, it seems correct to say that the Emir must rule more as a first among equals than a despot, and that there are non-institutionalized limits on his authority brought about by the need to develop and maintain factional alliances within the broader family and beyond. A major means of doing so, it seems, is by the distribution of state resources and institutions to favored factions among the al-Thanis and other leading tribal and merchant families. The book states "the power of the Emir is circumscribed in subtle ways, not by international threats but by internal political arrangements of a highly local, informal and tribal nature that is hard for Western political scientists trained in formal institutional politics and economics to understand or quantify."
As implied in your points 1 and 4, we don't appear to have any reliable information regarding the current status of Jassim and his father within this ruling system, so I'll refrain from further speculation on that topic until a clearer picture emerges one way or another.
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Quite true. Although, you don't need to bring in the Reuters comparison to know you cannot take seriously the journos that tweet along the lines of "BREAKING: WE HAVE NO NEWS AS OF YET".
Yes but what does TimesSport online think?
According to RMCsport, the Glazers and Sheikh Jassim camp are now negotiating the parameter of the exclusivity and an announcement will come if/when they are set.
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Interesting
Thanks JP
Reminds me of the Covid advice during lockdown!
Stay at home…don’t stay at home…only if you need to…stay at home
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Fans just blindly shouting him down and getting their blood up was quite a show yesterday. Shooting down 2/3 other pieces of news that came along yesterday really just because they set their “everybody who believed that is a muppet” stance shone a light on some of the so called sensible posters on here.Rio was right
I’m saying that as someone who wants Qatar to win but immediately sell to someone else right away.
Hopefully we all have level heads today
RMC France are very reliable, no? Between Reuters, RMC, and Rio Ferdinand (Tier 0), we cooking!
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