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Voting conservative doesn’t make you a Tory. Most tories would probably look down on me rather than take me as their own.
I think I probably do regret it, but as I said earlier it’s based on the evidence at the time. Cameron should have had the balls to see through the brexit vote when he cocked up. Boris is a narcissistic pathological liar who can’t be trusted as far as you can throw him. Says much about UK politics that he was the best option. I’m certainly not voting for Sunak who is weak and forgettable while he stands by Priti Patel and Suella Braverman.
Just the one goat and they call me .......

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Voting conservative doesn’t make you a Tory. Most tories would probably look down on me rather than take me as their own.
I think I probably do regret it, but as I said earlier it’s based on the evidence at the time. Cameron should have had the balls to see through the brexit vote when he cocked up. Boris is a narcissistic pathological liar who can’t be trusted as far as you can throw him. Says much about UK politics that he was the best option. I’m certainly not voting for Sunak who is weak and forgettable while he stands by Priti Patel and Suella Braverman.
I simply despair
 

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Voting Tory at the last 3 elections doesn't make you a Tory. A perfect encapsulation of how the Tories usually do so well and why we are where we are.

This country is actually fecked. At least we have 5 years of austerity mk2 to look forward to under Labour before the Tories win again.
 

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Labour to Lib Dem to Tory. I voted for May, and subsequently Boris as I couldn’t vote for anti-Semite Corbyn even though one or two of his policies were thought provoking.
Given you vote for a local MP and not the leader of a party and despite this, you were happy to think that you were voting for Boris I think you might not have any ability to have your thoughts provoked.
 

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Voting conservative doesn’t make you a Tory. Most tories would probably look down on me rather than take me as their own.
I think I probably do regret it, but as I said earlier it’s based on the evidence at the time. Cameron should have had the balls to see through the brexit vote when he cocked up. Boris is a narcissistic pathological liar who can’t be trusted as far as you can throw him. Says much about UK politics that he was the best option. I’m certainly not voting for Sunak who is weak and forgettable while he stands by Priti Patel and Suella Braverman.

Out of interest (and I'm not really interested in joining the pile on) what do you think makes someone a Tory?
 

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My grandad left me with two quotes that'll follow me until the end of my days.

"There's two types of folk - folk who aren't cnuts, and feckin Tories."

"Hide my porn stash."
You kept it didn't you
 

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Manifesto, yes. The important issues at the time and the stance each party takes on them. But I don’t align with ideas and principles of any political party, and I don’t buy into their dogma which is why I don’t consider myself ‘labour’ or ‘Tory’. Also my vote was for my local MP, who up to the last GE had done a great job for my town, rather than voting specifically for May or Johnson. I happen to think they both were rotten uninspiring candidates, and Truss was an absolute brain fart shitstorm of a leader.
So now you are voting for your local MP and not the party leader....

Labour to Lib Dem to Tory. I voted for May, and subsequently Boris as I couldn’t vote for anti-Semite Corbyn even though one or two of his policies were thought provoking.
 

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Labour to Lib Dem to Tory. I voted for May, and subsequently Boris as I couldn’t vote for anti-Semite Corbyn even though one or two of his policies were thought provoking.
Funnily I have done the reverse in my voting history.

Voted Tory in a Labour safe seat in protest at 72 day detention, then Lib Dem, and voted Labour ever since they have been out of power.

If you voted for the Tories post austerity, you are a Tory
 

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Out of interest (and I'm not really interested in joining the pile on) what do you think makes someone a Tory?
Conservative mentality - is primarily a belief in ...'Self first, self last, and if there is anything left over, self again...' and unfortunately deep down there is a bit of this mentality in all of us. Which is why the Tories really do believe they are the 'natural party' of Government.
 

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Presumably, cheaper people like nurses and hygienists take on more of the work the dentist currently does. This assumes that there are plenty of these people around, which I doubt.
I had a filing last week the hygienist done it, still costs £80 whoever does it though!
 

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I get the benefits of privatisation. I don't understand privatisation without competition, which is what we see in water and in rail. How does that make sense even to privatisations most ardent supporter?
 

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I get the benefits of privatisation. I don't understand privatisation without competition, which is what we see in water and in rail. How does that make sense even to privatisations most ardent supporter?
Exactly right. Obviously the government doesn't need to be in charge of random luxury markets, but they should be giving an option or support as needed with necessary but competitive things, and absolutely should be the ones providing necessities where it's a monopoly
 

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Exactly right. Obviously the government doesn't need to be in charge of random luxury markets, but they should be giving an option or support as needed with necessary but competitive things, and absolutely should be the ones providing necessities where it's a monopoly
We should be choosing who we travel with based on price, reliability, quality of service etc.

Companies would compete for our patronage. Would drive fares down.
 

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I voted for Cameron, May and Johnson, mainly because I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Jezza or the creature comfort Wallace and Gromit guy before him. Previously I voted for Blair, and for Nick Clegg because I thought the country needed a change from the old red or blue. I can’t imagine Sunak will get my vote, but I don’t see Starmer getting his house in order either so who knows?!!
Labour to Lib Dem to Tory. I voted for May, and subsequently Boris as I couldn’t vote for anti-Semite Corbyn even though one or two of his policies were thought provoking.
Least surprising revelation, ever.
 

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I get the benefits of privatisation. I don't understand privatisation without competition, which is what we see in water and in rail. How does that make sense even to privatisations most ardent supporter?
It doesn't because privatisation was never actually about competition or free market efficiency, that was the spin put on it for the electorate.

Privatisation was a hundred percent about raising money for the treasury, and for proof of that look at the railways, inherently requiring a degree of public funding but carved up in a ludicrous manner to provide a way of selling part whilst the remaining parts paid for it ever after.

If the money raised by privatisation, and north sea oil, had been invested for the future it might have made sense, but it wasn't, the money was spunked on tax cuts to buy votes, and mostly tax cuts for the well-off at that. All gone.
 

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It doesn't because privatisation was never actually about competition or free market efficiency, that was the spin put on it for the electorate.

Privatisation was a hundred percent about raising money for the treasury, and for proof of that look at the railways, inherently requiring a degree of public funding but carved up in a ludicrous manner to provide a way of selling part whilst the remaining parts paid for it ever after.

If the money raised by privatisation, and north sea oil, had been invested for the future it might have made sense, but it wasn't, the money was spunked on tax cuts to buy votes, and mostly tax cuts for the well-off at that. All gone.
This is a fair analysis.
Virtually all Governments, at least in my lifetime, have used assets that effectively (for the most) belong to the nation, to raise money for the exchequer or to move debt of their books, or for other less worthy/ understandable reasons. Whether through privatisation, or the selling off gold reserves, or national treasures, etc. Usually it is to buy-off voters around the time of GE's, or to make other investments they (generally) don't want the public to know about, or more specifically to understand. With 5 to 10 years the most likely period of office for any government, its probably just about understandable. Very rarely have such receipts from such disposals been used to build for the future.

Storage and supply of water is a good example of missed opportunity. My grandfather told me about a plan to establish national grid (linking of reservoirs) for storage and supply was first conceived around the early 1900's, a outline project cost at the time would have been £3-5 hundred thousand pounds, but war in Europe was looming and it got put back on the shelf; it was apparently considered again (same plan) in the early 1930's the price now around £3M, but again war was looming and it went back again to the shelf. It was last looked at (so I am told) in the mid-seventies.it was then priced (same plan) £300m.... goodness knows what it would cost now, but everyone knows its needed, now and for the future, more than ever.
 
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It doesn't because privatisation was never actually about competition or free market efficiency, that was the spin put on it for the electorate.

Privatisation was a hundred percent about raising money for the treasury, and for proof of that look at the railways, inherently requiring a degree of public funding but carved up in a ludicrous manner to provide a way of selling part whilst the remaining parts paid for it ever after.

If the money raised by privatisation, and north sea oil, had been invested for the future it might have made sense, but it wasn't, the money was spunked on tax cuts to buy votes, and mostly tax cuts for the well-off at that. All gone.
And for how it could have been you only need to look at Norway