Saudi signing wave: What are the implications? Is it weakening the Premier League?

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Im not sure why the Saudi League is suddenly building their league ? I mean Qatar went and splashed the cash with the WC 2022 in mind. Since the saudis are no longer in contention for the WC 2030, whats their end goal here ?

If they want to rival a league thats similar to the top 5, they would need to have a massive improvement in the quality of local players, of the football and that too for sustained periods. Not just 5-6 years...
 

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Im not sure why the Saudi League is suddenly building their league ? I mean Qatar went and splashed the cash with the WC 2022 in mind. Since the saudis are no longer in contention for the WC 2030, whats their end goal here ?

If they want to rival a league thats similar to the top 5, they would need to have a massive improvement in the quality of local players, of the football and that too for sustained periods. Not just 5-6 years...
Sportswashing and diversifying the economy away from oil
 

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Im not sure why the Saudi League is suddenly building their league ? I mean Qatar went and splashed the cash with the WC 2022 in mind. Since the saudis are no longer in contention for the WC 2030, whats their end goal here ?

If they want to rival a league thats similar to the top 5, they would need to have a massive improvement in the quality of local players, of the football and that too for sustained periods. Not just 5-6 years...
Their goal is to have people around the world associate SA with money, superstars, glamour, great events, tech, etc, instead of medieval justice system, oppression of their citizens, terrorism or killing children in places like yemen. And it's working perfectly.
 

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In 2025 when the 32-team Club World Cup is held, Cristiano Ronaldo will be 40, Messi will be 38, and Karim Benzema will be 37. The only one whose contract even goes up to the CWC is Messi's.
Not unrealistic to see them still playing.

I can definitely see Ronaldo still pretending he's 30 at 40.
 

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The standard of football is still going to be wank. Stadiums are still going to have fewer fans than most League 2 matches.
 

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I don't think it's been mentioned much, but the contracts these players are signing are short. SMS, Neves, Fofana, Jota, all have contracts until 2026. They could leave on a free in three years, or for a smaller fee in 2025.

A comparable example is Alex Witsel, who signed a 3-year contract with a chinese club and came back to Europe after 1.5 years.
 

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For God's sake please offer Pep a billion dollars annual salary to manage a Saudi club. Pretty please.
 

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Im not sure why the Saudi League is suddenly building their league ? I mean Qatar went and splashed the cash with the WC 2022 in mind. Since the saudis are no longer in contention for the WC 2030, whats their end goal here ?

If they want to rival a league thats similar to the top 5, they would need to have a massive improvement in the quality of local players, of the football and that too for sustained periods. Not just 5-6 years...
Imo, their long term goal is probably to try and create something similar to the IPL in cricket alongside the main domestic league.

Some form of month long franchise competition where players are "sold" at auction and they then return to their domestic clubs upon completion.
 

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There's 100's on death row in the US, it's takes forever to carry out the sentences because of appeals etc, otherwise they'd be running a lot higher numbers, not as many as Saudi but in terms of sentencing it's a lot closer than you'd think
It’s nowhere man that’s the Saudis we know about as well
They’ll be as many executed this year in Saudi as there is in
There's 100's on death row in the US, it's takes forever to carry out the sentences because of appeals etc, otherwise they'd be running a lot higher numbers, not as many as Saudi but in terms of sentencing it's a lot closer than you'd think
Probably 1000s but dating back absolute decades

it wouldn’t be close
 

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Im not sure why the Saudi League is suddenly building their league ? I mean Qatar went and splashed the cash with the WC 2022 in mind. Since the saudis are no longer in contention for the WC 2030, whats their end goal here ?

If they want to rival a league thats similar to the top 5, they would need to have a massive improvement in the quality of local players, of the football and that too for sustained periods. Not just 5-6 years...
It's the Government planning to make the country a leisure and business hub, similar to what Dubai has done, football is just a small part of it
 

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UEFA's FFP rules mean that even the biggest European giants simply won't be able to compete with the Saudi League. It's not a level playing field.
 

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UEFA's FFP rules mean that even the biggest European giants simply won't be able to compete with the Saudi League. It's not a level playing field.
FFP or not it's never been a level playing field even within Europe
 

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I don't think it's been mentioned much, but the contracts these players are signing are short. SMS, Neves, Fofana, Jota, all have contracts until 2026. They could leave on a free in three years, or for a smaller fee in 2025.

A comparable example is Alex Witsel, who signed a 3-year contract with a chinese club and came back to Europe after 1.5 years.
Wonder what's going to happen in 2026.
 

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No. They don’t have “trillions” to spend on footballers. They have an investment fund responsible for diversifying their economy away from oil to generate alternative revenues. They aren’t going to spend all of that - or anywhere close to that - on football.
They'll spend whatever the feck they want on football if it achieves their aims.

You're right that trillions is probably an exaggeration but they'll spend billions on it if they have to. They'll need to for players/people to go there and play in/watch the league or for it to be prime time everywhere else.
 

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They need a league stacked with players for it to make the sort of impact they want. Right now the number is 14, but it could rise (depending on Mbappe). However, that isn't anywhere near enough.

With a 16 team league, 14 players are still only a fraction of the 320+ total players in the league. 14 players does not make a league fun to watch.
 

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I’m Saudi and I thought my perspective may be relevant to the discussion.

First of all, I’m part of a very small minority here who only follow European football (only United matches really, don’t have much time for anything else) but I think I can speak about football community in Saudi.

Saying Saudis love football is in by itself an understatement. Football is most Saudis favorite hobby, sport and TV Show (mostly men, but women have also lately joined the fun). Almost everyone you meet follows a team (some with burning passion, so much so it’s illegal to ensue sport rivalries by speaking ill about other teams in a sports channel or a public forums).

There are 4 big teams in the league (from Riyadh, Al Hilal and Al Nasser, from Jeddah, Al Ahli and Al Ittehad).

Al Hilal is the most decorated team winning Asian equivalent of champions league several times. But locally, competition is always fierce and it’s hard to predict who will win.

I personally don’t like state backed football clubs (be it Saudi backed or otherwise). I think it sucks all the fun out of it. But that ship have sailed and I don’t think we’ll go back to the good old days any time soon.

Saudi national team have always underachieved in the World Cup. I believe this is part of the reason for the recent trend of getting expert great players who can share experience with Saudi players. I don’t know what exactly is the endgame of all these transfers, but knowing my country in the past 5 years, everything is actually part of a bigger plan put in advance. Saudi always plans with a 2030 horizon for everything.

is it sport washing?
I hate the term, I do believe that Saudi is promoting itself through sports (don’t see anything wrong in that as long as the competition is fair -which currently isn’t but not because of Saudi alone-).

I do believe there’s a grander plan for everything we’re seeing. It could be developing the National team, improving the sports infrastructure and even tackling obesity by getting more people into sports (alongside diversification of the economy, attracting tourists, getting more revenues, better global image…etc.)

Saudi before and after 2017 aren’t the same countries (I know because I left the country to the west not planning to come back as I lost hope in Saudi’s future, but came back in 2017 as I liked the country new direction).

Saudi is very serious about diversifying the economy before 2030 and thus, every single coin it spends is planned ahead and calculated based on a concrete strategy and clear objectives.

will this spending continue?
who knows, all I’m sure of is that there’re concrete and clear KPIs that need to be achieved, and there’re plan B and C for every scenario we can think of. Even if it fails, Saudi know when to pull the plug and try something else. Keep in mind that the main investor behind all these clubs (including Newcastle) is the Saudi Sovereign fund that has clear financial KPIs (announced). It has to get ROI sooner or later (probably before 2030).
 
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Im not sure why the Saudi League is suddenly building their league ? I mean Qatar went and splashed the cash with the WC 2022 in mind. Since the saudis are no longer in contention for the WC 2030, whats their end goal here ?
Aren't they?
 

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The bigger question you need to ask yourselves is this :-

After LIV Golf stealing a 1/3 of golf's most talented players and paying them handsomely for their services, and after a seemingly coordinated attempt to fast-track the Saudi league into the big-time by hoovering up prime talent not yet past their sporting peaks, does it stop there, or does it transition to the Saudi's hoovering up the NBA's top talent and the NFL's top talent in the future? They've got the money to start Saudi leagues in any sport and they've got the capital to hit the ground running stealing the talent to make it work.
 

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With respect to the OP they are filing their squads up with players on last legs and absolute guff that are willing to chase that big final pay check.

I said in another thread they are restricted to 8 foreigners per squad. That’s about 160 all in. About 20 are already gone to deadwood players.

until they buy and retain top drawer talent it’s nothing more than a retirement league
It's not necessarily the top draw talent we need to worry about. It's those players than are the beat of the other teams that male our PL so competitive that we need to worry about I think.
 

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It's never going to replace the premier league. Money is a huge factor, but realistically most top players want to play at historic big clubs. That will very likely never change bar a massive uefa shakeup such as the super League.
Serie A says hello.The biggest league is the one with the most money, and that’s where top players go.
 

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It's not necessarily the top draw talent we need to worry about. It's those players than are the beat of the other teams that male our PL so competitive that we need to worry about I think.
I don’t see any of those purchased from PL teams so far being crucial to the PL

and don’t start me on the so called coaches hired so far
 

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That's mainly well-off Americans who buy luxury European goods and take expensive European vacations. It has more to do with it being a status symbol than it comes from Europe. The average American has very little interest in visiting Europe or learning about its culture, which is a shame as far as I'm concerned.

On the other hand, the American film, tv, and music industry are ubiquitous around the world.
Yeah British music and TV is barely known.
 

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I don’t see any of those purchased from PL teams so far being crucial to the PL

and don’t start me on the so called coaches hired so far
Sorry, It hasn't necessarily happened yet but it's what I could see happening moreso than the elite level talents.
 

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Once one of these teams lobbies UEFA to get into the CL is when it all changes.
 

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They've took Telles and may take Bailly.

Imagine, just imagine if they took Martial and Maguire too.

That's strengthening our squad in my opinion.
Exactly. There's so many stupid contracts in the Premier league that losing some of the players can only be a good thing.
 

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I get the sense that this won't be like China a few years ago, or Russia a few years before that. Money talks and the Saudis have more than enough to challenge European clubs for top players for the foreseeable.
 

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I imagine it'll generally just be rich people wanting to play with their expensive toys.... don't see how the league can ever become "mainstream." It would take them filling up at least 50-60% of their leagues starting players with players from England, Spain, Germany, etc... and then at that point, it'll just be squads like "Manchester United versus Chelsea," except the names will be "Al Nassr vs Al Hilal."


Cliff notes:

if they spend enough money over time, they can just buy a league (the players / coaches in it) and then it'll just be a rebranding of the team/league name.

I don't think this will happen though
 

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I mean its more than arguable that most of the greatest bands of all time are British so yeah levels to this really
Film and tv perhaps but No way with music.
With rock bands, UK might have it, but US has produced bands like Metallica and Beach Boys (not rock but still). However, the US has music icons that span every genre: Elvis, Madonna, Whitney Houston, Prince, Michael Jackson, Johnny Cash, Jimi Hendricks, Tupac, Biggie, Wu-Tang, etc.
 

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One thing I don't understand is the complaints. It's basically what the PL did to become the best league in the world. Why was it OK for our league to spend money to attract top talent, but it's not OK for the Saudis to do the same.

It's also why I don't get the short sightedness of people saying it'll never take off. In less than 1 year since they began signing players, they could have potentially footballs young golden boy playing there. This assault to attract top players isn't going to stop within 12-24 months so the next 2 summers will see more and more players attracted as the league gains popularity with each new player that joins.
 

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In less than 1 year since they began signing players, they could have potentially footballs young golden boy playing there.
There hasn't been the slightest indication from Mbappe that he intends to move there.

Again: let's distinguish hype from reality. The reality is they've signed a little over a dozen players, many of them 30+ years old, on relatively short contracts. Every day we hear about offers to X, Y, and Z but many of them don't materialize / are rejected / aren't real.
 

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Im not sure why the Saudi League is suddenly building their league ? I mean Qatar went and splashed the cash with the WC 2022 in mind. Since the saudis are no longer in contention for the WC 2030, whats their end goal here ?

If they want to rival a league thats similar to the top 5, they would need to have a massive improvement in the quality of local players, of the football and that too for sustained periods. Not just 5-6 years...
Google ‘Vision 2030’