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Club Sale | It’s done!
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I don't think that is likely, not after the way the GMP reacted to the Liverpool protest.
When we get the official announcement that they are staying on, there will of course be protests, but I don't expect it to escalate to match abandonment.
We had so much positive news from supposedly reliable sources regarding a sale come out which amounted to nothing.
So why believe a negative piece of news would be real? I think this is more conjecture and speculation. Nobody really knows what's going on behind the scenes.
So why believe a negative piece of news would be real? I think this is more conjecture and speculation. Nobody really knows what's going on behind the scenes.
Theres 1 person on the planet willing to pay 5B for the club. There’s no consortium, no state fund, no chance that anybody goes anywhere near 10b we are stuck with these parasites forever if thats what they’re holding out for.
I absolutely believe that United is no longer for sale, but I do also think that:
A: This article is mostly based on guesswork.
B: The Glazers will never get a bigger offer for the club.
The reason for B is that we're very clearly on a downward trajectory as a club. Yes we have a manager that might do ok given his unfortunate circumstances, but we have terrible infrastructure, no investment and no knowledge of football within the ownership and higher up positions to fix the problems.
I've mentioned this before, but where I live, I had never seen a City shirt until a few years ago. Now they're everywhere, and it's becoming far less common to see United shirts. This is especially true with younger fans. I'll still see plenty of Liverpool, Arsenal even, but way less United ones. A while back I did some work in a local school and they had a sports-themed day where kids could wear sports kits or shirts. The amount of City shirts was shocking!
It's a matter of time before City are universally accepted as the bigger club. Fanbase is all we really have left other than history, and that's changing. The more years we spend looking foolish, being boring on the pitch and making ridiculous mistakes with the club, the more our value will naturally drop. Without new investment there's not really a way of changing this. The Glazers will come to regret not selling I reckon... Though I'm sure they'll rip enough money out of the club in the meantime to make them happy while we take Spurs rejects on loan because we're broke.
A: This article is mostly based on guesswork.
B: The Glazers will never get a bigger offer for the club.
The reason for B is that we're very clearly on a downward trajectory as a club. Yes we have a manager that might do ok given his unfortunate circumstances, but we have terrible infrastructure, no investment and no knowledge of football within the ownership and higher up positions to fix the problems.
I've mentioned this before, but where I live, I had never seen a City shirt until a few years ago. Now they're everywhere, and it's becoming far less common to see United shirts. This is especially true with younger fans. I'll still see plenty of Liverpool, Arsenal even, but way less United ones. A while back I did some work in a local school and they had a sports-themed day where kids could wear sports kits or shirts. The amount of City shirts was shocking!
It's a matter of time before City are universally accepted as the bigger club. Fanbase is all we really have left other than history, and that's changing. The more years we spend looking foolish, being boring on the pitch and making ridiculous mistakes with the club, the more our value will naturally drop. Without new investment there's not really a way of changing this. The Glazers will come to regret not selling I reckon... Though I'm sure they'll rip enough money out of the club in the meantime to make them happy while we take Spurs rejects on loan because we're broke.
The Daily Mail are having a laugh straight to the bank with the amount of activity a negative press get from Man Utd fans.
Also, I'd love to know who all the "better than Qatar taking over" people think are gonna come up with £10b... fan consortium? Fairy godmother?
"They still think we're serious about selling!"
If true, this 100% guarantees that state ownership is the only realistic future for the club. Its not as if there was a long line of other options queuing up to match a £5-6b valuation.
Again, if true (and I suspect it is), I'd say two things influencing it are 1. The recent influx of Saudi money and the impact that's going to have in the next couple of years, and, 2. A gamble on Qatars determination to make themselves permanently relevant.
In the meantime the shitshow continues.
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Because his credibility would add enormous weight to the condemnation.
Point 1 is key here, I reckon. The Saudis are raining money on the football world and the Glazers will fancy getting their hands on some of it in the next couple of years.
But my point is that it’s not keeping us out of state ownership, it’s now ensuring it.
2025 isn’t even that far away so this result (if true) is stupidly short term. Now we’ll have bidders that are only state funded in 15 months.
Great news
So what happens in 2-3 years when they put the club on the market wanting £10 billion, but 'only' get bids of £7-8 billion? They push it on again to 2028 as they think there will be growth in the game and so will then value the club at £12 billion, and so on.. it has to end somewhere, and the fact it's got this far makes me think this is the time still.
They won't be able to take dividends for a good while, refinancing the debt will be very expensive, the stadium issue can only be ignored for so long, and will ultimately cost more the sort out the longer it is left, and then there's the massive backlash they are going to get from fans if they do this, sponsors will think long and hard about been associated with us if things get really toxic, and there is also the fact the sale process has been so bad, who will really want to get involved if they pull the plug and start the whole thing again in 2 years time whilst setting an unrealistic price tag right from the off, SJR and Qatar are unlikely, so that's the only two proper bidders they've ever had gone right from the off, etc, etc.
Plus the fact they aren't getting any younger, the whole point in buying United in the first place was the grow the assest and then cash out, they've done this better than they could ever have have hoped of doing, so it makes no sense to now wait a while longer given the risks involved.
And that's 10b in pounds too!
$12.5 billion equivalent would make it 3.5 billion more than the freaking WWE sold for.
Even with a Super League they aren't getting that!
Just my opinion but I think this sale is done and will be announced soon. Haven’t people learned not to take ANYTHING the Daily Fail says seriously?!
It was the daily fail 24 hours ago. Suddenly they are the bastion of truth and journalism!
So when you write S J R without the spaces between, it automatically changes it to SJR now.
Very smart.
Very smart.
To be fair, it has looked like the most likely outcome for a while. They do say an international break is a good time to bury bad news - perhaps we'll hear something official this week.
They care more about what other people think of the team they support and want the club to act according to them not getting any shit from anyone.
Great stuff on Sky Sports news about the United situation, he’s right it should never have been allowed to happen. Basically United is Glazers cash cow.
Don't give a feck about what other fans think, most of them are either: 1.too young and don't understand the issues coming with state ownership and blood money 2. uninformed 3. don't care about the moral issues.
Most of us that don't want Qatar are scared for Manchester United becoming a soulless entity with its history tainted forever, not what 16 year olds on Twitter will have to say about it.
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BeIn Sports employee Gary Neville is not having any of it. Rio will be along shortly to collaborate.
In fairness, they are probably right, but have sold themselves out, the former especially. Sad to see.
There's a good reason why such solidarity is not happening this time: Sportswashing. We all know sportswashing is worse than leveraged buyout hostile takeovers. We all know it is wrong. We all know the arguments in favour are untenable and broken easily upon scrutiny.
This is what Sky need to be discussing in depth. All other media outlets included. It's what the so-called '1958' and MUST should be protesting with great fervour. It's why supporters against sportswashing must stay and fight for the club's identity, also.
Yet, here we are. Waiting fervently for sportswashing to win so we can 'move on'. It's truly pathetic and the true lasting legacy of the Glazers.
In fairness, they are probably right, but have sold themselves out, the former especially. Sad to see.
When it was happening, supporter groups from other clubs expressed solidarity. Liverpool included. Journalists, too. Everybody knew it was wrong and should not be allowed. Of course there were plenty laughing at United's plight, but they too knew.
There's a good reason why such solidarity is not happening this time: Sportswashing. We all know sportswashing is worse than leveraged buyout hostile takeovers. We all know it is wrong. We all know the arguments in favour are untenable and broken easily upon scrutiny.
This is what Sky need to be discussing in depth. All other media outlets included. It's what the so-called '1958' and MUST should be protesting with great fervour. It's why supporters against sportswashing must stay and fight for the club's identity, also.
Yet, here we are. Waiting fervently for sportswashing to win so we can 'move on'. It's truly pathetic and the true lasting legacy of the Glazers.
Valid concerns, however one could argue we've already become a soulless entity with tainted history, with a lack of infrastructural investment and the board's determination to trip over its own balls at every opportunity (see the Greenwood debalcle) emblematic of the rot pushing the club to a decline into mediocrity and irrelevance.
I totally buy the concerns over state ownership but I do understand why some would choose our club having some hope for a future over none.
Relax the article is bullshit.
Most likely a counter story coming soon I’d expect.
Shit post. We don't want the club to be connected by Qatar. Simple as that. You can cry all you like, but I like to stick by my moral code. I don't want them anyway near our club.We've been through this for months now.
I meant off market
“Specialists in failure”
Glazer sympathisers happy with the current state of the club is laughable.
I don’t know how you’re not embarrassed at us scrapping around to do a loan deal for Amrabat on the last day of the window when the Glazers had the option to invest up to £90m so we could get around FFP issues?
But the fact that they didn’t is enough for me to know they’re still selling.
Glazer sympathisers should leave with the Glazers..it won’t be long now.
Glazer sympathisers happy with the current state of the club is laughable.
I don’t know how you’re not embarrassed at us scrapping around to do a loan deal for Amrabat on the last day of the window when the Glazers had the option to invest up to £90m so we could get around FFP issues?
But the fact that they didn’t is enough for me to know they’re still selling.
Glazer sympathisers should leave with the Glazers..it won’t be long now.
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I am categorically glad about any development that means we are not being bought by Qatar, so I hope this is true.
It's not true
Not having that.
Fans like me were stood outside OT in August 2005 warning how bad the Glazers were but not enough listened because Fergie said they were OK.
United becoming state owned would be the final nail in the coffin for top level football in this country.
What do you think of the argument that this development, if true, makes state ownership more likely down the road?
The Greenwood situation has been a disgrace. Agree with that.
Still, comparing the 18 years of mismanagement and neglect by the Glazers to a despotic regime taking over the club for decades (at least) is an argument that's been brought up against my opinions many times by now and I'm too tired to go into it again...if that's what you're getting at.
The Glazers are 6 individuals, Qatar is a horrendous state. You can't compare the levels of evil in this case.
They will never be a bigger club.
Yes, I guess I figure that too.
Can you elaborate on how this argument goes, or point me to posts that elaborate it? (apologies if I missed previous posts about this, it is hard to keep up)
Err Jassim is one guy who has done nothing wrong that I know of in his life. But yeh let’s paint every Qatari with one brush.
Has this user been banned? Guessing because it was @Wumminator ’s second account
Do you really think a person of great morals has upwards of 10 billion lying around?
Whoever buys the club will likely have morality(maybe even severe) question marks. It's the way the world is.
We're not going to get bought by a saint.
Football is already dead. You need to accept that United FC is also dead.
It's long gone beyond the point of no return.
If we assume that the Glazers will eventually sell, then bumping up the cost even further is going to inevitably price out even the wealthiest private bidders. In other words, and assuming this report is true, those opposed to state ownership should probably be lamenting the failure of Ratcliffe’s bid rather than celebrating the failure of Qatar’s.
If they announce they are staying I can see something happening similar to the reaction of the European super league, fans have had enough.
Personally it’s not who I prefer to take us over at this point, it’s just that these leeches leave, and sooner the better
Personally it’s not who I prefer to take us over at this point, it’s just that these leeches leave, and sooner the better
That's really not true though. Most oil rich clubs have achieved feck all, it's just City that have been a success in part due to Pep as they struggled before him.
We've had a few years of pain recently, most clubs go through decades of relegation and fighting in the lower divisions. Facing financial woes and whether they'll actually exist as a footballing club.
Calling us a dead club is just a coping mechanism so you can put your morals in a box and accept the big money. Weird how the box was opened for Mason and yet when it comes to a state backed bid from a country that represses based on gender, wealth and sexual orientation the box is closed.
Weird huh?
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