Erik ten Hag vs Sancho

[No Idea For Nickname]

An example of the kind of player we need to get out of the club. We should try and get rid of him in January to a Saudi team.

Why January, their transfer window is still open for 20ish days.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I like Antony (as a footballer…) a lot but I’d say Sancho is definitely much better in attacking transitions. It isn’t something Antony is very good at. If it’s a 4 on 3 I’d far rather sancho have the ball than Antony.

Oh yeah, I agree. That’s what I was getting at with the “eye for a creative pass” thing. Probably should have said that his decision making is better. My main point was that Antony brings more to the party than just tracking back. And there’s stuff he does when in possession of the football much better than Sancho.

 

[Andycoleno9]

I feel like I’m going mad here. Is there a quote I missed? Or are people straight up lying?

On his performance on training we didn't select him. You have to reach the level every day at Manchester United.

It is really obvious what he meant with that quote. Only difference is that he chose those words instead "he is shit in training". We can argue is it a right or wrong move but he DID threw Sancho under the bus. He went full Mourinho.

 

[dubplate warrior]

Why January, their transfer window is still open for 20ish days.

Didn't realise that! Would be a good shout and mean that Amad could play more games on the right. Any idea on his return date?

Amad may not be any better, but I'd like him to have a chance.

 

[Jakoby]

I don't know what's there to gain for either side to make such a spat public.

ETH didn't handle the question the best in my humble opinion. He could have just said this is the team that was picked based on what I thought gives us the best chance of winning the match, might look different next week. Didn't have to throw Sancho under the bus like that. And JS should stay out of Twitter/X with that stuff. He's from a different generation than an old fart like me so maybe that's how things are just done these days, but still. Confront the coach before the training and ask what that was about but don't go shouting online.

Overall a very poorly handled situation by both sides.

 

[Frank White]

Oh yeah, I agree. That’s what I was getting at with the “eye for a creative pass” thing. Probably should have said that his decision making is better. My main point was that Antony brings more to the party than just tracking back. And there’s stuff he does when in possession of the football much better than Sancho.

Does he? Like what if you don't mind me asking?

 

[horsechoker]

So it's Antony's fault for the last 12 months...how about the season before that?

Who was to blame then?

Paul Pogba

 

[Pogue Mahone]

On his performance on training we didn't select him. You have to reach the level every day at Manchester United.

It is really obvious what he meant with that quote. Only difference is that he chose those words instead "he is shit in training". We can argue is it a right or wrong move but he DID threw Sancho under the bus. He went full Mourinho.

You’ve misunderstood my point. I agree he said that Sancho isn’t playing well enough in training. The craziness is Sancho (and loads of people on here) creating this weird myth that he said Sancho wasn’t trying hard enough in training. Those are two very different meanings.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Does he? Like what if you don't mind me asking?

Not really the Antony thread but he’s very good at carrying the ball deep into opposition territory and retaining possession when he gets there. His hold up play is also streets ahead of Sancho.

 

[RedOrange]

Why January, their transfer window is still open for 20ish days.

We probably don't have room for an accounting loss like that for FFP. I think Sancho, Maguire and van de Beek will all be gone next summer when the 20/21 season drops out of the 3 year FFP window.

 

[Stacks]

Saudi window still open. Ta ra

thats a big shout!

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Let's put it this way.

Antony never afraid of tackles but I have seen Sancho pulled out of tackles for many 50:50 balls.

Antony always sprint back to help defence but I have seen Sancho jog back for defence.

Based on only the two qualities above, it's already very clear why ETH made the statement.

I back the manager 100% here.

 

[Irwin99]

Evans the CB who got on the field, and Gore and Hannibal who play in positions where there was a chance they might be called upon considering how thin the squad is in midfield and the risk of injuries and cards are in that area you mean?

Sancho was actually competing with Garnacho for a substitute wing appearance who got on the pitch, is in good form, and has come on as a late game winning sub before, making his non selection much more of a non story.

Sancho can also play as a false 9 and it just seems telling to me that he couldn't even get ahead of the likes of Pelistri, Hannibal and Gore as a player to turn the match. He's on 250K a week and cost 80 million and can't get on the bench. To me that's worrying and it's worth a conversation about why this is happening.

 

[Dobba]

Love the talking heads complaining that it hasn't been done behind closed doors as if this has only happened during this week. Doing it behind closed doors clearly hasn't done anything, so have some embarrassment and see if that bucks your ideas up.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Sancho can also play as a false 9 and it just seems telling to me that he couldn't even get ahead of the likes of Pelistri, Hannibal and Gore as a player to turn the match. He's on 250K a week and cost 80 million and can't get on the bench. To me that's worrying and it's worth a conversation about why this is happening.

A short conversation to be fair. Why is this happening? Because he’s been shit for absolutely ages.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Sancho can also play as a false 9 and it just seems telling to me that he couldn't even get ahead of the likes of Pelistri, Hannibal and Gore as a player to turn the match. He's on 250K a week and cost 80 million and can't get on the bench. To me that's worrying and it's worth a conversation about why this is happening.

He is on 350k, which make it look even worst.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

A bit over-dramatic, I think.

But to be fair, SAF would have tried to sell Sancho already, considering how shit he has been here.

He would never have bought him in the first place. I remember he (and the club) used to do their due diligence before signing a player. He's got a history of this stuff with City, Bayern and England. Football seems to be too much effort for him. He's happy to take the 350k a week though mind.

 

[Revan]

He would never have bought him in the first place. I remember he (and the club) used to do their due diligence before signing a player. He's got a history of this stuff with City, Bayern and England. Football seems to be too much effort for him. He's happy to take the 350k a week though mind.

I kind of agree, that most players SAF signed had good mentality. Sancho does not have one.

However, going against the manager/club in public was tolerated by SAF if you were a good player. Scholes refused to play and came back a week later, Rooney questioned the ambition of the club and got rewarded with a bumper contract, Ronaldo compared himself with a slave and we practically begged him to stay for another season.

But the issue is that Sancho is not Scholes, Rooney and Ronaldo. He is closer to a 75m Obertan. And when you are as useless as he has been, I think the right thing is to shut the feck up, train harder and get back in the team. Saying that, I think he was ok in pre-season, and probably deserved to play ahead of Martial and Antony, so for just a bit, I can understand his frustration. Standard are good, but should be for everyone.

To be fair, I think that Pellestri has more reasons to complain than Sancho. He definitely hasn't got a fair chance despite looking decent in the few minutes he has got.

 

[Irwin99]

A short conversation to be fair. Why is this happening? Because he’s been shit for absolutely ages.

No arguments there but thinking about it, I can only assume the club wanted to move away from a more rapid fire counter attack system when we bought him because they must have known he's slow, can't beat a man and can rarely last 90 mins if you want to play a high intensity game. As i said before, and would love to be corrected if wrong, but he didn't even start that much under Ole IIRC.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

I kind of agree, that most players SAF signed had good mentality. Sancho does not have one.

However, going against the manager/club in public was tolerated by SAF if you were a good player. Scholes refused to play and came back a week later, Rooney questioned the ambition of the club and got rewarded with a bumper contract, Ronaldo compared himself with a slave and we practically begged him to stay for another season.

But the issue is that Sancho is not Scholes, Rooney and Ronaldo. He is closer to a 75m Obertan. And when you are as useless as he has been, I think the right thing is to shut the feck up, train harder and get back in the team. Saying that, I think he was ok in pre-season, and probably deserved to play ahead of Martial and Antony, so for just a bit, I can understand his frustration. Standard are good, but should be for everyone.

To be fair, I think that Pellestri has more reasons to complain than Sancho. He definitely hasn't got a fair chance despite looking decent in the few minutes he has got.

I didn't argue against the second part. Like you said, Fergie would keep you around if you were still useful to the team and bin you off if he thought you weren't. He was incredibly ruthless in that respect. I think he retired at the right time in all honesty as the modern footballer is even more pampered.

It feels like football is interfering with this guys social life / video gaming.

 

[Cassidy]

No arguments there but thinking about it, I can only assume the club wanted to move away from a more rapid fire counter attack system when we bought him because they must have known he's slow, can't beat a man and can rarely last 90 mins if you want to play a high intensity game. As i said before, and would love to be corrected if wrong, but he didn't even start that much under Ole IIRC.

Or the club was just a mess and didn't plan its transfers well
He is not the first signing made that was at odds with the playing style e.g Maguire
Not to mention the obvious issues with his attitude when the club were claiming that they were performing a cutrual reset and Ole had every signings backgrounds check to make sure they fit the culture.
Which basically just meant we had an English/British first transfer policy

 

[Shakesy]

Hah I am relaxed, try not to be a bell in the future

If you think I meticulously trawled through your posts to find that one nugget to nail you with then you are mistaken. I put aside 1 minute of my day, because I read, "I never wanted him in the first place".

So I searched. Not hard. This was never going to be my magnum opus. Scroll, and boom. There it is.

"He's world class, yadda yadda". I laugh. You clearly, very clearly, once wanted to spunk 100m on him. Since then you've evolved. I don't feckin care about the evolution of Marktan's opinion. So, yes. One of us is being a bell. I blame semantics

 

[Pogue Mahone]

No arguments there but thinking about it, I can only assume the club wanted to move away from a more rapid fire counter attack system when we bought him because they must have known he's slow, can't beat a man and can rarely last 90 mins if you want to play a high intensity game. As i said before, and would love to be corrected if wrong, but he didn't even start that much under Ole IIRC.

I’m reasonably sure there was little or no deep thought put into how to get the best out of him. Same as basically every other big money signing over the last decade. He was available, had a high profile and the manager was willing to sign off on the deal. That’s all that was needed.

 

[fallengt]

An example of the kind of player we need to get out of the club. We should try and get rid of him in January to a Saudi team.

He hasn't done shit outside of Dortmund to justify transfer pee + wage.
Why do Saudi clubs want an average player? Unless Neymar has a say in this, he'll stay

 

[Zehner]

Will be so happy when he finally gets a fresh start somewhere else. This transfer has been nothing short of a trainwreck for all parties.

 

[Cheimoon]

This is a million pages back by now, but:

But this is a squad that had Martial, Evans & Maguire in it today. Can you really tell me they are up to the same standard and are up to the 'Man Utd level' every day in training? Absolutely not.

First, we don't know how these people train. Maybe they do really work their butts off to no end every day. And second, obviously Evans and Maguire are not competition for Sancho on the bench - cause if Ten Hag would have selected Sancho instead of Evans, the final CB pairing would have been Maguire-Sancho yesterday. Yeah, I don't think so.

(Obviously, Ten Hag would have moved things around and not actually played Sancho there, but anyway!)

This is poor man management if you ask me. It seems to me ten hag doesn't have great interpersonal skills as he's fallen out with Ronaldo and now Sancho. Antony had a stinker against Wolves and never matched the required level of a manchester player in that game, then was selected against spurs.

This hasn't been just you, but I don't get the comparison with, or the criticism of, the Ronaldo situation. That falling out was fully one-sided, and can only be blamed on Ronaldo. Ten Hag was only ever positive about Ronaldo, but the clash was inevitable no matter what, since Ronaldo didn't except being an impact (or last-minute) substitute - and he had to be. Ten Hag didn't once say about Ronaldo what he said about Sancho yesterday (which was anyway also extremely mild in the full context of his comment).

 

[Judas]

I was so excited for this transfer. Personally right up there as one of our worst most disappointing ever signings, certainly look like there isn’t a redemption arc on the cards now either.

 

[Katy Cat]

He's done and we need to get rid. But that's going to be messy and drawn-out.

I just think Sancho is another embodiment of what we'll call 'Late Glazernomics', where the fractures from years of dereliction - around executives, recruitment strategy and so on, all part of creating a coherent, progressive, competitive, model - are becoming more and more obvious. He's got talent but reeks of a player who sees it all as a bit of 'job', there to fund a lifestyle and totally lacking in the mentality we need.

He also seems to have a history at City and BVB, which I think might have put others off, as let's face it, there wasn't serious competition at the time he signed.

Sure, we see flops elsewhere but well-run clubs tend to avoid them, or at least keep them to a minimum (Pepe at Arsenal is an obvious exception), because they have experienced, professional people in key recruitment / decision making roles. We don't seem to operate any credible due diligence, we've been horribly needy to be seen to sign players we can 'style' and we hand too many of them ludicrous contracts.

Who do we think is going to offer him anything like ~£350K pw? Sheesh.

 

[spontaneus1]

I like Antony (as a footballer…) a lot but I’d say Sancho is definitely much better in attacking transitions. It isn’t something Antony is very good at. If it’s a 4 on 3 I’d far rather sancho have the ball than Antony.

Disagree, Antony can mess them up by failing the pass, Sancho slows the game down and ponders too much so the chance also goes- just in a less obvious way.

 

[Eleven-Eighteen]

I thought what ETH said was very benign. No need to escalate the situation as Sancho has done.

This.

ETH simply said that Sancho wasn't picked because he didn't earn his place in training, meaning that other wingers out-performed him in training. Sancho's reply was an escalation.

 

[mav_9me]

You can hardly expect Sancho to show a response on the pitch, in training or in games. So unless that unlikely possibility comes about, he is done.

 

[Bastian]

Paul Parker saying Sancho should be worried about the dressing room. People won't want to get too close to him now as he's a problem and they wouldn't want to be associated with him.

Add to that his camp mentioning Antony and double standards, he's just gone and burned down his United career. If we can get rid without having to subsidise his wages he'll have done us a favour, much like Ronnie last year.

 

[Drizzle]

He's done and we need to get rid. But that's going to be messy and drawn-out.

Not if a Saudi club comes in for him now. Their window doesn't shut for a couple of weeks, handily.

Who do we think is going to offer him anything like ~£350K pw? Sheesh.

See above!

 

[mav_9me]

I thought what ETH said was very benign. No need to escalate the situation as Sancho has done.

I actually don't think what ETH said matters. If you want to give a response, you get plausible deniabilty by getting it out thru agent to journalists with an article saying sources close to Sancho feel he is hard done by etc. And then show it on the pitch.

Now by going public against the manager directly, he only has 2 options, public apology or raise your game so much to become undroppable. Neither of which are happening. So he will just collect his paycheck.

 

[BluesJr]

I knew he’d flop after one game. No speed.

 

[Swordsman]

There's no way he'd go to the Saudi league at 23 years old.

There'd be a dozen clubs in Europe who would be desperate for him if he left and could pay him a big wage.

He could go back to Dortmund on a free transfer..

 

[Ahmer Baig]

Why January, their transfer window is still open for 20ish days.

Saudi window closes on 7 Sep.

 

[Castia]

Get rid of the shitter

He’s fecking crap

 

[NewGlory]

Sancho can also play as a false 9 and it just seems telling to me that he couldn't even get ahead of the likes of Pelistri, Hannibal and Gore as a player to turn the match. He's on 250K a week and cost 80 million and can't get on the bench. To me that's worrying and it's worth a conversation about why this is happening.

He is on much more, £350K/week. He has literally been one of the highest-paid players in EPL and the world and has done feck all of nothing for us, in grand scheme of things. Except he just attacked the manager who gave him 2mo recovery break to train in Netherlands, last year. That is more than £2Mil paid not paying for us, in the middle of season and us trying to get him into better place. Zero gratitude

I am so done with Sancho. I wish we could get rid of him, but nobody will buy this overpaid, petulant brat, and Glazers will never pay him off so we are fecked until we have owners with some balls

 

[Name Changed]

The timing of this is stupid. If ETH wanted rid of Sancho, then they should have done it by now. Criticising him in the media after the transfer deadline has finished is just ludicrous.