As ridiculous as the bollocks being spouted about needing to bring him back in the team. You have to question what people see and their memories at times.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
How many people in this thread are demanding he start? It seem the vast majority are just pointing out that he is not as shit as many on here insist every time his name is brought up.
I’m not surprised it makes zero sense to you. The irony is McTominay is one of our “problems”. The fact he is the level we have to drop down to as an alternative to Casemiro when he is unavailable is a major problem. Somehow some of you think he’s going to be some kind of saviour as an attacking midfielder. He isn’t.
Oh the irony. One of the few games Bruno played as a 6 in a double pivot last season at home to Everton was one of his best performances of the season. He was the best player on the pitch.
He really should've started over Weghorst in that #10 role last season.
What people see is that he has been consistently doing well and scoring goals for the national team in a position which is different from what he is playing at the club. Certainly performs better than the 55m midfielder we bought this summer. Based on his performances it isn’t ridiculous to say he deserves a chance in the team. But that will never happen aa ETH will never play him over a player he bought. Just like he does with anthony and pellestri/sancho.
"He deserves regular game time. I wished that was with United, but it's obvious that EtH doesn't rate him as a first XI member."
"I got a lot of abuse on Sunday because I said it was a blatant lie that he was left out due to injury, I think I have been proven correct. I am sad if he has been dropped for not leaving but I would respect the Club more if they were honest about it, MUTV, Club Media and their mates in the Media will always state the party line but as a fan all my life I would appreciate some honesty and not the PR Jargon."
Regarding ETH
"It is possible but for me I do not trust a single word he says anymore, too much lies and cloak and dagger stuff"
"feel sorry that he doesn't play more. Could be very usefull player. He needs confidence and playing more would give him just that"
For scotland
"Dropped a 9.5/10 in that first half. So so good driving forward with the ball. Class player."
"We got lot of players now in that position so he is not going to get lot of games. Unless being tried upfront just to test it but even in that position he isn't going to play. However he is a good player that could do good job. I have no doubt about that. Better what most people think."
" Had he played up top last year I’m convinced he would’ve got into double figures."
"His main attributes are driving forward with the ball. Shooting. And his attacking movement is very underrated."
"I've always said he should be a striker. He's got the natural instincs for it. He can be a hard working link up one given his experience in midfield"
"He’s brilliant for Scotland playing higher up the park. He's a much better player than Mount."
"I think he's an excellent option for Ten Hag over the course of the season especially as an attacking option on the right hand side."
if that isn't a McTominay love in ,what is ?
This is the player that no one thought was worth what we were asking.
To be fair, one thing that he does actually do for United (when not deployed as a holding midfielder), is actually score goals.
And they’ve all been sacked because they were dogshit, maybe if they hadn’t relied on players like McTominay they’d still be at United.
Didn't Ten Hag try that away against Newcastle? The results weren't pretty.
For contrast Bellingham has been even more exceptional for Madrid playing further forward than he typically did/does with Dortmund and England. It happens all the time - players are used slightly differently internationally in a different setup from club and wind up playing contrastingly better or worse. And managers on either side of the poor performances don't make changes because it requires adjustments across the team.
So can United get more out of McTominay in this more advanced role? Probably. Does it affect the already shite balance of our team? Yes. I think Bruno is the major issue/inhibitor here. And you do not shift Bruno to make way for McT
So can United get more out of McTominay in this more advanced role? Probably. Does it affect the already shite balance of our team? Yes. I think Bruno is the major issue/inhibitor here. And you do not shift Bruno to make way for McT
Because he's been nothing but average at best for us. A few good performances for Scotland and people on here think he's the next Toni Kross. How many shite performances do you have to see when he plays for United to realise he isn't good enough for United?
If we ever play a team as bad as Cyprus he can start.
That's the most I've ever seen him run. Rarely ever breaks a jog playing for us.
He'll end up as our right wing.
How many times did you read my post and still not see I wasn't commenting on how good he was?
I was talking about what type of player he is and seeing as he's at the club anyway why not use him in the best way possible. Same goes for all players not matter how good or bad they are.
We have used him in several positions by multiple managers and he has always been lacking the quality needed.
He'll get another chance this season and once again we'll all see that he is a liability on the pitch, even against forest as a sub he was awful.
And our deadwoods is actually a functioning player while playing for other team.
At one time maybe it's our system so shit everyone playing here as if we're space jam
At one time maybe it's our system so shit everyone playing here as if we're space jam
He's been a functional player for us many times. McTominay's shortcomings are a bit exaggerated these days.
Best response yet.
Wonder why we lost our last couple of games....
McTominay maybe?
The simple fact is he isn't a game changer, nor is he a poor player, he is simply a very good player who will fill a hole in the squad and first 11 when we need.
His form for Scotland and also United shows that.
Not hard really.
McTominay is not a very good player.
He for sure isn't "the" problem or a terrible player. But from a squad building standpoint it only makes limited sense to hang on to a player like McTOminay. He is here since a long time, he has been used in few positions and never had a longer run of really good games. He neither is a DM, he isn't great at being a modern 8, he isn't a 10 for sure. He can be useful due to his height and he seems to be a model pro but at the end of the day, he shouldn't take minutes from younger players who have the potential to really establish themselves as 1st team players. McTom won't do it and as long as he isn't happy with being last entry of the pecking order, he should for his own sake change clubs.
Best response yet.
Wonder why we lost our last couple of games....
McTominay maybe?
The simple fact is he isn't a game changer, nor is he a poor player, he is simply a very good player who will fill a hole in the squad and first 11 when we need.
His form for Scotland and also United shows that.
Not hard really.
He is here now so if necessary, we should make use of him but lets act as if a good game against Cyprus is changing things. His minutes should go Mainoo, Meijbri or Gore, give them a try, even if it doesn't work out, at least we know after trying it. Same goes for employing him further forward - there are other players too, that should be used and tried before giving the minutes to McTom. That does sound harsh I know and I really wish him the best, but the sooner we start acting like a top club, the better. If you weren't part of the 1st eleven in the last 12 month and fighting to get back into it or you are a talent that most people expect to get into the starting eleven sooner rather than later than you shouldn't just be kept for numbers sake.
People shitting on Mount after 2 games and apparently he’s not good enough even though he has played for England a team much better than Scotland, yet McTomminey has played over 200 games somehow for United and is nearly 27, and we have seen how utterly mediocre he is on a consistent basis. He’s available for sale apparently yet only West Ham under that dinosaur Moyes are prepared to pay a maximum of £30m for him and there is zero interest from any other club and he’s 7th choice here but hey he’s some how not played in his best position by a succession of managers who apparently rated him yet who all got sacked for being crap.
Talking of ironic, Alanis.
The people who hate Scott McTominay say blindly "he hides from the ball".
When I say that "he isn't a no 6", is that also hidden to these people?
What, you mean the match against Everton where McTominay scored? That match?
Couldn't have been difficult a match as according to some people Scott McTominay covers from the ball and hides under his bed till the ball goes away.
That's actually a fantastic point.
We spend a fortune on a player who scores 6 in the Qualifies. He gets lavished with praise and people get excited.
McTominay scores 6 and "It's only internationals".
There's definitely a bias agenda at work.
He scores a brace against Spain. If Rashford did the same he'd be worth £200m.
But those years the PL was won with 85+ points. Nowadays it's usually 90+ and this specific year looking like it's going to be probably 95+.
It's very unlikely that we were going to win the PL anyway, but to be virtually out of competition by the first month is quite depressing.
Ah right I stand corrected, let’s get the Scottish Zidane in the team for us because Ole and Rangnick loved him
Best response yet.
Wonder why we lost our last couple of games....
McTominay maybe?
The simple fact is he isn't a game changer, nor is he a poor player, he is simply a very good player who will fill a hole in the squad and first 11 when we need.
His form for Scotland and also United shows that.
Not hard really.
Exactly this. He's a squad player for us for now whilst we improve over the next few years. I'm not saying he is quality enough to make the starting 11 in a title winning team but he isn't half as poor as some are making out.
Best response yet.
Wonder why we lost our last couple of games....
McTominay maybe?
The simple fact is he isn't a game changer, nor is he a poor player, he is simply a very good player who will fill a hole in the squad and first 11 when we need.
His form for Scotland and also United shows that.
Not hard really.
I'm looking forward to him finally playing for us free of the number 6 role
Mctominay has consistently been hindered by our lack of 6s for years! Best thing to happen to him is bagging Casemiro and now adding Amrabat
These days? Bruv it's 5 years running.
Operating brilliantly in a double pivot does not make one a 6. To attempt to paint it as if Bruno operated as one in that game is disingenous in the extreme. Up there with pretending Ericksen is one.
Don't fall for it again, for Christ's sake.
He couldn’t have done much worse.
Strange only 1 club was interested in him this summer, and that interest was only half-arsed at best.
This is a player that was wanted by Roma, Bayern, Fulham, Everton, Newcastle and West Ham at various stages during the summer.
United would've been crazy to let him go and that's probably why they haven't. I think they've seen the demand, seen his international performances and had a rethink. We already know that McTominay wants more game-time and so was happy to leave the club. It's clear therefore that the club stopped him moving, maybe the manager too - who knows?
I think we'll see him work his way back into the team personally - the only question is whether that's in place of Antony, in defence or midfield.
United would've been crazy to let him go and that's probably why they haven't. I think they've seen the demand, seen his international performances and had a rethink. We already know that McTominay wants more game-time and so was happy to leave the club. It's clear therefore that the club stopped him moving, maybe the manager too - who knows?
I think we'll see him work his way back into the team personally - the only question is whether that's in place of Antony, in defence or midfield.
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I've said it before and I will say it again. McTominay is NOT a #6. Just like Fred wasn't either. I think that so many of us have PTSD from the McFred midfield and that leads to our bias against him. It also didn't help that last year ETH either played McTominay in the #6 or he played Casemiro. There was rarely a time when they were both on the field at the same time. Personally, I think McTominay is a very capable #8. Should he start every week? No. But I'd rather see him in the midfield in a big game rather than Mount or Erikson. Of course, Amrabat should be the guy who comes in now to partner Casemiro and Bruno. But McTominay could rotate in and do a job off the bench.
We just wanted more money, we didn’t get it. There is no second side to this story, he barely played last season after Casemiro settled and will barely feature this year unless we get hit heavily by injuries.
If anyone had come with a £40m bid that we wanted he’d have gone.
McTominay spawned an odd phenomenon, something along the lines of "Schrödinger's managerial competence".
On the one hand, any criticism of him is often met with the putdown that four managers played him a lot, "do you know more than these experienced professionals?"
These people, however, are usually also adamant he isn't a "six" and he would be a lot better in a role that these four managers didn't really play him. In this case, it is of course fine to know better than these four managers.
On the one hand, any criticism of him is often met with the putdown that four managers played him a lot, "do you know more than these experienced professionals?"
These people, however, are usually also adamant he isn't a "six" and he would be a lot better in a role that these four managers didn't really play him. In this case, it is of course fine to know better than these four managers.
Since you think it’s so disingenuous, how did Mctominay get on when he used to play in a double pivot when it’s not really a 6 in that case? Yeah that’s right, he’s been bang average his whole career with us.
Neither Fred nor Mctominay are 6s for example. For years we paired them together just to take advantage of their work rate and desire to defend. Jack to do with actual aptitude for the 6 position. Heck we've just come off a season in which a fully fit Eriksen was first choice partner for Casemiro in ETHs double pivot. So I KNOW its disingenous....