Rumoured to be after El Ghazi on a free so that meeting today clearly went well 
Erik ten Hag vs Sancho
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We could certainly do with your management expertise right now. Are you free?
Atleast we didn't spend 73m on him. Sancho has been an outright disappointment. Pogba, Maguire, Sancho, Antony, all our big money signings have been terrible. Hope to god, Hojlund turns out better for the money spent.
It's not unsmart management either. Sancho isn't a player we rely on for anything. Sometimes there are players that inevitably get a bit more leeway with things because ultimately they deliver. Shouldn't do, but it happens. Sancho is not in that bracket. He's a perpetual waste of time.
I think it's just a manager throwing out one last ditch attempt to get something out of an underperformer with a difficult attitude. He's tried playing him. He's tried giving him time off to get some perspective and a fresh impetus. What are you actually supposed to do? How many managers give players time off when they're not even physically injured?
The way you describe it is as if there are loads of options available to the manager. The injury situation doesn't change anything at all, bad performances are bad performances. I'm pretty sure Pellistri can put in a bad performance if that's what we need.
If the rumours are true that Jordan Henderson is on 700k a week, then they can afford, Sancho. And i would think that the 300/350k is only with all targets achieved. I'm speculating, but i would think his basic is around 225/250 max.
Let's hope he actually wants to go to Saudi Arabia.
He is well on his way to take Sanchez's place as the worst transfer in the history of the club. Let's see if it happens.
Eh? His numbers at Dortmund were at world class levels. Almost everyone here on the Caf wanted him here.
You are just being captain hindsight.
Sanchez produced 14 G/A in 45 games for United. Sancho has like 11 in 80. I think Sanchez was terrible compared to what we expected, but Sancho is on a whole different level of bad.
IMO it's even more disappointing because we knew Sanchez was on the decline where with Sancho we saw a player who was still years off what should be his peak and at the age where most players see the most accelarated levels of improvement. He hasn't improved whatsoever since joining.
Another 'baller', who cant be bothered running
Are you serious. This guy, on 350k a week, has been gifted an opportunity that many players would give their right arm for. If Erik has tried everything, including a 5 month sabatical, to get him in shape , and he responds like this, you have to wonder where his head is. He’s not been thrown under a bus by Utd - he’s deliberately walked out into the road to be hit by one.
We wont get anything near £50 mill. The buying club will have all the power and we will probably end up with £30 mill at a push. They also wont offer him half the salary that what Utd are paying, so Utd will end up subsidising his wage until his contract would have ended here.
Edit: Unless we get lucky with a Saudi bid and Sancho agrees.
I was reading a book about mindsets. There are two kinds fixed mindset and growth mindset.
Fixed mindset= thinks ability is fixed, doesn't value effort, great when put in situations they excel at, loose all confidence when things don't work out due to self doubts. Blame other people for their shortcomings. See themselves as special and often entitled.
Growth mindset= believes growth come about due to effort and perseverance, willing to learn and improve during challenges, look inward when things aren't working out for them. Know that greatness comes as a result of hardwork.
I feel a few 'youngsters' we've signed over the years fall into the fixed mindset category. Sancho, Pogba, Martial seem to fit there. They seem to play purely on their natural ability and don't show much interest in doing the hard work. I feel Bruno, Rashford who are among our better players seem to be more on the growth mindset category hence they thrive better. They aren't perfect but definitely have the better mentality and don't across as entitled.
Fixed mindset= thinks ability is fixed, doesn't value effort, great when put in situations they excel at, loose all confidence when things don't work out due to self doubts. Blame other people for their shortcomings. See themselves as special and often entitled.
Growth mindset= believes growth come about due to effort and perseverance, willing to learn and improve during challenges, look inward when things aren't working out for them. Know that greatness comes as a result of hardwork.
I feel a few 'youngsters' we've signed over the years fall into the fixed mindset category. Sancho, Pogba, Martial seem to fit there. They seem to play purely on their natural ability and don't show much interest in doing the hard work. I feel Bruno, Rashford who are among our better players seem to be more on the growth mindset category hence they thrive better. They aren't perfect but definitely have the better mentality and don't across as entitled.
There were rumors of him being undisciplined at both City and Dortmund and those are clubs with structure, what was supposed to happen to a lazy player going to a club that rewards mediocrity and has no structure whatsoever?
Did they really? Because I never wanted him here, same as I never wanted Maguire here, both underwhelming big waste of money signings
I feel this is all blown out of proportion.
How is saying he didn't train well enough to be selected for a big game where he's failed to perform time and again alienating Sancho?
Guy is the weakest, meekest, shittiest attacker we've had in ages and that's saying something. He had a 3-month vacation bang in the middle of our busiest season ever and he was shit either side of that paid time off.
The guy is in a ridiculously privileged position. If you want to hear an athlete with the right mentality and perspective, listen to Coco Gauff on what pressure as a multi-million sports star feels like compared to fighting to put food on the table each day.
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nicely done
Sancho should be sold. And that's why it wasn't very smart by ETH to tell everyone in public that "Sancho does not train well". It wouldn't be easy to sell Sancho anyway... but now it is much harder. ETH should know better. He should know how to handle these situations, he is not a young and inexperienced manager.
This guy isn't serious. Doesn't have the mentality to play here. He has little interest in playing or working hard. Hope we get rid as soon as we can. It's a shame, because we're going to lose a lot on him. Probably won't get much more than £30m.
I feel like he see’s this as a good opportunity to step away and not play just like last seasons 3 month break and the dentist treatment in his first year
Massive questions about his professionalism and willingness to give the bare minimum to the game, he acts and plays like he just cant be bothered
Love it.
But I'm not trying to defend Sancho, I'm trying to understand Ten Hag's motivation for saying what he said in public. If he was hoping to motivate Sancho, it appears to have failed catastrophically. If he was hoping to deflect attention from his poor start to the season, focusing the fan's anger on the players and not him, it seems to have succeeded somewhat, given the rage being vented at Sancho every half an hour for the last week or so in this thread.
Hahahahaha. The internet strikes again.
He still has ten Hag in his profile picture on Twitter so maybe they haven’t fully broken up yet.
Absolutely shit and lazy player. Never even looked remotely good for us. Even when people said he played well it was only because he set such a low bar. Guy could barely play a 5 yard pass at the correct weight. We’ll be better off without him, just a shame how much money we spunked up the wall.
I’d sack ETH and Sancho if that turns out to be true.Rumoured to be after El Ghazi on a free so that meeting today clearly went well
His numbers were, his behaviour was not (at least not all the time). I guess United's recruiting team just thought a young player would mature and those problems would just be gone at some point, but obviously they were wrong about Sancho
Certainly not. Weghorst was an entirely different dimension of crap as attacker. Then we had Bebe who was even worse then Weghorst
As poor as Weghorst was, I’m not totally convinced Sancho had a bigger impact on games last season when comparing to Weg.
Sadly but true. At least 1 out of 3 transfers will fail. But the maturity issue is just unacceptable.
Yet another rival fan trying to stir up trouble and divide our fanbase on issues
Will wait for confirmation/corroboration from better sources
Agree.
Never seen a supposed athlete with such a lack of actual strength and conditioning. No pace, incredibly weak, can't dribble, passing is poor.
He's like that skinny fat kid at school who vapes too much.
Then you take his mentality, hilarious to think people want him. His career from here in out will look like the side of a mountain, just a downhill stretch, culminating in multiple "fall from grace" articles.
Be like Pogba but more brutal.
Had high hopes for Sancho like a lot of posters on here, it's such a pity it didn't work out. What a waste of talent.
Can't believe he still hasn't unpinned that tweet. I think he's done essentially and just won't be picked til he leaves in January
He apparently said something similar when Dortmund manager dropped him for reporting late / missing training. He just seems very thin skinned and lacking in drive to me.
They’re our only hope. Worst case would be him moving from loan to loan continuing to be a big burden over our heads like Martial. It’s best to aggressively work to finding a buyer as he doesn’t really have injury issues and did butcher the Bundesliga.
Sancho. Not Ten Hag’s signing. Another player with low quality mentality. I know he was struggling with some things. Ten Hag tried his best to help him. To then turn around and bite the hand that patted you on the back after giving you a 3 month respite is beyond me. No humility, no sense of loyalty, no resilience.
Him, Martial, Maguire… these are all just not good enough. People often overlook personal skills in a player when wanting them at the club.
Ten Hag has made sure he wants that. All his signings are tenacious, disciplined players. That is a culture thing. Something United has lost since Sir Alex and needs time and backing of the manager to rectify.
I look at my midfield now and feel safer knowing the likes of Bruno, Casemiro, Amrabat, Mount are going to be running it.A whole lot of hard work and grit in there.
Sancho nowhere even close. Sulk Boys should be nowhere near this team. This used to be an Arsenal problem! Now look at us?! They had Anelka, Arshavin, Sagny, Wilshere… so many huge talents that just had a bad attitude. This has infected United and it takes a disciplinarian like Ten Hag to flush that out.
Him, Martial, Maguire… these are all just not good enough. People often overlook personal skills in a player when wanting them at the club.
Ten Hag has made sure he wants that. All his signings are tenacious, disciplined players. That is a culture thing. Something United has lost since Sir Alex and needs time and backing of the manager to rectify.
I look at my midfield now and feel safer knowing the likes of Bruno, Casemiro, Amrabat, Mount are going to be running it.A whole lot of hard work and grit in there.
Sancho nowhere even close. Sulk Boys should be nowhere near this team. This used to be an Arsenal problem! Now look at us?! They had Anelka, Arshavin, Sagny, Wilshere… so many huge talents that just had a bad attitude. This has infected United and it takes a disciplinarian like Ten Hag to flush that out.
Don't think his behaviour is really known at that point though? It's a bit like all the Jude Bellingham stories are coming out now he's at Madrid.