Lads…
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 47
- Goals
- 15
- Assists
- 12
- Yellow cards
- 12
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
You’re number fecking one on the list
Yeah that highlights the real issue doesn’t it. Cantona picked the right pass at the right time. He was absolutely phenomenal. He scored so many vital goals, first goals, winning goals at crucial times, regardless of totals. He transformed us into serial winners. But statistically you wouldn’t know that and there are so many people on Redcafe ignoring performance and going purely off random stats.
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Absolutely. Nothing beats the eye tests and assist stats can be odd.
I wasn’t saying this was the case with Bruno, I just meant that’s what could happen in general.
It's not a small number, but this is only based on four games, and most of the midfielders in that list are either central midfielders or defensive midfielders. Most PL teams don't play with a creative attacking midfielder, and it would be a disappointing start from him if he was beaten in key passes by Amadou Onana and Mathias Jensen when creating chances is Bruno's number one strength. I don't really rate key passes high anyway, as they don't necessarily create a high quality of scoring opportunity. If he's at 0.60 xA by the end of the season, I'd be surprised and very impressed.
It is already known that Bruno is one of the most creative players in the league, and he will almost always come out on top of statistics like these.
Since when?
Also he's always at the high end of these stats
Do you honestly disagree here? Name the teams (and player) that play with a creative attacking midfielder.
You repeated exactly what I said.
I'm not going through every PL team because its you who should really provide evidence to back up your statement.
However, the traditional top 6 teams off the top of my head
City (KDB)
Arsenal (Oddegard)
Chelsea (Gallager) probably the only team you could argue out of these who don't even then they do play with a player in the 10 role mainly Gallager atm
Liverpool (Szoboszlai)
Spurs (Maddison)
United (Bruno)
Hilarious.. I spent quite a while scanning for his name until I finally noticed it in the corner
I need to provide evidence to back up my statement that is quite clear to everyone who watches Premier League?
Gallagher isn't a creative attacking midfielder. So, we've got Ødegaard, De Bruyne (injured), Szoboszlai, Maddison and Bruno. I'm going to include Eze and Andreas Pereira in here as well and Foden although City already has been covered. That is 7 teams out of 20. You should also remember that Arsenal, Fulham and Liverpool play a different formation and have their creative midfielder further behind than how Bruno plays for us.
Love a bit of Bruno I do!
Its not clear to everyone at all.
Gallagher is playing as a 10 hes playing the position because they have injuries and Cole Palmer is likely going to take that spot.
Also you have Paqueta at Westham, Buendia at Villa, Gibbs-White at Forrest, Tonali at Newcastle
Its more than half the league overall
You're mentioning a bunch of CMs and players who don't play as attacking midfielder at all. Tonali?
Gallagher is playing next to Enzo Fernandez, which is not attacking midfielder at all. He is also not a creative midfielder, so no idea why you even bother mentioning him. Who is next? Ryan Yates?
He isn't. Tonali is playing the same position as Bruno FernandesYou're mentioning a bunch of CMs and players who don't play as attacking midfielder at all. Tonali?
Gallagher is playing next to Enzo Fernandez, which is not attacking midfielder at all. He is also not a creative midfielder, so no idea why you even bother mentioning him. Who is next? Ryan Yates?
GOAT
You sure?
Don't think so. Would be the first time, he is talked about as an AM. zaafi has a point. I'll give you that positions aren't as easily distinguishable like they may have been in the past. Pretty sure, the user meant that Bruno is in our team predominantly to create chances (which isn't preventing him for contributing on other stuff of course). He isn't really a key player in build-up (except we want to call it buildup when he is spamming "key passes"), nor in defense. Him dropping back a little against the ball doesn't make him a CM. Just like Gallagher not becoming an AM because he pops up in attacks (even though iirc, he played a bit more like an AM for CP). Heatmaps are a pretty good way to display that.
Guess the one game against wrotten Everton did a great job establishing the CM myth for Bruno.
Heatmaps support that as well:
https://www.sofascore.com/de/spieler/sandro-tonali/892673
https://www.sofascore.com/player/bruno-fernandes/288205
https://www.sofascore.com/player/conor-gallagher/904970
The guy who said Odegaard and Szobo plays deeper than Bruno has a point?
Maybe time to check heat map again
The guy who agrees in almost every post that Bruno is a chance creating machine but still moans about the tweet that says exactly that.
Ultimately the current tactical-meta is two hybrid #8 / #10 type players who (through positional rotations) start in the left / right half space and end up wide most of the time when the inside forward comes in.
Bruno solves that just fine for us on the right. Mount will on the left.
Same as Odegaard / Havertz, Szoboszlai / (Jones, Gakpo etc).
Bruno solves that just fine for us on the right. Mount will on the left.
Same as Odegaard / Havertz, Szoboszlai / (Jones, Gakpo etc).
It will take you around 30 seconds to find out that Gallagher has been playing next to Fernandez this season. If you've watched Chelsea this season, you'd know that as well. Newcastle plays 4-3-3 with Joelinton and Tonali ahead of Bruno Guimaraes. It does not mean that either of these two are playing in the same role as Bruno Fernandes or have the same responsibilities. You could play Wan-Bissaka in the same position on the field as Bruno, but it would not make him a creative attacking midfielder.
I don't understand you. You agree with other posters regarding Bruno on the exact same points that I make, but you disagree with me just because you don't like how I post. It's a bit strange, don't you think?
Ødegaard and Szoboszlai play deeper than Bruno in the sense that they're responsible to build up play more than Bruno is. The fact that Bruno runs all over the pitch and helps out in defence does not mean he plays as deep as these players do. Heat maps are just a representation of a player's location, and Ødegaard and Szoboszlai are ahead because Arsenal and Liverpool are more attack-oriented than us and pin the opposition's defence back more often, which is why their heat maps bring them further up the pitch.
It's fine that you don't like me, but disagreeing with me for the sake of it even when it's right is just dumb.
He does. Don't know why you seem so unrelaxed about him seeing things differently to you. If you want, have a look at Szobos heatmap. Even the one from last year in the Bundesliga. It does look differently than Brunos. Plus Liverpool isn't playing with one focal point in attack since ages.
Bruno is a chance creating machine and he is for quite some time. It certainly helps and re-inforces that we are deploying him to do exactly that. Don't know as much about other players as I know Bruno but from the few matches I've seen, there is a difference because, as the user probably meant, not many teams have that one attacking focal point at the AM position as we have.
I don't know what you are talking about, moaning about someone posting Bruno's chance creation stat is what I call as dumb, especially when almost everyone agrees that he is elite at it.
What's even worse is, it's insane that someone makes so many posts defending Mount and as many criticizing Bruno when Bruno is better at almost everything except maybe ball carrying. Can at least see sense and logic in posters who don't rate both of them or rate both of them, so weird.
Maybe you should be relaxed about others having different opinion than you, will save us from wall of nothing text.
Stats posted are for this season, last season heat maps count for nothing.
Expect a stinker against Brighton now from him. He has used all his AAA++ rated batteries against Luxembourg
Quote me where I moaned about his chance creation stat. I found it funny how some of you consistently post stats of him creating a certain amount of chances when that has never been criticised, and posting a graph of him being far ahead of defensive midfielders in terms of expected assists per 90. Maybe watch games he plays in instead of digging up Statman Dave tweets and posting them here.
I'm defending Mount because he gets criticised when he has barely played for us, and posters saying he doesn't offer anything. If Mount consistently plays shit in big games for three years, then I will criticise him too.
Thats why it's hard to take you seriously
Rodri, Rice, Fernandez, Tonali, Sarr, Mac Allister. Some are not purely defensive midfielders, but most on that list is rather defensive minded players, box-to-box or deep lying. Go on, deny it.Thats why it's hard to take you seriously
Odegaard, Maddison, Eze. He is far ahead of everyone.Rodri, Rice, Fernandez, Tonali, Sarr, Mac Allister. Some are not purely defensive midfielders, but most on that list is rather defensive minded players or deep lying. Go on, deny it.
Also hilarious that you can trying to imply that Bruno is playing as attacker when Mount was playing ahead of him and he was the deeper of the 2. It was only when Eriksen plays, Bruno is more attacking one.
Now go on and tell us how Odegaard and Maddison are like Rodri.
Tonali for Newcastle is their main creative midfielder and is playing in an advanced 8 with Guimareas as the holding midfielder and Joelinton more of the box to box ball winner. I don’t think its working and it may change but that is what they have gone with.
Gallagher first started as the holding mid. Then Caiceido has come in and hes been playing as the 10 or the more advanced of the 3 midfielders. By the way Gallagher is actually an attacking mid, thats also where he played
Bruno this season has been either the 10 or playing as an advanced 8 next to Mount
The overall point is though, having an advanced main creative midfielder is not uncommon in the PL and you should just stop pretending it is.
PL's second best chance creator is ahead of other number 10s. Shocking. Unfortunately for us, it is pretty much his only strength other than his work ethic, and it shows in every game.
Tell me which game was Bruno played deeper in midfield? If you did not meant deep midfield and instead meant slightly behind Mount, how is that not as an attacking midfielder?
Passive aggressive masterclass. Picture boy for maturity.Definitely the right thing to bring your lousy mood to strangers on the internet. And please: put me on ignore, would really hurt knowing you feel a sting whenever I make a post.
FYI - my links show heatmaps for the players for all comps and years. But you do you. Don't want this to get too long for you
If Szobo, Odegaard are deeper players then how is Bruno not? Hint - none of them play deeper midfield role, if anything heat map shows Bruno playing more deeper than Odegaard.
At least have consistent argument that all of them are AMs or CMs, don't just make up things to suit your agenda.
One more nothing post, maybe you should stop with with passive aggressive shit if you don't want strangers on internet react the same way to you.
Definitely the right thing to bring your lousy mood to strangers on the internet. And please: put me on ignore, would really hurt knowing you feel a sting whenever I make a post.
FYI - my links show heatmaps for the players for all comps and years. But you do you. Don't want this to get too long for you
So for this season stats you want to use all season heat maps, looks like logical thinking is not your strong point. It's fine, can always learn.
I know you like Bruno, but you're genuinely clueless when it comes to this. I just don't know how you can be so blind.
Do you seriously not see the way you respond to other posters, including myself? The irony in you talking about passive aggressive, as well. I can imagine what a dislikeable person you are in real life.
It’s largely accepted that Bruno has had one good performance this season and three poor ones. Do people who say he has created more chances than Odergaard etc think that’s because he is outperforming them?
Yet still Newcastle is using TOnali as more or less the single one chance creation outlet. For newcastle, this would be Trippier, Tonali may support this this season and who knows, maybe at the end of the season, we can say Tonali is changing roles but that would be early days.
What is it buddy, did your fish die or what happened?
I wasn't passive aggressive, apologies, if it came across differently. I can tell you, that your post came across as if you would pick on the other poster and only thing I did, was trying to bring your attention to you appearing a bit weird. You know, you can just ignore the poster right?
Appearantly your triggered - obviously the links I posted have all heatmaps, you can look for this season, or for last season. As I said, if you wouldn't be so confrontative, you may could save yourself half your posts.
He’s a fecking genius. Luxembourg yes, but that quality of pass transcends football.
Not sure why you quoted me
The one against Spurs where Rashford misses the header was absolutely ridiculous.
as usual pathetic and as usual reading issues.