They would be better fixing the issues top to bottom before looking at him.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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Stars are only aligning ever so often.
We need someone capable of adapting and overcoming, not someone that can coast.
I'm fairly sure this happens as it stands.
How many other managers have full control of recruitment? Our footballing structure is still massively off other clubs.
Because nobody was near them
At this moment, no.
Do I think he will succeed? No, I think he won't. He will be gone in the same fashion Mourinho, Ole and the others have gone.
Do I think that there is a manager who could actually turn things around? Sadly, no. At this moment there is an incredibly negative atmosphere in and around the club.
Do I think he will succeed? No, I think he won't. He will be gone in the same fashion Mourinho, Ole and the others have gone.
Do I think that there is a manager who could actually turn things around? Sadly, no. At this moment there is an incredibly negative atmosphere in and around the club.
It falls on the manager if he keeps on rewarding the lazy man-childs with starts. We saw this under Ole, he was loyal to the same group of toxic players and eventually the fans turned on him. ETH needs to be brave, drop the lazy bastards and go with the youth who will do the basics and give their all.
He’s not going to get irate in public is he
Who else does he put there? Ambrabat is injured. Fred left. VDB who cares. Even the kid Mainoo is out. We've nobody.
I don't want ETH sacked at all. But for those who do, who on earth would even touch the job at the minute.
We are skint and have a complete lack of footballing structure at the club from the top down. Look at all the top clubs in the PL. They all have a good secure top class structure from the top of the club down to the manager. We can't just keep changing manager at the first sign of things going wrong, Arsenal stuck with Arteta through the tough times and now look.
And for those who say "But we are Manchester United" we aren't the Manchester United we used to know, its in the past and we need to take our heads out of the sand and accept that many clubs are better than us these days including City, Brighton and Liverpool.
We are skint and have a complete lack of footballing structure at the club from the top down. Look at all the top clubs in the PL. They all have a good secure top class structure from the top of the club down to the manager. We can't just keep changing manager at the first sign of things going wrong, Arsenal stuck with Arteta through the tough times and now look.
And for those who say "But we are Manchester United" we aren't the Manchester United we used to know, its in the past and we need to take our heads out of the sand and accept that many clubs are better than us these days including City, Brighton and Liverpool.
Inheriting a bad apple is not the same thing, no.
And you clearly don't have enough knowledge about Pep or Ferguson to rule that sort of a lazy statement. Sancho didn't want to fight under Pep, was ill disciplined for dortmund and is ill disciplined under us. It's got feck all to do with Ten Hag so stop trying to claim it to be otherwise.
I would sack ETH if the new director of football appointed by new owners has someone better in mind.
Murtough and Arnold havent got the authority or respect or expertise to be sacking a catering assistant let alone a fecking manager.
Murtough and Arnold havent got the authority or respect or expertise to be sacking a catering assistant let alone a fecking manager.
Yes I agree. I think once everyone is fit and available we will see a vast improvement in our performances and results.
People need to get a grip and get behind the team. Its been bad, no doubt but the guy has half the first team out and unbelievable amounts of off the field stuff to deal with.
Also, how unlucky are we? Theres so many key moments that havent gone our way, going back to Fernandes uncharacteristically bad header miss to put us 1 up at Spurs when we were the better team, Garnacho being a fag paper offside to go 2-1 up against Arsenal, the goal today was so close.
We need a lucky break, the team is really paying the price for a crazy pre season fixture list in terms of injuries and ETH and all of the footballing decision makers need to really think about the impact on the form because of that.
Also, how unlucky are we? Theres so many key moments that havent gone our way, going back to Fernandes uncharacteristically bad header miss to put us 1 up at Spurs when we were the better team, Garnacho being a fag paper offside to go 2-1 up against Arsenal, the goal today was so close.
We need a lucky break, the team is really paying the price for a crazy pre season fixture list in terms of injuries and ETH and all of the footballing decision makers need to really think about the impact on the form because of that.
He'll be one of the issues they'll have to fix, so they'll sack him along the process.
How dare you come on here with your common sense approach, this is no place for you.
How do you know if these players were first choice? Hypothetically, if ETH or any other manager gives targets for each position and club says you know what we can't negotiate for them because FFP or player has competition from better clubs, then the manager has to either pick a lower quality target which club can afford or let that position not be filled. I am not saying this is what happened, but I am just saying things are not so cut and dry. There would be many factors at play.
This is spot on. All the top clubs have a top class structure from Owner to Manager and we do not. The Manchester United of the 90s and 2000's is gone and the last 10 years, despite wasting millions on stupid contracts and needlessly expensive transfers (United tax maybe) the club has been getting poorer and poorer to the point we are pretty much skint.
It’s not about work rate. It’s about not understanding when to press from which angle and how hard. That’s why we pressed unsuccessfully today. A functioning press where everyone works as a team doesn’t allow the opposition to just play around.
feck me!!!!
Get in the bin
Get in the bin
I know what you're saying but I guess I want something from him. Then I guess he will be criticised like he was for speaking about sancho. Can't win in his position I suppose.
I doubt the whole top to bottom would chance in one instance and he has more credit than most around him.
So many rabbit on about the issues 'top to bottom', sure there are a lot of issues, but the manager brought in players he specifically wanted, for a lot of money on big contracts, the tactics, style of play, results, just have not been there overall. A lot of fans wanting to excuse all this because of the ownership hatred. I'd imagine of the Arabs took over by January, same fans would probably be more keen to get a manager in who would spend the money well and have an actual style of play you can recognise.
Right now, you may as well bring in Roy Keane, at least he'd take zero nonsense from players who in the main are just not perfrming, especially when the chips are down.
Right now, you may as well bring in Roy Keane, at least he'd take zero nonsense from players who in the main are just not perfrming, especially when the chips are down.
It may trickle down, I'm ready for that. When the time comes, then he'll go. Now is not that time.
He may turn it round. We have Amrabat, Mount, Varane etc to come back soon, and Reguilon and Hojlund to bed in. And we have a run of easier fixtures to get some points on the board. We're not a bad team, we almost beat Arsenal away a couple of weeks ago but for some bad luck.
And it would be helpful if the club weren't mired in perma-scandal for a few weeks so we can focus on actual football.
Ps the Carabao Cup is a recognised trophy, I'm sorry if that doesn't fit your agenda.
KarenCafe
What an absolute shambles in here
What an absolute shambles in here
Frustrating we are again where we were last season with the saving grace that the fixtures were harder this season. He turned it around last season so for me he still has the benefit of the doubt. His signings are worrysome though.
I went to todays game. The boo he received for putting Martial on when we were 2 nill down felt like a bit of a landmark in our relationship with the manager. It was the whole home crowd basically.
Keep obviously, but i get extremely frustated from some of the choices he makes at times.
You’re the one that specifically mentioned discipline in the context of it being a trait that he uniquely has brought to Man Utd after his predecessors. So shouldn’t that mean things like the Sancho situation wouldn’t happen under his watch…
Can we at least wait until we don't have such a long list of injuries and suspensions before we start having these exhausting conversations 5 games into the season? No Varane, Shaw, Mount, Amrabat, Antony. I guarantee all of them would've featured today if they were available.
As mad as it was playing Bruno at CB, our options off the bench were Maguire or Evans - and I'm sure the caf would've loved it if either of those were subbed on when we were chasing a goal.
As mad as it was playing Bruno at CB, our options off the bench were Maguire or Evans - and I'm sure the caf would've loved it if either of those were subbed on when we were chasing a goal.
Because the club won't pay 60 or 90m for a player unless the manager insists on it. The easier for them is to move on for other cheaper signings, but they kept on coming back for Mount again and again during the summer.
He also trained Antony before.
Our "press" is so poor it is incredible.
What credit does he have ? Winning the League Cup ?
So that’s Moyes, Mourinho, Van Gaal, Rangnick and EtH that will have failed and been given the chop.
When will people realise that perhaps it’s not solely on the manager? It’s rotten from the top down. Terribly run clubs produce terrible results.
Im fed up of the knee jerk ‘Sack the manager’ mentality.
Spoiler alert, if we did that, we’d still be fecked.
When will people realise that perhaps it’s not solely on the manager? It’s rotten from the top down. Terribly run clubs produce terrible results.
Im fed up of the knee jerk ‘Sack the manager’ mentality.
Spoiler alert, if we did that, we’d still be fecked.
Exactly. This is not our normal state. Worst injury list in the league, and barely any of our new signings have been able to play.
Did you look at Brighton's team
Yes.What credit does he have ? Winning the League Cup ?
You specifically mentioned sancho. I said ten hag inherited a bad apple.
I never insinuated he bought it into United. I am saying that sancho is a poor example becuse 1) ten hag never bought him, 2) hes a product of the previous regime and 3) ten hag is isolating him from passing on a bad influence to the dressing room, as Pep or Ferguson would have too.
Today sucked. But I am not actually feeling all doom and gloom.
We have a team going through huge transition. We still need 3-4 key signings but also to sort out many new players, including very talented youth
I think this season we may finish 8th or 9th but I would still give Ten Hag all the time in the world and if we have new owners by December, he may still get us to winning things next year
Sacking Erik would be stupidest thing to do even if we keep losing
We have a team going through huge transition. We still need 3-4 key signings but also to sort out many new players, including very talented youth
I think this season we may finish 8th or 9th but I would still give Ten Hag all the time in the world and if we have new owners by December, he may still get us to winning things next year
Sacking Erik would be stupidest thing to do even if we keep losing
Leaning more to sack. He can go the same time as the Glazers do
Theres many facets to the reply but to save us going in circles il just say, if we can't navigate a solid point haul in all our games up to the City game, you have a right to be worried.