Let's be honest, SAF would have done exactly the same
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
He's one of those managers that comes across as an insufferable whinging prick because he's at a rival, but if he were here there'd be a siege mentality where everyone lapped up everything he says
Only he would demand a replay. Would he say that if it happened to any other team?
He's on the complete opposite end of emotion to EtH it's quite painful.
His suggestion is laughable. VAR has had previous instances of errors, both technical and human. We cannot replay a game because it's affected Liverpool FC. What about Wolves last season? What about the laughable decision in each and every game this season? Why is it only a solution for Liverpool?
Spurs should not be reprimanded on the basis of 3rd party error, however those involved should, imo, be relieved of their duties, apologies and assurances given to the clubs in the league, and that's as far as it goes.
His suggestion is laughable. VAR has had previous instances of errors, both technical and human. We cannot replay a game because it's affected Liverpool FC. What about Wolves last season? What about the laughable decision in each and every game this season? Why is it only a solution for Liverpool?
Spurs should not be reprimanded on the basis of 3rd party error, however those involved should, imo, be relieved of their duties, apologies and assurances given to the clubs in the league, and that's as far as it goes.
Ferguson was a.manager for what 40 years and I'm sure he's been the victim of some terrible decisions and I can't think of once he asked for a replay. So no I don't think he would do the same
90% of managers in his shoes would do the same, shouldn't happen since refereeing mistakes have cost teams dearly before, some in benefit of Liverpool, but nonetheless it's 3 points that could end up costing them the title or top four finish.
Can't remember many managers asking for a replay before to be honest, even after some ridiculously obvious wrong calls.
Plenty of managers moan about VAR, quite rightly in most cases, but Klopp is the first one I can think of to look for a replay because of a VAR error.
Entitlement and grievance on an industrial scale.
It’s their first loss of the season and he’s deflected the blame away from his squad who earned two red cards and a last minute own goal and turned it into a siege mentality.
it would be funny if they was allowed the replay then lost anyway and just burnt out an extra 90 minutes of energy for feck all.
After thinking about it I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if the premier League bend over for them and hand them the replay.
After thinking about it I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if the premier League bend over for them and hand them the replay.
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We'll have to agree to disagree. Ferguson and Klopp are cut from the same cloth, in my eyes anyway.
I don't actually think that a replay is seriously being asked for, I think it's to gain benefit further down the road, whilst highlighting a crappy system that was brought in to avoid talking points like this.
If he is serious about wanting a replay, he's nothing short of delusional.
Yeah I don't think Jones was trying to "do" Bissouma (was it?) but if he puts his foot in to tackle and his studs accidentally end half way up an opponent's shin, then he's by definition "out of control". Same reason I thought Casemiro's red card last season was correct too, similar scenario.
If they do get a replay then Man Utd need to demand that their match against Arsenal at the Emirates be replayed as well.
Yeah what a weird suggestion. When we were robbed of the title by Drogba’s clear offside goal did SAF ask for a replay? I don’t think he did. If he wasn’t going to demand a replay then he never would have.
SAF had class, so no he wouldn’t.
We definitely have to agree to disagree, I don't see klopp as a Ferguson regen in personality
Sensationalism from Klopp all in a effort to get a number of favourable decisions in the weeks and months ago.
What a madman.
While we're at it, let's replay games on all wrong decisions prior to VAR too.
In seriousness though, they got offside wrong due to human error a couple of times last season, Brighton vs Crystal Palace and Arsenal vs Brentford spring to mind when the lines were drawn wrong.
Not the exact same situation but same principle, so not really sure what he's on about when saying it never happened before, and pretty sure nobody suggested replaying those games because it's completely idiotic.
While we're at it, let's replay games on all wrong decisions prior to VAR too.
In seriousness though, they got offside wrong due to human error a couple of times last season, Brighton vs Crystal Palace and Arsenal vs Brentford spring to mind when the lines were drawn wrong.
Not the exact same situation but same principle, so not really sure what he's on about when saying it never happened before, and pretty sure nobody suggested replaying those games because it's completely idiotic.
I'm just disappointed he didn't finish by offering a replay to any side that comes off similarly wronged against Liverpool in future. I mean, it's only fair...
Weren't Sheff Utd essentially relegated by a rogue VAR decision a couple of seasons ago?
Were Liverpool fecked by VAR last weekend? Yes.
Do they deserve special service because their particular wronging was so dreadful? Feck off.
Were Liverpool fecked by VAR last weekend? Yes.
Do they deserve special service because their particular wronging was so dreadful? Feck off.
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This made me chuckle:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ls-for-spurs-liverpool-replay-after-var-error
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ls-for-spurs-liverpool-replay-after-var-error
He lost the argument by saying that.This made me chuckle:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ls-for-spurs-liverpool-replay-after-var-error
Nah, if he was here we’d all want him sacked for losing to Spurs because we are all insufferable whinging pricks.
Hahaha... All said while secretly wishing Klopp was he's manager...
I'm afraid your post is not very convincing or credible. You are clearly biased against Klopp and Liverpool, and you have no objective or rational basis for your claims. You are just expressing your personal preferences and prejudices, and trying to disguise them as facts and arguments. But you are not fooling anyone.
You say Klopp is nothing better than the second most successful manager in the PL, but that is a misleading and simplistic way of measuring success. Success is not only about winning titles, but also about overcoming challenges, creating a legacy, and making an impact. Klopp has done all that and more. He has taken Liverpool from a struggling and underachieving team to a dominant and consistent one. He has built a squad of world-class players who play with passion, intensity, and flair. He has developed a unique style of football that is admired and feared by everyone. He has won the Champions League, the Premier League, the FIFA Club World Cup, and the UEFA Super Cup with Liverpool. He has also won two Bundesliga titles and reached another Champions League final with Borussia Dortmund.
You also say Klopp is a comedian, but that is a compliment, not an insult. Klopp is a charismatic, passionate, and inspirational leader. He is not afraid to show his emotions, whether it is joy or anger. He is honest and humble, and he always gives credit to his opponents. He is not a sore loser or a bad winner. He is a gentleman and a sportsman. He is also funny and entertaining, and he makes us all smile with his jokes and gestures. He is not a clown or a fool, he is a genius and a legend.
You should be honest with yourself and admit that you are jealous of Klopp and Liverpool. You wish you had him as your manager instead of the ones you have had since Sir Alex Ferguson retired. You wish you had his players instead of the ones you have spent millions on. You wish you had his trophies instead of the ones you have missed out on. You wish you had his fans instead of the ones who have lost faith in your club.
But you don't have any of that, and you never will. Because Klopp chose Liverpool over Manchester United or any other club. Because he saw something special in Liverpool that he didn't see in anyone else. Because he felt a connection with Liverpool that he didn't feel with anyone else. Because he loves Liverpool as much as Liverpool loves him.
Maybe I am just an unbiased football lover who would have loved Ferguson, Wenger, Klopp, Pep etc as the my manager...
If he'd come here in 2015 and had been here 8 years and only won one league title*, the fans definitely would have turned on him by now. The pressure at Liverpool simply doesn't compare with United and you also have to factor in how much the media are willing United to lose and hoping Liverpool win.
I think you are wrong here. One of Klopp's biggest strengths is too create a positive atmosphere within and around his clubs. This includes the players, staff, management but also the fans and press.
He got relegated with Mainz, had s terrible last season with Dortmund and a couple of bad seasons with Liverpool. Still here was never close to get sacked, the fans never turned on him, despite getting relegated or having disastrous runs.
I'm sure, if Klopp had joined you guys in 2015 the whole atmosphere within and around the club would be totally different and there weren't threads like United players have PTSD.
I'm even pretty sure, if you give Rangnick the level of control he needs to be successful, you would have a stronger squad today and be in much better position.
Rangnick failed, but he failed because he did get zero support from the management.
Thanks for the morning chuckle. Really helps to start the day with a good laugh. Would love it if you could make such a post every day.I believe none of the posters actually listened to the presser... Klopp never actually demanded a replay, he was asked questions regarding what happened and said in he's opinion that a replay should be done but conceded that it won't be. This is quite smart by Klopp and definitely something Ferguson, Mourinho or maybe even Pep will play on... Sky 100% twisting it because it's great for viewership and know that tribalism in football will 200% get the conversations going again for another week or two... Funny thing is, most rival fans cannot see this and I understand it, looking in from the outside its quite funny how rival fans get triggered. This will 100% help all teams in that Var protocols will be seriously looked at for the betterment of all teams... And yes maybe this help down the road regarding 50/50 decisions... But it could also have the opposite effect whereby they officiated even worse or even hated more by rival fans because a decision might have gone there way...
You can't compare the 2 situations. At that time there wasn't a VAR checking every goal. Wrong offside decisions happened all the time.
If there was a VAR that time, I'm sure the reaction and protests of United were on a total different level.
VAR isn't perfect with handballs, red cards... Offsides however are handled very well.
The disallowed goal reminds me of Helmer's phantom goal against Nürnberg, and there was indeed a replay afterwards. Of course it didn't go there way Nürnberg hoped for. Instead of losing with one goal margin they lost by 5 goals and got relegated.
Klopp not asking for a replay, but thinks there should be one? Hahaha
You are seriously underestimating our fans. A lot of the fanbase wanted Ferguson replaced after a couple of seasons without a league title despite being up against a Chelsea side obliterating the transfer market.
It's delusional to think that with the expectations United fans had in 2015 that they would have been happy with an 8th place finish and losing a Europa League final to Seville. The fact that Klopp had lost 6 out of 7 finals up to that point would also have been thrown in his face and there would have been constant comparisons to Fergie to deal with rather than the likes of Roy Hodgson, Brendan Rodgers and Kenny Dalglish.
Liverpool were a much better fit for Klopp than United would have been. They were a fallen giant with low expectations and there's no evidence to suggest he could actually handle the pressure at a team like Bayern, United or Real who are expected to win regardless of the quality of players at their disposal.
He also would have been destroyed by the press at United and the more unsavoury aspects of his personality would have been highlighted and vilified. You're honestly living in a fantasy land if you think the Liverpool job post Rodgers and the United job trying to fill a Ferguson shaped whole are in any way comparable.
The pressure at Liverpool, Mainz and Dortmund isn't comparable with United. You probably don't see it if you're German based, but United generate more column inches those three combined and the pressure is another level.
We have been terribly run for well over a decade now, yet our fans still expect a title challenge within a year or two despite our squad being 4th or 5th best at a push. No manager would have lasted long post Ferguson as our fanbase and the media combined just chew them up and spit them out.
If Klopp was in charge we would have let him sign Brandt and Liverpool still would have signed Salah. On balance, I really don't think it's a stretch to say that Liverpool's success has had more to do with Salah's performances than Klopp becoming manager. Even Rodgers got them to within slipping distance of a league title, but do people credit their performances that season to Rodgers or Suarez?
You absolutely can compare the 2 situations.
You’re correct that VAR wasn’t around back then and occasionally an offside goal was given or vice versa but this was one of the most blatant and costly offside mistakes in Premier League history, it was unique in the sense that is was so obviously offside and it cost us another title, if Klopp happened to be in charge of United at that time you can bet your bottom dollar he would have asked for a replay. Asking for replays seems to be a Liverpool thing when things go against them, didn’t they start a petition for a replay when Salah got injured by Ramos in the 2018 CL Final, albeit that was the fans and not the club itself. Interestingly I don’t recall the fans starting a petition for the 2005 champions league final to be replayed after Gerrard dived for their penalty in normal time, or for Dudek being 5/6 yards off his line for the majority of the penalties in the penalty shootout.
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Liverpool know they will never get a replay here. The reason you built pressure like that is, that it will influence future refs for liverpool games. It is a similar reason why so many players and managers attack refs for every decision not in their way...it will affect refs and next time there is a 50-50 decision on a penalty against a team that does protesting all the time you might not give it.
It is psychology
It is psychology
He knows what he's doing and he's fully aware that the officials in England referee reputations and like to follow narratives. Now, watch nearly every 50/50 go their way until Christmas. It's exactly the kind of mind games SAF was a master at.
I hope they end up second in the league and lose by the Spurs points.
You're absolutely correct in this.
If the situation at Liverpool was comparable, and he even survived the summer after the 8th place and cup final losses, he'd have probably been binned off the following January/early February anyway, when they were knocked out of both cups and the only win in 10 matches was an FA Cup replay against Plymouth Argyle.
Even the season after again, when they ultimately reached the CL final, got off to a start so slow, the fans would have been calling for his head. Just three wins in the opening nine league games, out of the league cup in the first game, and one win in the opening three CL games in a piss-easy group.