Arteta won the FA Cup in his first (half) season. It's probably what bought him some time as we finished 8th his first 2 seasons.Even Arteta at Arsenal, he's not won anything but he's been a lot closer in the league than we've been, same thing, he took his time to settle but you could see what he wanted to install.
We as fans may not have seen much, but Mourinho, when he was at Spurs and beat us 2-0 in July 2020, saw it. He pretty much said Arteta would be the man to take us back to our glory days, said our tactics were much better.At this relative point in Arteta's tenure, Arsenal played horribly. You couldn't 'see' anything.
Well Jose also praised Ole and said he should be given time so won't take what he says in face value.Arteta won the FA Cup in his first (half) season. It's probably what bought him some time as we finished 8th his first 2 seasons.
We as fans may not have seen much, but Mourinho, when he was at Spurs and beat us 2-0 in July 2020, saw it. He pretty much said Arteta would be the man to take us back to our glory days, said our tactics were much better.
Aye, it’s a complete load of bollocks people pretending they always rated Arteta, especially the Arsenal fans.Well Jose also praised Ole and said he should be given time so won't take what he says in face value.
I don't think you guys were any good in first 2 odd season, in fact Edu needs to be massively credited to back him. Any other big ambitious club he would have been sacked 5 times.
Again he is doing a decent job now but some united fans are just rewriting history by saying he was alwaus building something great and his play style was solid.
Their game against City at the start of the 21-22 season , city beat them 5-0 with 80% possession and Arsenal ended up with 0 shots on target. As I said every manager would love to get that level of backing. And this performance was after he had finished 8th and 8th.
He looks quite annoyed. Probably at the Sancho question.
Arsenal fans lying makes somewhat sense , United fans pretending is what is funny.Aye, it’s a complete load of bollocks people pretending they always rated Arteta, especially the Arsenal fans.
I like that he takes responsibility for the attitude and mentality of the team. He didn't shy away from that question.
I feckin love this guy. He'll get it right, patience required. If half our players had his mentality we'd be flying.
Don't think he will until maybe December when we should have our first choice defence. I just hope he can win enough games between now and thenI feckin love this guy. He'll get it right, patience required. If half our players had his mentality we'd be flying.
The problem with that is he doesn't trust anyone to step into Bruno/Rashford's shoes,also certain he hasn't the balls to drop Onana for Bayindir either even though he shouldHe needs to grow some balls and drop the big names who are not performing.
I agree, that's why I said that's why us fans (myself included) couldn't see the progress Arteta was making initially. But someone like Mourinho did and while he may have been wrong about Ole, he seems to be correct about Arteta. I have said before that I was "Arteta out" after we missed out on top 4 the season before last. I have never been happier to be wrong in my life.Well Jose also praised Ole and said he should be given time so won't take what he says in face value.
I don't think you guys were any good in first 2 odd season, in fact Edu needs to be massively credited to back him. Any other big ambitious club he would have been sacked 5 times.
Again he is doing a decent job now but some united fans are just rewriting history by saying he was alwaus building something great and his play style was solid.
Their game against City at the start of the 21-22 season , city beat them 5-0 with 80% possession and Arsenal ended up with 0 shots on target. As I said every manager would love to get that level of backing. And this performance was after he had finished 8th and 8th.
Great post. And I agree with all you have said.I really like ETH, best manager we had since SAF. But for the love of God Erik, drop these underperforming prima donnas and play the youth.
If he is to survive here, I think he needs to sacrifice players in order to fulfill his tactics, and not the other way around.
For starters, Rashford needs to be benched. In before "he is our main goalscoarer and provides the only threat". Not this season, Hojlund has looked decent so far and will only get better as time goes along. Rashford needs a kick up his arse to be reminded to put in shifts and track his runners when out of possession. Also, raising his head and passing to team mate who are in better positions than he is might help as well.
Next up Bruno: ETH relies on nice crisp passing through the middle. With Bruno there we lose possession far too many times. We need someone with similar qualities, but who is a bit less erratic in possession. Last year that was Sabitzer and I think this year it might be Mount. Bruno needs to be moved to the flank into a bit of a "Tadic role", wide playmaker that can score goals and has a high workrate. Also playing there will minimize his constant loss of posession.
And lastly: we need some energy down the middle. Mejbri looked like a unit next to Casemiro. The lad looks like an improvement on Fred already. Play him, till Mainoo gets back and then decide which one of the 2 is the better player and build on that.
Come one Erik mate, start dropping these underperforming wankers before they get you sacked!
A few searching questions which he dealt with.I feckin love this guy. He'll get it right, patience required. If half our players had his mentality we'd be flying.
Oyy! Straight off with the Jadon question eh?
I really don't get why you are angry about journalists doing their job. They report on and ask about things of public interest and considering that we are on page 126 of the EtH vs Sancho thread on this forum proves that this matter qualifies as such.Oyy! Straight off with the Jadon question eh?
Who's the cnut asking the first one?
Do we not have a media officer in charge of these things?
Erik needs to shit in their manbags.
The Jadon thing is really done and dusted.I really don't get why you are angry about journalists doing their job. They report on and ask about things of public interest and considering that we are on page 126 of the EtH vs Sancho thread on this forum proves that this matter qualifies as such.
That video is titled part two - the first question here is somewhere in the middle of the press conference and not the first one setting the tone.The Jadon thing is really done and dusted.
It's well known, there's nothing to report.
There is no "doing their job" things. It's a dead end story.
And having a media officer telling them there's nothing to ask about it is in the description of the job.
And certainly not being asked as a first question!
Setting the tone to the pre match interview.
That's just disrespectful.
Would have loved to see them try that with prime Sir Alex. They would have got the bollocking they deserved and wouldn't have gotten a sniff at the interview room in the foreseeable future.
My bad then.That video is titled part two - the first question here is somewhere in the middle of the press conference and not the first one setting the tone.
And you say it is a dead end story, but do you know? It is a journalists job to get the info when something changes.
Think it's everyone's favourite, Luckhurst.Oyy! Straight off with the Jadon question eh?
Who's the cnut asking the first one?
Do we not have a media officer in charge of these things?
Erik needs to shit in their manbags.
Nobody is interested in the Sancho story. That’s a click bait question.I really don't get why you are angry about journalists doing their job. They report on and ask about things of public interest and considering that we are on page 126 of the EtH vs Sancho thread on this forum proves that this matter qualifies as such.
It's literally the thread below this one and has 127 pages so presumably quite a lot of people are interested. Once they had an argument in public and United made a statement about him being dropped from the 1st team it became a perfectly obvious question to raise in each press conference.Nobody is interested in the Sancho story. That’s a click bait question.
I’m pretty sure we had a few back and forths in his thread where I kept explaining to you what he was doing.At this relative point in Arteta's tenure, Arsenal played horribly. You couldn't 'see' anything.
Nope, it’s a click bait question. Fan’s discussing a topic ad nauseam is different from Journalists wasting our managers time answering the same question with the same answer . To be fair you expect bottom feeder journos to ask these stupid questions.It's literally the thread below this one and has 127 pages so presumably quite a lot of people are interested. Once they had an argument in public and United made a statement about him being dropped from the 1st team it became a perfectly obvious question to raise in each press conference.
Ten Hag made the issue public in the first place before Sancho moronically escalated it and there has been no update in nearly a month, it would be weird if they didn't ask about it to see if there was any update. What exactly do you want them to ask?Nope, it’s a click bait question. Fan’s discussing a topic ad nauseam is different from Journalists wasting our managers time answering the same question with the same answer . To be fair you expect bottom feeder journos to ask these stupid questions.
This idea that “it’s the job” to keep asking the same question is nonsense. We will learn nothing about the Sancho situation until either party comes out with something. Just wastes everybody’s time so they can write about nothing changing with Sancho and maybe twist some story out of it.
Agreed, he has terrible options right now and he's sticking with players that have at least have produced for him before. If it was me though, as I'm too stubborn I would have started hooking them way early in the season and lose with the kids if I have to. I just have a very short leash for individualistic and egotistical players in general, unless they're once in a lifetime kind of talents.I remember Jose was doing that with Fellaini and McTom near the end of his reign. Pogba just waited for him to be sacked and then played amazing for a few weeks and just was injured or not arsed for the remainder of his United career.
But at the time, Jose got a load of grief for not getting the best out of Pogba.
You can’t change a culture in 15 months if you are still stuck with a bunch of players you don’t want and you have to play them cause of injuries and unavailable players.
I’ve got the issue on an Under 13s team I manage. We want to drop a stroppy player who has loads of talent but a bad attitude. He can win games on his own but he’s not a team player and literally stops playing in some games.
His team mates put up with his antics cause they feel more confident with him in the team. Our chances are better if he starts but we want to drop him to teach him some humility.
But we don’t have many subs and don’t have any comparable replacements. ETH dropping Bruno or Rash is not replacing them with better or equal players. United over rely on these players , so when we are not playing league cup games we will really struggle to make up for the quality they can bring.
It’s a nice idea and I agree with your sentiments in theory but in practise they don’t really work unless you have a strong squad like pep or a really strong club culture around the manager (like Klopp and pep). United has neither, we just have pot noodle sponcors in Asia to appease.
He gave Sancho a year to get his sh*t in order, how was keeping it behind closed doors working out? Do you think a manager should persist with a strategy that’s yielding no benefit to the team?Ten Hag made the issue public in the first place before Sancho moronically escalated it and there has been no update in nearly a month, it would be weird if they didn't ask about it to see if there was any update. What exactly do you want them to ask?
This. Arteta’s first couple of seasons there the football was garbage, it only really started clicking for them properly last season. That was evident by the fact most people didn’t even have them finishing top 4 never mind challenging for the league.At this relative point in Arteta's tenure, Arsenal played horribly. You couldn't 'see' anything.
They were proper ridiculous during lots of games too.At this relative point in Arteta's tenure, Arsenal played horribly. You couldn't 'see' anything.
I feel even if things get far worse over the coming months, if ETH can hang in and turn things around , the pain will be worth it.This. Arteta’s first couple of seasons there the football was garbage, it only really started clicking for them properly last season. That was evident by the fact most people didn’t even have them finishing top 4 never mind challenging for the league.
Yep. It’s a total rewriting of history to pretend it was so clear things were building and going in the right direction under him.This. Arteta’s first couple of seasons there the football was garbage, it only really started clicking for them properly last season. That was evident by the fact most people didn’t even have them finishing top 4 never mind challenging for the league.
Where exactly did I say anything to the contrary? I said once it became public because Ten Hag thought that was the right approach (which was certainly worth a try given nothing else was working) it was then perfectly reasonable for him to be asked about it and it's not click bait. He's going to be asked questions he might not like, especially when the results and performances are bad and there's so much off-field drama. What exactly do you want them to do? Ask him why he's so wonderful and then thank him for his time?He gave Sancho a year to get his sh*t in order, how was keeping it behind closed doors working out? Do you think a manager should persist with a strategy that’s yielding no benefit to the team?
This idea that a player who doesn’t train well should be protected is bollox. Also , Sanchos response was the problem. He’s had training issues at every club, it’s not unique, he’s just making a nuisance of himself and some fans want our manager to keep jumping through hoops to protect these wasters.
Sometimes things need to get worse before they get better, purging the club of poison attitudes is not easy.
what exactly is asking the same question going to achieve? What do you think ETH is going to say about Sancho thats any different to what he’s said the last few weeks?Where exactly did I say anything to the contrary? I said once it became public because Ten Hag thought that was the right approach (which was certainly worth a try given nothing else was working) it was then perfectly reasonable for him to be asked about it and it's not click bait. He's going to be asked questions he might not like, especially when the results and performances are bad and there's so much off-field drama. What exactly do you want them to do? Ask him why he's so wonderful and then thank him for his time?
It isn't, ask Arsenal fans and you had some that were pissed at the results but others that saw progress with the style of play. From the outside we just laughed at the results. I always felt sorry for the deluded Arsenal fans that would ring up on 606 and tell Savage that Arsenal needed to be patient. Yet they were to be fair, correct.Yep. It’s a total rewriting of history to pretend it was so clear things were building and going in the right direction under him.
