if the qatar group just went after a mid club in the premier league they could prob still accomplish everything they want, without having to spend the premium it would cost for a club like liverpool.
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If Sir Jimmy Brexit gets his hands on us he will achieve a double - as Utd won’t be in Europe either.
The point is that there is no human rights benefit either way so what good does this so called 'moral' standpoint do?
I dont believe the bid was all about sportswashing or manufacturing consent either - much cheaper PL clubs to buy if that is the priority (note that UAE and Saudi went for cheap crap clubs) plus Qatar have already spent billions on PSG and the WC, not to mention that the link between state and the 92F bid is not proven anyway.
Anyway you won the 'whataboutery' bingo award for today - well done you !
There is no false equivalence - you dont get to decide which moral issue is more valid for a start and it's largely a pointless discussion once you start trying to compare which billionaire is more of cnut.
Like I said before, there is no ethical ownership option for Man United but, I can tell you that for me personally, I have a much bigger issue with the environmental destruction and BREXIT politics of Sir Jim than human rights in the Gulf. More interesting was the earlier comparison of ethics of the Glazers too but yet some fans mistakenly believe that only one bid has any moral implications.
As I said, it's all a nonsense as far as Im concerned - to put it simply, they are all cnuts on one level or another so Im only interested in which billionaire cnut is the best one for Manchester United. After a decade of mismanagement we already know for sure that it's not Joel Glazer, so it's absolute madness that there are some United fans who would choose him over any other option. Like I said, I dont like what Sir Jim represents but Id still take him over the current lot.
How do you feel about Qatar's environmental record, given it's such a big issue for you for Ratcliffe?
This club is cursed. Another 16 years to go before Premier League success again.
It does him good, because he doesn’t get to see the club he supports tainted by the association. Duh!
Who gives a shit about Qatar now. It’s over. Why still debate.
I bet this "sale" drags on for another 6 months.
Stuck in Neutral is United. and we're coasting backwards ffs
Stuck in Neutral is United. and we're coasting backwards ffs
the match day fans are a disgrace - you want to make a difference boycott the games , protest the crap instead on match days and stop spending at the stores , turning up with newton heath scarfes is laughable at this stage and quite embaressing
You should reread my post as you obviously missed the main point - it's not a big issue for me at all in the context of Manchester United, because again their ownership of the club will not change anything on an environmental level.
Ok so this moralistic stance is just a selfish position with no actual benefit for any cause - like I said, quite clearly not in the best interests of Manchester United Football Club
Qatar aint buying the club. Maybe they never were going to.
You boys still going on about them like you have been dumped by your hot ex!
You boys still going on about them like you have been dumped by your hot ex!
Nah. Give it a couple of weeks.
How can anyone with a straight face say match day fans are the problem? What a silly thing to say.
Somebody needs to buy us though, to get rid of the Glazer’s. This is the big issue. Sir Jimmy isn’t going to do it. Their auction attracted just one bidder who wanted 100%, Sir Jimmy ducked out when he saw the books and found out what they wanted. We are in limbo now, and likely to be for many years. No multi-billionaires are even interested. We are stuffed imo.
Sir Jimmy is not buying us - can’t afford it
16 years? That's optimistic.
The club’s heritage is sufficient enough of a ‘cause’.
And someone else could state it’s quite clear that United’s heritage has little to no meaning for you.
keep accepting the crap the glazers are dishing up - part of the problem
Why aren’t you outside Joel Glazer’s Florida mansion right now burning him in effigy?
Part of the problem.
Anyone who does not see or have the foresight to see where the football industry is going (after Qatar World Cup and major Saudi investment) is living in cloud cuckoo land.
That is before we get to the next World Cup with 48 teams participating in largely the United States. There will be matches other than friendlies or exhibition tournaments played in this coun
This ownership has been negligent in maintaining standards in competition, facilities and supporters have not been served in terms of match going to stadiums that has not been upgraded.
The last decade has been a failure.
People on this forum and otherwise who are against a change of ownership in favour of the Glazers remaining are supporting that negligence.
Why has one of the match day fans not invented time travel, travelled back in time, found Malcolm Glazer's dad, put on a pair of steel toecaps, kicked him squarely in the balls, and so prevented him from having children?
Part of the problem.
Part of the problem.
He doesn’t have control of the purse strings so what does it matter?
Absolute madness that anyone could convince themselves that a group who wanted to remove the current owners, clear their debts and rebuild the stadium are a danger to the heritage of Manchester United !
You have got it completely the wrong way around
not as bad as your spelling
If Kim Jong Un came in with a late bid promising to do all that you’d be alright with it?
Pisses me off to no end this died down again. Hurry up and get it done so there is at least a small glimmer of hope that things might change
Why would a communist leader want to invest in the West?
Supreme leader and all that.
I’m just wandering if Rood would be listening to Elton John’s Rocket Man on repeat…
North Korea is currently under UK government sanctions so he wouldn't be allowed to bid under PL ownership rules
Imagine it wasn’t.
truth hurt didnt it
It is. So we can't. But I am sure that a lot Chelsea fans would have Abramovich back.
Hypotheticals are a bit pointless but I have said before that there are regimes I would have a problem with, Qatar is not one of them though.
Just wanted to establish if you had limits, whether genuine or not.
If you recall the opening statement of Sheikh Jassim's bid for 100% of the club. He said amongst other pledges to invest in the surrounding community. Now compare that with the Glazer ideology of viewing Manchester United as a franchise ( as Malcolm Glazer referred to the club as) whereby the stadium and it's surrounding land has remained undeveloped.
Which of the 2 cares more about the community?
If you don’t offer enough for the sellers to sell (never mind a reported inability to provide verification for the funds) then those pledges just amount to rhetoric or words on a piece of paper.
Glad, i'm not part of the problem
They probably want a consolidated brand and the scouses are also for sale.
So you can repeatedly ask whether a communist dictator can be a good or accepted as a good owner, but you are unable to answer one valid question that relates to the prospective future of the club?
Jassim did provide the proof of funds but it became clear that the 2 protagonists did not want to sell?
This is the problem with people on this website. When you ask pertinent questions that make people have to stop and think of a possible alternative point of view, you never really get a straight answer from anyone you get into a debate with.
I had this in another discussion topic on this forum and when I asked certain questions people seemed to do a runner, so to speak.
People are thinking with their emotions and not with their heads and not thinking of the long term solutions.
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