Is there something in place here at United that caps what a manager can do? Is there stipulations that certain players have to play?
How important is the academy stat? Is a manager allowed to break that of for the good of the team?
I am curious.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
How important is the academy stat? Is a manager allowed to break that of for the good of the team?
I am curious.
It’s time to have a laugh, forget about this, and move on. Enjoy the life, guys!
He looks like he's about to cry. Completely frazzled.
Didn’t even realise we had a game on, this has to stop. Ten Hag is not entirely blameless but he caused so much of his own problems that he should have no complaints being sacked.
Look at the squad Newcastle rocked up to Old Trafford with and comfortably beat us, meanwhile there are still people on here holding out hope Ten Hag will magically have us playing better when Shaw and Martinez come back.
Look at the squad Newcastle rocked up to Old Trafford with and comfortably beat us, meanwhile there are still people on here holding out hope Ten Hag will magically have us playing better when Shaw and Martinez come back.
I know a lot of Utd fans stated that Ten Hag turned spurs down for the managers job when it was available and was interviewed, but the noise that came out of Tottenham was that he didn't impress Levy with the way he communicated and his vision and style.
In my opinion, I believe that it's one of the best decisions Levy's ever made. I think ETH is out of his depth in the premier league.
Agree with much of this, and I’ve been complaining about it since we caved and bought Antony last summer. No manager should be given free rein to dictate every target. It was obvious his tendency to just fall back on recruiting players he knew and it’s clear he’s not great at really identifying the best profiles for how he wants to play here.
I do think he’s a pretty good coach, but the combination of him wishing to play a bit different style here coupled with him basically having full control over targets just asked for disaster.
This is a very clear clue that the man is hopeless. And stubbornly hopeless to boot because he’s still not changing it.
We just got booped by a City a few days ago. He has a tough game against Howes’ very well drilled Newcastle side. It’s a game where he has to get a result or risk being with one foot out the door. What does he do? He plays 4-3-3 with Casemiro alone in the only CM role after coming back from injury and Mount + Hannibal as AMs.
I mean, get fecked you idiot.
More than a patch but il still give him time. I'm nuts.
Sky said Newcastle started five fullbacks!
For a man who claimed to be obssesed with details he severely lacks any ability to identify these details and do any coaching. There was a sequence where Regulion got the ball on the wings and started cutting inside while Garancho just stood hugging the line! I have zero Tactical experience but even I know a fullback doesn't try to cut inside while the winger hugs the touchline because he will end up passing back into midfield. So many times our players just take one step in the wrong direction or pass wrong or just stand wrong and I can see it clearly!!! How does the coach staff not see it???
Accurate
That was probably the most uninspiring post match interview. "stick together" he says. Its so obvious he has no idea how to fix this. Matter of time now really.
More of an anti-purple patch.
There's every chance of a loss there. Apparently they're pretty decent at home.
Was there ever anything he could have said to make you think he can turn it around? Probably not
We are appalling all over the pitch. This just doesn't feel like its going to get better and I'm just pretty gutted it looks like we're once again at this point.
Why is he insisting on playing a high line with Maguire, Lindelof, Dalot and Casemiro, proven "sit back and hoof it" specialists? Is it to make a point? I get it, they can't. Please stop!
I’ve moved over to the out camp now unfortunately, I liked what he set about doing last year but since the cup final we haven’t been poor we have been abysmal.
He isnt going to turn this around it’s blatantly obvious for all to see so just cut the crap and end it tonight.
He isnt going to turn this around it’s blatantly obvious for all to see so just cut the crap and end it tonight.
I feel bad for him tbh. As a club we are so obviously a poisoned chalice, and of course there will always be somebody who thinks they can fix us, but ultimately all they do is kill their own reputations by coming here.
Was predictable before the season started. I really didn't see where the goals were going to come from. We don't create enough, and our finishing is awful. But even then, I'm still impressed just how bad we are.
Sack him and get Emery in ASAP.
It'll cost a lot but worth it.
It'll cost a lot but worth it.
Did he convince you?
Fecking irritating that he just decided to try do something completely different to reason he was brought in in the first place. Also well done Murtough and Arnold for the fine oversight of this project and making sure it kept steered on track. Impressive!
And they got Conte and Mourinho
Yeah, but then they hired Nuno Espirito Santo so can you really take that seriously?
Yes.
I do think Ten Hag will go on and be successful elsewhere, but I think we're too fecked. Not that he's blameless, he's made some truly baffling and weird decisions, he's not the best thing since sliced bread, but things haven't gone well for him, and I don't think he's turning this big old mess of a ship round.
It's not even 4-3-3, it's like 4-1-4-1 or something, the central midfield is just one man on his own chasing shadows out of possession and no passing options in possession.
We set up with no attempt to control the game and give the midfielder no chance of looking even half decent.
Remember, we're a transition team!
So just the £260m worth of talent or whatever it is then. Nobody else had ever heard of those guys of course.
I didn't think it was a horrific interview if that's what you're asking. Most managers would look like a lemon in his situation before a question was asked.
Yeah. I’m so furious. We cannot score a fecking goal. (Don’t get me started on the loose defending).
I don’t think sacking Erik is a solution but he has to pay! He has to pay the price for presiding over this shit. And so (this makes no sense at all, but who cares?) let’s sack him in lieu of a damn good hiding.
And now I’m really thinking that 7-0 at Liverpool should have been bye bye. It was terrible at the time but I eventually let it slide and now I’m annoyed about it all over again.
I don’t want to keep sacking managers but they leave us no choice. He’s on his last fecking life as far as I care. Beat Fulham or take your £15m payoff and be gone.
He should have kept Ralf to do the dirty work and clear the squad
Ralf was a shit manager but everything he said in his pressers were spot on about how rotten the club is. Ten Hag should have listened and kept him around, instead by aiming to be the only guy that really has a say he's created his own problem
Ralf was a shit manager but everything he said in his pressers were spot on about how rotten the club is. Ten Hag should have listened and kept him around, instead by aiming to be the only guy that really has a say he's created his own problem
He looked a beaten docket in that interview, I think he knows he is on the verge of been sacked any week now.
There just seems to be very little hope of things improving, we have stacked the squad with so many substandard players and paid a fortune to do it.
It is not even a form thing , it is a quality issue.
There just seems to be very little hope of things improving, we have stacked the squad with so many substandard players and paid a fortune to do it.
It is not even a form thing , it is a quality issue.
If he doesn't drop this one DM formation, then he truly is flecked in the end. All season teams have just run through us. Play 2 DMs and make them sit, or play 3 CMs and make sure they all do the defensive duties. It's really insanity to keep trying different players as the sole pivot, when none of them are upto, either because they just can't or don't have the legs anymore.
Remember, we're a transition team!
I just realised - Mason Mount is our number 7....
Hes taken full accountability and says they know the standards have dropped and it's up to him to raise it.
He can't say much else, hel have to show it immediately.
I don't think that's an issue. Fans aren't stupid. We can't be sold something if its not happening on the pitch.