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Why doesn't he close down the angle?
None of the above. Perception can often create different expectations.Is there anyone that watched him regularly at Inter that can shed some light on why he doesn’t seem like the keeper he was there. Is it the type of attackers being different to what he was facing in Italy, different defence and team setup, or is he just being found out by being in a better league. I remember the praise Pep was giving him after he played City. He can’t just actually be shite and he’s not been tested enough for that to be shown.
Nah I don't think there's anything wrong with expecting better from our players, even if they're not directly at fault.Yeah but surely that's just being pedantic for thesake of it. He was caught on his heels a little, sure, but it would have increased the chances of a save by maybe 2-3%. The main problem was the non-tackles by about 5 players before kane played that pass. Onanas part is a miscalculation at worst.
think you mixed the seasons. when he was there, Inter were between fourth and sixth place the whole april and only managed to took the third place by 2 points in their last 2 or 3 games. Inter is dominating Serie A this season, but he certainly didn't experience any of that.Let's not forget that he's also new in the country and that he joined from a rather dominant side which has the best squad in Serie A.
No, they have the best squad in Serie A for quite some time now. They were the best team in the land when Conte was there (won the title in 20/21) and they had good options in almost every position on the pitch. When Inzaghi finished 2nd in 21/22, there were even discussions about his future at the club. Last season, Napoli didn't allow a title race, but Inter were being criticized all the time and their CL campaign prevented things from escalating. This season, he has to win the league.think you mixed the seasons. when he was there, Inter were between fourth and sixth place the whole april and only managed to took the third place by 2 points in their last 2 or 3 games. Inter is dominating Serie A this season, but he certainly didn't experience any of that.
Well, you know, the closer you get to the game the better it is to practice the thing you are good at.I just saw a Talksport interview with a lad who was at the game.
He said that Onana was out with the midfielders practicing passing in the pre match warm up and at the same time Heaton was practicing shot stopping like a goalkeeper should.
Surely it’s better for a goalkeeper to be warming themselves up by jumping left and right to make saves rather than passing practice with midfielders?Well, you know, the closer you get to the game the better it is to practice the thing you are good at.
Most goalkeepers will do that and also do a keeper warm up. Be very stupid if he didn't do any keeper work at all before a game.I just saw a Talksport interview with a lad who was at the game.
He said that Onana was out with the midfielders practicing passing in the pre match warm up and at the same time Heaton was practicing shot stopping like a goalkeeper should.
Yes, indeed, that would be preferable.Surely it’s better for a goalkeeper to be warming themselves up by jumping left and right to make saves rather than passing practice with midfielders?
I do mate. I also watched him in the Cl final where he put in a better performance than any that de gea has put together in the last 3 years.Watch the games instead of depending on stats.
True. Although, Alisson is basically the best keeper around though... Depressing.Nah I don't think there's anything wrong with expecting better from our players, even if they're not directly at fault.
I look at that situation and think "What would Alisson do?" ... And it's definitely not whatever Onana was doing.
I totally and completely don't care about what he had done before Man United. That's for himself. I care about what I have seen of him at United and what I have seen isn't good enough. Should we keep Sancho because of what he had done at BvB?I do mate. I also watched him in the Cl final where he put in a better performance than any that de gea has put together in the last 3 years.
I'd rather wait until the set up suits his game before dismissing him. All to their own I guess.
True. Although, Alisson is basically the best keeper around though... Depressing.
Agenda? By saying that we downgraded Dave? Where is agenda in that?Because the agenda amongst a portion of fans is so obvious it needs saying. But you exaggerating things also does nobody any favours either as he's clearly not hopeless.
I'm nowhere near qualified to judge, but I have done some keeper coaching courses and help out with a training session every week with an experienced qualified keeper coach.People on here talking about the technical aspects of goalkeeping as if they have any idea about the technical aspects of goalkeeping. It's hilarious.
The answer to that question is one that Ajax’s sporting science and analytics department tried to solve while Onana was at Ajax. Initially, they looked at his technique when it came to diving, realised it was unorthodox and wanted to change it, but Onana was adamant that he could get to the ball quicker using his technique.
Rather than standing more upright and with his legs roughly shoulder width apart, Onana’s base was slightly wider than normal, both with his feet and his arms. The wider base gave him more power and stability when attacking the ball and, when reaction time was limited, he was able to dig his feet into the ground and shoot his hands down to the ball to make the save. The technique in itself requires precise timing and a great amount of strength to execute correctly.
Wait till you see that wretched thing called democracy where you see a bunch of noobs who have never run a govt, elect people in.People on here talking about the technical aspects of goalkeeping as if they have any idea about the technical aspects of goalkeeping. It's hilarious.
Well the big difference is Sancho has been here for over 2 years and has shown nothing to warrant us believing he can turn it around. He also has shown he neither has the discipline nor the temperament to work on himself, no doubt due to the obscene wages he gets.I totally and completely don't care about what he had done before Man United. That's for himself. I care about what I have seen of him at United and what I have seen isn't good enough. Should we keep Sancho because of what he had done at BvB?
Honestly my answer to both is no. De Gea was error prone too and cost us constantly in Europe and big games just as often as Onana. At the same time we would be even worse playing out from the back with him back. As another poster said, by pretty much every metric as Onana has still been better than the Dave of the past couple seasons. As I’ve said in other posts though, we could do better than both.Agenda? By saying that we downgraded Dave? Where is agenda in that?
Lets put stats aside and give me straight answer ; do you think that we would be still in CL with De Gea on the goal? Do you think that we would have more or less points in PL with Dave?
So De gea would've made the same mistakes through several games in our group.Honestly my answer to both is no.
This is absolutely shocking. There are easily 5 goals there which could be considered mistakes, and another 6-7 of 'he should have done better'.I'm nowhere near qualified to judge, but I have done some keeper coaching courses and help out with a training session every week with an experienced qualified keeper coach.
For the last couple of days, I've looked at the goals conceded, there's lot of compilations doing the rounds.
For me the big part of his game that just looks wrong are his positioning, his feet and his footwork. How he positions and sets himself to react and how he shifts his feet across the goal. Too often he's kind of on his heels, plants his feet and then tries to dive, on other occasions he almost pushes off the wrong side. He takes a little step one way and then tries to dive the other way and pushes off his right foot going left and his left foot going to his right.
Edit: you might also notice his stance seems to be too wide, his feet are too far apart.
According to an article in theatheltic it was actually regarded during his time at Ajax and they wanted to change it. But they decided against it, because it somehow worked for him, the problem is when his timing is off he will look like a clown.
It's those fractions of a second that are the difference between getting to a shot and looking like you're diving after the ball has gone past you. It's actually quite noticeable when you just watch compilations of the goals he's conceded. If he could sort his feet out, he wouldn't look so laboured when diving for shots.
https://theathletic.com/4940987/2023/10/10/onana-andre-man-utd/
He absolutely would have and that's the point I made to him earlier. He's not being genuine in his remarks about onana when you compare them to his analysis of every goal ddg let in. JlNobody says Dave would save it, but it’s damn sure you would be the first to criticise him if he did something like this for instance.
Yeah, I watched most of the games and all, I think I've mentioned it before in here about his feet, but I never really looked at a lot of the goals in great detail. Just with all the clips going round, I just decided to look more closely at him.This is absolutely shocking. There are easily 5 goals there which could be considered mistakes, and another 6-7 of 'he should have done better'.
I think with an average EPL keeper we concede 3-5 fewer goals, and with a good one, probably 10+ fewer goals.
Maybe, he just doesn't look like he has natural goalkeeper instincts. Like I posted above, to me it looks like his timing, stance and his footwork is letting him down. If you can't shift your feet quick enough you're can't react quick enough. You're talking fractions of a second really.His goalkeeping technique sometimes looks as if field player is on goal. It is one thing to have specific style but this guy doesn't do basic stuff right. Stuff which gks are learning when they are kids; saving shots with one hand, rushing out in one on one situations, using one feet to jump for a save, etc....
No one has said that Dave would save it. Literally no one. Why do you insist on telling porkies?But they think Dave would have saved it, that's really what it's all about.
It's a 1v1, 8 yards out, he got sold a little dummy fell for it. A keeper is not saving that 95 times out of 100, the other 5 he gets lucky and it's blasted right at him.
Yes most likely as he made constant mistakes for about 3 seasons costing us massive games along the way.So De gea would've made the same mistakes through several games in our group.
He wouldn't have saved the pen at home to Copenhagen that's for sure!So De gea would've made the same mistakes through several games in our group.
DDG was definitely capable of cluster fecks. Whether it's the Europa game last year where we were dumped out, or the West Ham game away or the FA Cup final.So De gea would've made the same mistakes through several games in our group.
Well, his CL stats certainly boost the overalls.Was he really good at Inter or are their fans just bullshiting us? Because every time I watch him play he just looks like he can't even do the basics for a goalkeeper.
That’s been our whole team the majority of the seasonWell, his CL stats certainly boost the overalls.
In 24 games this season has has already conceded 3 goals more than he did in 41 games for Inter. Also, we are allowing ~1.3 shots per game more than Inter. Assuming we continue to allow chances at the same rate, in his 30th game for United he would have faced the same amount of shots as in whole last year. For example, in the league he has higher save % than he did in Serie A.
From the research I did last season , I'd say he was better in terms of blunders but not shot stopping ability. He faced less chances, Inter were better suited to actually winning a first ball and retaining possession. His handling of the ball was an obvious weakness but combine that with the mistakes and you get current Onana.
For all the talk that he is quite the character, I actually think he isn't taking well the pressure of playing for United. Always looks like someone talking in his head instead of letting his experience and instincts take over.
How much could we even get for him if things continue in this fashion and we did? £20m? 15m?!This fella needs to be sold on in the summer.
Genuinely the worst keeper I've seen playing for United.
Its scary how bad he is.
Can I borrow your crystal ball for next weeks lottery numbers?Yes most likely as he made constant mistakes for about 3 seasons costing us massive games along the way.
probably not anywhere near as much as the fee he was signed for - but he will cost the much much much more if he is left in the team over time.How much could we even get for him if things continue in this fashion and we did? £20m? 15m?!
Have many people said he was that good at Inter? Probably suited the style of play in Italy. He was available on a free last summer...Was he really good at Inter or are their fans just bullshiting us? Because every time I watch him play he just looks like he can't even do the basics for a goalkeeper.
He wasn't, he had already agreed to go to Inter.Have many people said he was that good at Inter? Probably suited the style of play in Italy. He was available on a free last summer...
I don't think he has such natural goalkeeper instincts, not the kind you would see from someone like Allison, Pope or even Pickford.Well, his CL stats certainly boost the overalls.
In 24 games this season has has already conceded 3 goals more than he did in 41 games for Inter. Also, we are allowing ~1.3 shots per game more than Inter. Assuming we continue to allow chances at the same rate, in his 30th game for United he would have faced the same amount of shots as in whole last year. For example, in the league he has higher save % than he did in Serie A.
From the research I did last season , I'd say he was better in terms of blunders but not shot stopping ability. He faced less chances, Inter were better suited to actually winning a first ball and retaining possession. His handling of the ball was an obvious weakness but combine that with the mistakes and you get current Onana.
For all the talk that he is quite the character, I actually think he isn't taking well the pressure of playing for United. Always looks like someone talking in his head instead of letting his experience and instincts take over.