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Beckham was mentioned earlier for cheating on his wife once! It's mental.Bringing what Cantona did to that racist into this conversation as though it is remotely comparable is beyond bonkers.
Beckham was mentioned earlier for cheating on his wife once! It's mental.Bringing what Cantona did to that racist into this conversation as though it is remotely comparable is beyond bonkers.
I was responding to a poster saying that he expects United to have a high moral ground than other clubs and I was telling him IF you want to have a moral high ground, then probably half of United's top 10 players of all time wouldn't have fit playing for us. I WASN"T equating cheating on wife with fighting or raping.What’s the world come to when you have to explain that
It's a horror insight into trail by social media based on flimsy evidence that's for sure.This whole thread, and the wider reaction of a lot of Utd fans to Greenwood's "exile", is a horrific insight into what some people regard as minor error of judgement - he "made a mistake". Often accompanied by "his missus has forgiven him so...".
But he didn't "make a mistake", he violently assaulted and raped a woman. The fact that she's decided to stay in a relationship with him shouldn't be held against her, but also doesn't remotely exonerate him. He's lucky he's not serving time in prison, and I still don't want him anywhere near the club no matter how well he plays in Spain, or how badly our forwards perform.
What's with the "*****"? Just say his girlfriend.It's a horror insight into trail by social media based on flimsy evidence that's for sure.
Noone knows what actually happened apart from a select few people possibly noone apart from Mason and ******* themselves.
Yet there are plenty who have been convinced by the flimsy evidence even though the CPS were far from convinced in the end, so much so they dropped the case.
You are of course entitled to your opinion like anyone but IMO it's hell of a leap to be convinced he is guilty of domestic violence and rape based on the evidence shared on social media.
How is it a hell of a leap? You can say it's hard to know for certain, but the evidence shared on social media was ridiculously damning hence why he's at fecking Getafe and they supposedly get 20% of the future transfer fee.It's a horror insight into trail by social media based on flimsy evidence that's for sure.
Noone knows what actually happened apart from a select few people possibly noone apart from Mason and ******* themselves.
Yet there are plenty who have been convinced by the flimsy evidence even though the CPS were far from convinced in the end, so much so they dropped the case.
You are of course entitled to your opinion like anyone but IMO it's hell of a leap to be convinced he is guilty of domestic violence and rape based on the evidence shared on social media.
Good pointHow is it a hell of a leap? You can say it's hard to know for certain, but the evidence shared on social media was ridiculously damning hence why he's at fecking Getafe and they supposedly get 20% of the future transfer fee.
I was hoping there would be more thread management discipline there. I never veered off the topic there because I appreciated its opportunity.What’s the point in that? The same conversations would be had then in the performance thread.
But that’s when this thread was still open to talk about the case in general not just performance. If we closed this thread, everything would be in the other threadI was hoping there would be more thread management discipline there. I never veered off the topic there because I appreciated its opportunity.
Most don't choose to ignore it. In this case, there is the claim on this forum that the clipped audio is almost 100% proof of his guilt, like otherwise unexplained DNA under a victims fingernails, video of an act or a confession to lawyers. Not to say he’s innocent (although he should be presumed innocent in the eye of the law), but the logical argument here doesn’t hold that the CPS would have full confidence in his conviction with just the content of the tapes, like they would for other types of evidence.Amazing how people choose to ignore this as he is good at football or something.
Conspiracy theory, United give Getafe money to “buy” MG. Getafe get to keep 20%. United look slightly better with that portion of fans who don’t want to lose him for freeI don’t believe that Getafe 40 million story. How often do Spanish clubs outside of real, Barca and atletico have 40 million to spend on one transfer
Ok. I will put this thread on ignore. Then hopefully, you can open up the other thread at some point in time.But that’s when this thread was still open to talk about the case in general not just performance. If we closed this thread, everything would be in the other thread
Sorry I’ll just say it now, we have no intention at this point of reopening another thread. It’s just too much moderation involved. 1 is more than enoughOk. I will put this thread on ignore. Then hopefully, you can open up the other thread at some point in time.
Cheers!
As long as there is consistency your opinion is well entitled to and respected. I am totally okay and happy with the opinion of barring Greenwood from the club for being a domestically violent scumbag.George Best, Ronaldo, Butt, Giggs, Alonso and Mike fecking Tyson(?!) have all done horrible things and shouldn't be celebrated. If they were playing now I wouldn't want any of them at the club.
I hope this makes it easier for the weirdos who keep bringing them up.
Start with it not being OK at Man Utd but there being examples of other players who have reintegrated into English football, then continue with the crime not being as high profile in Spain ([Irrelevant point]’s involvement in a man’s death really isn’t widely known in England because it happened in Spain), proceed to Getafe not being an especially interesting or much-covered club, and develop from there.Perhaps then you can answer my genuine question?
Ridiculously damming? A few dodgy pictures/videos that could easily be faked or could have nothing to do with Mason anyway and a grainy audio recording that doesn't actually prove or show anything on its own isn't ridiculously damming. It raises suspicion and doubt, but damming evidence? Not even close not on its own.How is it a hell of a leap? You can say it's hard to know for certain, but the evidence shared on social media was ridiculously damning hence why he's at fecking Getafe and they supposedly get 20% of the future transfer fee.
How do you find having to deal with all of the libellous statements in this thread versus (not) thread banning users from the performance thread?Sorry I’ll just say it now, we have no intention at this point of reopening another thread. It’s just too much moderation involved. 1 is more than enough
I suspect that the summer will resolve this issue one way or the other
Amazing. People are still going in circles on points already answered in 2022. It's like a new one crawls out from a rock each day.Ridiculously damming? A few dodgy pictures/videos that could easily be faked or could have nothing to do with Mason anyway and a grainy audio recording that doesn't actually prove or show anything on its own isn't ridiculously damming. It raises suspicion and doubt, but damming evidence? Not even close not on its own.
Why did the club originally plan to bring him back into the fold if that evidence is so damming? Bear in mind the club had access to further evidence in there own investigation as did of course the CPS and in both cases there simply wasn't enough concrete evidence to prove anything.
In terms of morals how long is it morally acceptable to chastise some based on a allegation that can't be proven?
Well that's because the club backpedaled on it's original plan to reintegrate him and dithered subsequent loan negotiations.How is it a hell of a leap? You can say it's hard to know for certain, but the evidence shared on social media was ridiculously damning hence why he's at fecking Getafe and they supposedly get 20% of the future transfer fee.
Sounds fraudulent and incompetent. The latter is right up our alley so you're halfway thereConspiracy theory, United give Getafe money to “buy” MG. Getafe get to keep 20%. United look slightly better with that portion of fans who don’t want to lose him for free
BS but will let you off.I have no interest in boxing nor do I know anything of him to know what you are on about. Strange comment.
Edited, sorry forgot about the censorship.What's with the "*****"? Just say his girlfriend.
TupacGeorge Best, Ronaldo, Butt, Giggs, Alonso and Mike fecking Tyson(?!) have all done horrible things and shouldn't be celebrated. If they were playing now I wouldn't want any of them at the club.
I hope this makes it easier for the weirdos who keep bringing them up.
I doubt he’ll be moving anywhere permanently in Jan given everything needs to be run past INEOS from now. Unless they’ve already decided to cash in early for FFP.I don’t believe that Getafe 40 million story. How often do Spanish clubs outside of real, Barca and atletico have 40 million to spend on one transfer
If you had a gun to your head and were asked whether you think he's guilty of domestic abuse, what would your answer be?Ridiculously damming? A few dodgy pictures/videos that could easily be faked or could have nothing to do with Mason anyway and a grainy audio recording that doesn't actually prove or show anything on its own isn't ridiculously damming. It raises suspicion and doubt, but damming evidence? Not even close not on its own.
Why did the club originally plan to bring him back into the fold if that evidence is so damming? Bear in mind the club had access to further evidence in there own investigation as did of course the CPS and in both cases there simply wasn't enough concrete evidence to prove anything.
In terms of morals how long is it morally acceptable to chastise some based on a allegation that can't be proven?
If we're talking hypotheticals, you can see the difference between being a 'spoiled moron' and a violent rapist though, right?!would any of you really stop being a fan of the club if they brought Mason back?
I find it hard to believe that so many "lifelong fans" would do that.... especially people on this forum. If you're here, you're likely a bigger supporter than the average.
Theres no excuse to the behavior but the reality most young footballers being paid a shitload of money will be spoiled morons (school/education 99% of the time takes a step back for the sport). I think giving a 2nd chance is the right move for the club.... he'll either prove to be a really good player and help us for years OR we'll be able to get a big transfer fee for him.
United could bring him back and we would all do nothing about it. Which is why it will likely happen and it’s that also the right thing to do.would any of you really stop being a fan of the club if they brought Mason back?
I find it hard to believe that so many "lifelong fans" would do that.... especially people on this forum. If you're here, you're likely a bigger supporter than the average.
Theres no excuse to the behavior but the reality is most young footballers being paid a shitload of money will be spoiled morons (school/education 99% of the time takes a step back for the sport). I think giving a 2nd chance is the right move for the club.... he'll either prove to be a really good player and help us for years OR we'll be able to get a big transfer fee for him.
Wrong on both counts.United could bring him back and we would all do nothing about it. Which is why it will likely happen and it’s that also the right thing to do.
A good rule of thumb is that whatever Mainoldo thinks of something, the opposite is true.Wrong on both counts.
Mate all there is of Hitler is some flimsy black & white 'evidence' and some hearsay about genocide. Trial by social media if you ask me.You’re all hypocrites. I didn’t see any of you back in nazi germany complaining about Hitler being in power but suddenly you’re all high and mighty and not wanting greenwood near Utd. It’s ridiculous. If anything what Hitler did was maybe even worse!
Also, Eva Braun forgave him.Mate all there is of Hitler is some flimsy black & white 'evidence' and some hearsay about genocide. Trial by social media if you ask me.
I’m never wrong. I just don’t get credit when my opinions turn out true. It’s too painful for some.A good rule of thumb is that whatever Mainoldo thinks of something, the opposite is true.
Show me a guilty verdict mate. The video evidence is damning sure but Hitler was never convicted by a court of his peers so deserves the benefit of the doubt.You’re all hypocrites. I didn’t see any of you back in nazi germany complaining about Hitler being in power but suddenly you’re all high and mighty and not wanting greenwood near Utd. It’s ridiculous. If anything what Hitler did was maybe even worse!
It makes you wonder if it wasn’t for the whole being able to record things on phones and post it for the world to hear would there be anything even legit against greenwood? I don’t think so. Just goes to show like if it happened in the 90s then it probably would’ve been totally fine. Worlds gone mad.Mate all there is of Hitler is some flimsy black & white 'evidence' and some hearsay about genocide. Trial by social media if you ask me.
See you just flip this to get the truth:I’m never wrong. I just don’t get credit when my opinions turn out true. It’s too painful for some.
I'm wrong all the time. I get constantly quoted when my opinions prove to be incorrect. It's very easy for everyone.
Hahaha what?!Conspiracy theory, United give Getafe money to “buy” MG. Getafe get to keep 20%. United look slightly better with that portion of fans who don’t want to lose him for free