Too many average teams look dominant against us. We regularly get overrun in the midfield
It simply isn't working
It simply isn't working
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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Except they probably arnt, most of their team arnt working for the club yet and without knowing who will be in charge next season they cant know what tactics we will be playing what positions we need to buy players for.
Fulham were actually quite wasteful today and lacked the final pass multiple times. Largely because they were missing their two best attacking players and their best midfielder. I reckon this would have ended worse with Willian, Palhinha and Jimenez on the pitch.
he knows the right buzzwords to be fairHe's been bailed out a number of times already this season where we've played utter shite for more or less 90 minutes, and either got undeserved last minute winners (Brentford, Fulham, Villa), or clung on for dear life after taking a 1 goal lead (Wolves, Burnley, Fulham, Luton)
He was never going to keep getting away with it.
I'd take Mourinho, Conte, anyone who can set up a compact team and actually have us looking like we won't get strolled through like a park.
Getting harder to make excuses for him.
Impossible. How did they win a game if they had injuries?
A lot of the argument is not against the personnel in CM particularly. It's the set up that is a problem for so many of us. The 4-1-5 with no support to the DM, vast spaces between the back and front 5, full backs not backing up the press.
This isn't surprising at all. If anything, it's surprising we aren't first. I've never seen a United team so easy to play through.
Recently, because we've won said games, others scoffed when you'd bring up how many shots we conceded (even to Newport!) but it's not like it's a one off. It's a consistent theme this season and desperately needs addressing. The fact that ten Hag has yet to do so is the biggest concern.
I dont think there is a group of players who can play like this, with these many gaps between back 4 and front 5, with such a deep line but high press. What do I know but I don't see how it's possible to play like this.
How come people are seeing this now. As delusional as ETH is with his playing style many of the fans here are as delusional or even more than ETH.
Some of us have sung this song for more than 12 months now till people thought we were critical for no reason.
My conclusion remains.
Either ETH leaves or Bruno leaves. I said in July last year we won't be with both of them in 18 months. The center will not hold anymore. Playing transitional football is unscale-able and unsustainable.
We will go round in circles until we get a courageous manager to bin all transitional players in this team. As Ratcliffe is decisive in club directions and personnel we need a courageous manager who will bin off this useless playing style.
Give even Carrick this team he will set us better and have us compact, at least Carrick was courageous enough to bench Bruno. if Carrick was here Bruno wouldn't be in this team by now and our team would have evolved alot.
We play once a week but we get muscle injuries, we have no urgency, we lack precision, we lack patterns in our play BECAUSE we play in a way that it's unscale-able, you can't upgrade our playing style to any other level.
Ask yourself who we would sign to upgrade this playing style?
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No that's wrong.
Start anyone other than Rashford up front. McTominay, Bruno, Diallo. Whatever. No good options but Rashford is the worst option.
Play a system with more than 1 midfielder. Especially in a game where it's obvious we'll struggle to create.
Play Dalot at left back, who is a far more combative and competent footballer than Lindelof in that position.
Please for the love of all that is holy, get Naggelsmann in before a serious club manages to woo him.
You're the Godfather. Can't you just make him an offer he can't refuse?
He is a fraud
That's not even close to true. Mourinho, Ancelotti and Guardiola have won it with different teams for a start, off the top of my head.
This man thought he is better than ragnick and chose to ignore him. He deserve this, but the problem is he is dragging the club with him. Worse manager in the league rn
I really hate the “if we don’t get top 4, he’s gone” thing. He should be gone regardless - even if we fluke our way to top 4. Have you people seen the way we’ve played football since just before the league cup final last season? Horrible
Getting to top 4 this season and this guy staying would be a nightmare because we would be right here next year. Our playstyle and performances are crazy. 10 league losses by Feb. Goal difference of 0.
Getting to top 4 this season and this guy staying would be a nightmare because we would be right here next year. Our playstyle and performances are crazy. 10 league losses by Feb. Goal difference of 0.
We did not have a healthy left back.
Yeah exactly. I'd rather not get top 4 if it means he stays in a job as it's quite clear he's taking us nowhere. Short term pain for longer term gain.
First and foremost, football is dreadful. Most team that comes compact will have every opportunity to beat us. There is zero creativity and our "brilliant" manger doesn't know where are the spaces to attack. Erik continues to sabotage the team by his broken tactics over and over again. Being a smart ass, he decided to sell our young left back and cancel the loan of Reguilon so he makes sure Lindeloft has a chance to shine. I will be shock if he manage to find any club once he leaves United. Never seen such is overrated manager watching United over the years.
A twitter tactical wizard.
Expect him to trot out excuses
Agree. We’d be wasting another year to “give him a chance with a good footballing structure” even though the prick is adamant in having huge control over transfers and his tactical ideas are repeatedly dogshit. Even if we bought brilliantly this summer it wouldn’t change that.
It scares the shit out of me that fluking top 4 or 5 when other teams collapse could mean a new contract in the summer for him
Very poor. Lacking.
Even when we win, most can surely see the football isn't sustainable. He can't manage in the EPL. He hasn't got the tactical acuman
I don't think the INEOS team will be as myopic about CL qualification as the Glazers and their people were
Who plays RB if Dalot is at LB? You’re taking a player out of his best position to have two players in awkward roles.
Suggesting a front 3 of Garnacho, Diallo, Forson? Bruno has been tried as false 9 before and it hasn’t worked and god help ETH if he’d started McT at striker (Weghorst 2.0 comes to mind).
Yeah, the Glazers only cared about CL qualification and the money that came with it. Actual success was never even really on the radar.
Let's hope INEOS have different priorities. They're at least looking like they do so far.
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He's just taking the piss now
He surely is
Why?
Jim Ratcliffe specifically mentioned this as a goal of the season.
Not so much about lining pockets which is what the Glazers cared about but if you're behind the 8 ball on FFP it impacts absolutely everything about what we can do to push the club forward.
It's pretty fundamental we do that and if we don't this season it'll be a huge blow.
Obviously I have prior concerns but what really, really concerned me today was from the first five minutes you could see this type of performance happening and we deserved to lose se. Unfortunately there was nothing done to rectify the matter. I'd even take shouting on the sideline, change of formation /position, just something. I'd personally have loved if he just subbed Rashford early just to show these tepid efforts aren't going to be accepted.
I still think we just have to see this season out. Nothing is going right for us. The squad that's been put together is not cohesive and we look in disarray when we get a few injuries etc. I still think we should give it time though. We've had a couple of years like this in the decade since Fergie retired we will live to fight another day. Sacking ad nauseum isn't working either. I just hope things are getting sorted behind the scenes so we can have a stable start to next year and see how we get on then with ETH. I am at a loss how his tactics make us concede so many shots he has to figure it out.
On a side note I do not see much in Forson, seemed to me his technique was very poor, I did not think he was doing much in the reserves either so I'm surprised he got the nod over Amad. Amad didn't set the world alight when he came on but he looked more at home than Forson. Very strange decision to me.
I still think we just have to see this season out. Nothing is going right for us. The squad that's been put together is not cohesive and we look in disarray when we get a few injuries etc. I still think we should give it time though. We've had a couple of years like this in the decade since Fergie retired we will live to fight another day. Sacking ad nauseum isn't working either. I just hope things are getting sorted behind the scenes so we can have a stable start to next year and see how we get on then with ETH. I am at a loss how his tactics make us concede so many shots he has to figure it out.
On a side note I do not see much in Forson, seemed to me his technique was very poor, I did not think he was doing much in the reserves either so I'm surprised he got the nod over Amad. Amad didn't set the world alight when he came on but he looked more at home than Forson. Very strange decision to me.
What's the bigger picture?!
It's true, too, it's not just exaggeration on the internet. We're good at forcing high turnovers with our pressing, while we also play one of the deepest defensive lines in the PL.
The bigger picture for him is a multimillion pay off in the summer.