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Not enough manager search smoke. There was a little but i reckon there'd be more if there was fire.I'm inclined to agree. The character assassination would have started by now.
Not enough manager search smoke. There was a little but i reckon there'd be more if there was fire.I'm inclined to agree. The character assassination would have started by now.
100%, we’ve seen how it usually goes. I’ll give ten Hag credit in that he has taken out toxic personalities or kept them completely muzzled to avoid the typical leaks we’d get at this stage.I'm inclined to agree. The character assassination would have started by now.
This makes me think you have the fandom short term memory affliction.Well cup final vs Newcastle we were awful and got somehow the win, smash and grab, but truth be told we had started playing really badly for the last part of the season anyway, it was not an odd performance, we hung on to 3rd by the skin of our nutsack, we were also shite in the other cup knock outs, we were not a great team last season despite what some will say, other teams were worse and we had Rashford scoring heavily, if Rashford or anyone was scoring like this season we would be much better off! bottom line is we don't and ETH has to shoulder a big portion of the blame for that.
TBH I am not sure why I would need to explain how we performed in certainly 2/3rds of last season, maybe first season bounce, the tactics were hardly ground breaking anyway, and as good as we supposedly were (tactically) last season we are far worse this season, there are issues with personnel, injuries etc... but the tactics are beyond ridiculous, almost to the point of being non-existent, TBH I think if you let the players sort it themselves it would be more constructive, not sure why ETH's shitshow tactics this season should be ignored
Not saying ETH would not improve given a 3rd bite at the cherry, I mean he could hardly do worse than he has this season, but you have him finishing 2nd that is where the WOW comes from, pushing for 4th not 10+ points off it is reasonable, 2nd or 3rd ???? I want some of what you have been drinking
Not from INEOS no but others wouldn't be able to keep their mouth shut if ETH was getting replaced.Anyone hoping or trying to read signs from Ineos are going to be disappointed. They hold all the cards right now. Even ETH is being kept in the dark.
Yeah you might well be right. I guess this squad just *feels* older than your average Utd squad, wouldn’t you agree? I mean, maybe it’s literally just me having a feeling which simply doesn’t match reality! It might just be that. And as you say, having older players in your squad is not the same as having older players in your actual first XINot sure to be honest, our only senior players over 30 are Maguire, Evans, Eriksen, Varane and Casemiro.
Casemiro and Eriksen have missed a lot of games through injuries and in Eriksens case falling out of favour the last few months. Varaen's played a lot since Xmas but was frozen out by Ten Hag for 3 months before that for whatever reason.
Feels like they run a pretty tight ship. Most expected Murtough to stay with a role change before he was let go.Not from INEOS no but others wouldn't be able to keep their mouth shut if ETH was getting replaced.
Murtough leaving is not the same as ETH in all fairness, a whole other level of media interest.Feels like they run a pretty tight ship. Most expected Murtough to stay with a role change before he was let go.
It can be both, it’s not one or the other.The constant dismissal of the injuries is weird. Injuries affect any team to varying degrees. Us more than most this season.
People are blatantly refusing to accept this as it doesn't fit in their narrative and accusing anyone who doesn't agree of being a '*******'.
That was actually one of his conditions for taking the job, he wanted that responsibility.The point is he should not be expected to buy and sell players.
That is not a mangers job.
I am not pro Erik.
But to think all the problems we have can be solved by just bringing in a new manger is not thinking things through..
Who are the others and how would they know if Ineos are keeping their plans secret?Not from INEOS no but others wouldn't be able to keep their mouth shut if ETH was getting replaced.
AgentsWho are the others and how would they know if Ineos are keeping their plans secret?
Doubt anyone knows anything but it's hardly a bold prediction.Muppetiers hinting he's going to get sacked.
Didn't say otherwise palDoubt anyone knows anything but it's hardly a bold prediction.
Agents of whom? Players, managers?Agents
I know mate, I'm talking about the muppetiers.Didn't say otherwise pal
If United are contacting agents of managers to put the feelers out I'm sure they would know yes.Agents of whom? Players, managers?
Doubt they'd know either, I doubt United are talking to anyone yet even if they are leaning towards sacking Ten Hag.
It is, to some degree, his job to identify players (either specific players, or hypothetical players with a specific skill set) who will offer what he needs in order to progress the team towards his style of play. He surely needs to have a good eye for a player to be able to impart what he wants to the people identifying and bringing in the talent?The point is he should not be expected to buy and sell players.
That is not a mangers job.
I am not pro Erik.
But to think all the problems we have can be solved by just bringing in a new manger is not thinking things through..
Well who'd currently be handling any discussions with potential managers?If United are contacting agents of managers to put the feelers out I'm sure they would know yes.
The second part, are you joking? You think they'd leave the decision this late?
I don't know mate I don't work for the club.Well who'd currently be handling any discussions with potential managers?
Arnold and Murtagh are gone. Berrada and Ashworth haven't officially started yet, considering they're both on gardening leave I can't see them being able to get involved.
Well that was quickMuppetiers hinting he's going to get sacked.
I expect Berrada will invite Zidane over to his garden to discuss lawnmowers and weed control techniques and casually let slip that there is about to be a vacancy at United.Well who'd currently be handling any discussions with potential managers?
Arnold and Murtagh are gone. Berrada and Ashworth haven't officially started yet, considering they're both on gardening leave I can't see them being able to get involved.
Is this fixed with better coaching, better players, same players doing it better, or all of the above? Which has the best marginal benefit/cost tradeoff?
The question is whether this absolves the manager or damns him.I'm arguing that the data (points total) will be pretty similar. You may interpret other things like GD that's fine but I think there are clear correlations between our defensive/offensive injuries and our poor attacking/defending.
Sacking a manager for having our worst PL season would not be a "knee jerk reaction".The fact the squad have not given up on ten Hag and that we are not hearing the typical leaks to the press about a toxic dressing room is a tell tale sign that the club will give ten Hag another season. Injuries and a distractions off the pitch are going to be deemed acceptable reasons for why we took a major step back this season. So for everyone hoping for a knee jerk reaction from INEOS are going to be left disappointed.
“A response to a situation or question that is predictable and doesn’t require thought.”Sacking a manager for having our worst PL season would not be a "knee jerk reaction".
Sacking a manager for failing to reach objectives isn't a knee jerk reaction.“A response to a situation or question that is predictable and doesn’t require thought.”
Your response actually frames it as a knee jerk reaction. A less knee jerk reaction would be to say that those mitigating factors did not cover up other damning shortcomings so he should be sacked.
It can be if you don’t have a look at the why of it. I’m not in any way, shape, or form comparing because that would be madness but pretty sure Liverpool’s objectives last year were not to end up in Europa and crash out of cups the way they did.Sacking a manager for failing to reach objectives isn't a knee jerk reaction.
Don’t think the plan was for him to be a bench player. Just that it’s not working in the system ETH wants to use.Spending 60m on a bench player, when your whole squad is shite alone should be a sackable offence
Muppetiers don't know anythingMuppetiers hinting he's going to get sacked.
Well Klopp won a title, ten hag won the EFL cup. When Madrid and bayern sack managers within a year or two for failing to reach objectives, its just what big clubs do. Its ruthless.It can be if you don’t have a look at the why of it. I’m not in any way, shape, or form comparing because that would be madness but pretty sure Liverpool’s objectives last year were not to end up in Europa and crash out of cups the way they did.
It would have been ‘knee jerk’ to let go of Klopp, no? Of course, because he’s earned the benefit of the doubt and there were mitigating circumstances.
Agreed. You could argue ETH has earned the benefit of the doubt for ending our trophy drought last season and coming 3rd. However usually the aim is to develop and improve teams over the years. Feels like we took a massive step forward last season and now 2 steps back this season. I do think we overachieved last year though. It helped that Liverpool was miles of it. But this year there’s more competitive teams, you have the likes of Villa and Spurs who are a lot stronger.It can be if you don’t have a look at the why of it. I’m not in any way, shape, or form comparing because that would be madness but pretty sure Liverpool’s objectives last year were not to end up in Europa and crash out of cups the way they did.
It would have been ‘knee jerk’ to let go of Klopp, no? Of course, because he’s earned the benefit of the doubt and there were mitigating circumstances.
Thanks, I'll bear that in mind.Muppetiers don't know anything
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You must be easily amused.