The Mitcher
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Narrator: But he won't..
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Narrator: But he won't..
I suspected.I don't know mate I don't work for the club.
We're a month away from the end of the season they will have a pretty good idea what's about to happen. They probably want the directors in first to make it look like they haven't picked the manager.
Whether he's been told or not (I doubt it) or he suspects he won't be he'll at least publicly just carry on as if he will be here next season.I wonder if ETH has been told he’ll be here next season. He’s already planning for the summer tour and saying he’ll take the strongest squad possible. Surely if he knew he’d be gone he wouldn’t be mentioning the summer plans..
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Cant we move him to the position of Head of Roof Maintanence since thats a position we desperatly need to fill?.We rate and love John Murtough, we really do. Also, please move to Head of cleaning
feck off cleanshirtfeck you Glazers.
feck you Glazers!
It’s time to get out of United, Glazers!
What were you even doing there in the first place, Glazers!?
You didn’t even properly buy us Glazers!
Are you happy now, Glazers?
feck you Glazers.
Wrong character!feck off cleanshirt
Just not even a remotely similar situation. Are we serious here?It can be if you don’t have a look at the why of it. I’m not in any way, shape, or form comparing because that would be madness but pretty sure Liverpool’s objectives last year were not to end up in Europa and crash out of cups the way they did.
It would have been ‘knee jerk’ to let go of Klopp, no? Of course, because he’s earned the benefit of the doubt and there were mitigating circumstances.
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Avram : Money is an energy, and lots of it has always flowed towards me. Particularly after my parents died
If it was in the context of a usual season of injuries and a lack of turmoil and distractions off the pitch, I’d agree with you. INEOS however will take a long term approach and not the desperate knee jerk move you and others are looking for. They will wait for Berrada, Wilcox and then Ashworth before making a move. The fact the squad has not given up on ten Hag and his methods is also a big clue what will happen. ten Hag will be given another year.Sacking a manager for having our worst PL season would not be a "knee jerk reaction".
The players being professional is no evidence that ETH will not be sacked. We've failed to improve, results are getting worse, and if INEOS want champions league football as SJR says he does due to FFP, then why hasn't ETH been sacked to improve results? It's nonsense. It is not kneejerk to sack a manager who since the EFL win and game week one of this season has overseen a marked decline in performance and results. Not to mention wasting 400 million in four windows.If it was in the context of a usual season of injuries and a lack of turmoil and distractions off the pitch, I’d agree with you. INEOS however will take a long term approach and not the desperate knee jerk move you and others are looking for. They will wait for Berrada, Wilcox and then Ashworth before making a move. The fact the squad has not given up on ten Hag and his methods is also a big clue what will happen. ten Hag will be given another year.
But somehow missing the part where Ali dodges the punches, and thinking that the strategy was repeatedly getting punched in the face.
While I generally agree with this sentiment, I'd add that a) in this instance, it could be seen as knee-jerk in the context of INEOS still being in the process of overhauling the structure above the manager, so sacking him before that structure is in place is a bit like putting the cart before the horse and b) "worst PL season" seems to be slightly subjective, as some people are going to judge by points totals (at this rate, we're looking at 60 points, but could well fall below that and our lowest haul is 58) and others will go by final league position (as it stands, we're 6th, and we finished 7th in 2013/14).Sacking a manager for having our worst PL season would not be a "knee jerk reaction".
He wanted the responsibility because he saw what the Glazers did.That was actually one of his conditions for taking the job, he wanted that responsibility.
It was well publicised at the time and is mentioned often on here.
Managers have been sacked in the past because they’ve lost the squad. This is clearly not the case and many of the senior players would also likely point to injuries impacting results, but you and every other supporter want the same scatter gun bullshit approach. INEOS thankfully are smarter than that.The players being professional is no evidence that ETH will not be sacked. We've failed to improve, results are getting worse, and if INEOS want champions league football as SJR says he does due to FFP, then why hasn't ETH been sacked to improve results? It's nonsense. It is not kneejerk to sack a manager who since the EFL win and game week one of this season has overseen a marked decline in performance and results. Not to mention wasting 400 million in four windows.
Or we've shipped out the gobshites?The fact the squad have not given up on ten Hag and that we are not hearing the typical leaks to the press about a toxic dressing room is a tell tale sign that the club will give ten Hag another season. Injuries and a distractions off the pitch are going to be deemed acceptable reasons for why we took a major step back this season. So for everyone hoping for a knee jerk reaction from INEOS are going to be left disappointed.
People keep saying this and it doesn't excuse ETH at all. At UNITED, it is the managers job to do so. It has been for decades. Just because most clubs nowadays do not operate like this, does not mean it shouldn't be his job. It is at our club. So he should be judged on his performance not only in regard to tactics, man management, but also how he buys players. He did say this power over transfers was the reason he accepted the job. In that sense, he's failed.The point is he should not be expected to buy and sell players.
That is not a mangers job.
I am not pro Erik.
But to think all the problems we have can be solved by just bringing in a new manger is not thinking things through..
Replied above about him wanting to be part of the process.He was part of the process, he specifically wanted to be.
Good thing nobody thinks that then I guess?
You are wrong.People keep saying this and it doesn't excuse ETH at all. At UNITED, it is the managers job to do so. It has been for decades. Just because most clubs nowadays do not operate like this, does not mean it shouldn't be his job. It is at our club. So he should be judged on his performance not only in regard to tactics, man management, but also how he buys players. He did say this power over transfers was the reason he accepted the job. In that sense, he's failed.
How am I wrong? The managers at United have always bought the players, we've introduced a hybrid system under Murtough that has now been dismantled. But it was still ETH in overall command, the vast majority of the players signed being his first choice targets.You are wrong.
Fergie did what he did within the football operations of the club.
Are you stating the Glazers ran United as a football club?
I honestly think INEOS won't sack him and he'll resign because he won't want to give up his transfer powers. Then we'll be in a situation where all the best options will have already moved to big clubs and have to settle for the worst.The squad could spend every Friday night publishing love poems to him on twitter, he’ll still get sacked because the results and performances have been so bad.
Not beyond the realms of possibilityI honestly think INEOS won't sack him and he'll resign because he won't want to give up his transfer powers. Then we'll be in a situation where all the best options will have already moved to big clubs and have to settle for the worst.
All the problems we are having on the pitch are entirely Erik's fault as his tactics dont work and he refuses to change them so bringing in a new manager will at least solve a lot of those issues.I am not pro Erik.
But to think all the problems we have can be solved by just bringing in a new manger is not thinking things through..
It was part of a debate in which Erik gave his viewpoint.All the problems we are having on the pitch are entirely Erik's fault as his tactics dont work and he refuses to change them so bringing in a new manager will at least solve a lot of those issues.
Erik was told years ago by Ruud Gullit that the tactics he was using at Ajax were leaving his midfield too open and exposed and all these years later he is still playing his team with the midfield in the exact same situation.
SJR said we have had good mangers before. But the conditions were not there to succeed.How am I wrong? The managers at United have always bought the players, we've introduced a hybrid system under Murtough that has now been dismantled. But it was still ETH in overall command, the vast majority of the players signed being his first choice targets.
Are you suggesting Fergie as manager didn't buy players? What are you on about? How was he any different to Moyes, LVG, Mourinho or ETH?
The glazers are immaterial to my point as the club operated like this long before they bought us.
You totally failed to answer my points.SJR said we have had good mangers before. But the conditions were not there to succeed.
So the Glazers are material to the discussion.
What you are suggesting is we do not need a football board which is not true.
You have failed to understand that Fergie did not operate without Board approval.You totally failed to answer my points.
Why on earth do we need to wait on Berrada, Wilcox and Ashworth? is the club paralyzed until they officially start. Heaven forbid we communicate with them prior to the official start. Of course would be hard to approach them in the first place, agree terms and then sign a contract without actually speaking to them. Plans will be made for next season. Funnily enough we don’t even need to wait for the season to end to plan ahead. Moving on after 2 seasons where the manager has blatantly failed to offer up any reason why Ineos wouldn’t file him under anything but a last desperate gamble on a deeply flawed regime. The clickbait merchant having a field day over this. ineos will bring in their own man like they are doing with all the senior positions in the club.If it was in the context of a usual season of injuries and a lack of turmoil and distractions off the pitch, I’d agree with you. INEOS however will take a long term approach and not the desperate knee jerk move you and others are looking for. They will wait for Berrada, Wilcox and then Ashworth before making a move. The fact the squad has not given up on ten Hag and his methods is also a big clue what will happen. ten Hag will be given another year.
You’re exactly the type of supporter who complains about the glazers and the lack of footballing structure leading to failure and now wanting the club to appoint a new manager without Berrada, Wilcox or Ashworth having a say….Make that make sense…Why on earth do we need to wait on Berrada, Wilcox and Ashworth? is the club paralyzed until they officially start. Heaven forbid we communicate with them prior to the official start. Of course would be hard to approach them in the first place, agree terms and then sign a contract without actually speaking to them. Plans will be made for next season. Funnily enough we don’t even need to wait for the season to end to plan ahead. Moving on after 2 seasons where the manager has blatantly failed to offer up any reason why Ineos wouldn’t file him under anything but a last desperate gamble on a deeply flawed regime. The clickbait merchant having a field day over this. ineos will bring in their own man like they are doing with all the senior positions in the club.
Well I can’t make any sense with you. Reading and understanding is obviously a bit much for you. My point above obviously went straight over your precious head. Berrada was the first and top of the tree. Do you think the 2 below him were appointed without his approval? I can goon and on but hey why interrupt a fool when he’s making an idiot of himself. Your exactly the type of supporter who maybe shouldn’t try to make things personal.You’re exactly the type of supporter who complains about the glazers and the lack of footballing structure leading to failure and now wanting the club to appoint a new manager without Berrada, Wilcox or Ashworth having a say….Make that make sense…
It’s not really a long term decision to give someone another year because you aren’t ready to make a decision, it’s pretty short term and knee jerk in fact. The most likely outcome if he does get another year is he gets sacked anyway.If it was in the context of a usual season of injuries and a lack of turmoil and distractions off the pitch, I’d agree with you. INEOS however will take a long term approach and not the desperate knee jerk move you and others are looking for. They will wait for Berrada, Wilcox and then Ashworth before making a move. The fact the squad has not given up on ten Hag and his methods is also a big clue what will happen. ten Hag will be given another year.
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