Djemba x2 was the worst I’ve ever seenHow about Ralph Milne and Peter Barnes
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Djemba x2 was the worst I’ve ever seenHow about Ralph Milne and Peter Barnes
Yes, it is. He wasn't playing in the 10 in that many games, and when he was we actually were having a spell of decent form.Is that a serious question mate?
He couldn't play as a no10, because he couldn't trap a bag of cement never mind play as the creative point in a team to link midfield and attack.
He dropped him last year for one game when he 'overslept'. We all know he dropped him when he went partying, and when he was very off form he dropped him for 1-2 games on the bounce.So not really a "phase" then. Just the odd match and I can't even remember that but I think it was very few.
Yeah he was pretty good away to BarcaYes, it is. He wasn't playing in the 10 in that many games, and when he was we actually were having a spell of decent form.
He hardly ever drops players due to poor form, it usually has to be for disciplinary reasons like being a minute late for the team bus, partying or liking a tweet. Even with Ronaldo he only really parted with him after he went public with Piers Morgan interview, prior to that he was actually our captain in the last game before.He dropped him last year for one game when he 'overslept'. We all know he dropped him when he went partying, and when he was very off form he dropped him for 1-2 games on the bounce.
Agree its' not a 'phase' per say, but this notion that he lacks the balls to drop players is just nonsensical.
He's dropped Antony for form and he's dropped Varane because he wasn't dependable to stay fit each game. The thing with this season is that he's been burned so hard with injuries he doesn't exactly have the novelty of dropping say, Bruno. Who the feck does he put on that's going to do better beyond reasonable doubt? As for Rashford , there's a catch 22 with him. His logic would have been "keep playing him and he'll turn good and repay the faith" which is fair given how Rashford's output was last season,He hardly ever drops players due to poor form, it usually has to be for disciplinary reasons like being a minute late for the team bus, partying or liking a tweet. Even with Ronaldo he only really parted with him after he went public with Piers Morgan interview, prior to that he was actually our captain in the last game before.
Then Ten Hag either has no clue in how to incorporate a successful organized press, or he doesn't value it properly because Rashford's effort levels regardless of form, doesn't justify as much time as he has gotten.No, I believe Rashford is a key part of Erik’s plans. Marcus being out of form this season doesn’t change that fact.
Agree on Ander and Shaw. In hindsight probably right he left when he did but still love Herrera.Worth remembering LVG sabotaged the Kroos deal before you give him too much leeway
And Herrera and Shaw were excellent signings prior to Shaw getting injured.
That's certainly a new one. United fans trying to make the manager job position so insignificant that even ETH could do it. Primary objective, don't sack the manager. Hire people to guide him with man management and tactics.Why the feck should he need someone to tell him that the suicidal way he's sets this team up to play is fecking stupid and not conducive to winning football games?
Source? I'm guessing you're referring to his instructions on what to do with balls played across the box? That was stupid. Not sure what your point is though?Van Gaal classed doing things first-time as a "mistake". He'd make the players sit through boring video sessions where he'd do shit like call out successful dribbles as "mistakes" because there was an option to play a nice, safe, backwards pass.
Your commitment to this bit is absurd. "I hated van Gaal" he says, talking up van Gaal and making out he was extremely hard done by not being allowed to sign Neymar for an astronomical fee.
All to further compound the point that Ten Hag looks quite shit too.
No mention of poor Ten Hag not getting Min-Jae, de Jong and Kane though.
Players autobiographies and interviews.Source?
He used creative players in many of his teams. He tried to sign Neymar, why would he do that if he didn't want somebody to dribble? LVG is a lot of things but I don't buy that he wouldn't have used Bruno, or that he wouldn't have made the tumescent football better - something he may have liked. I might be wrong, but neither of us know that for sure.
And you're missing the point re Neymar, as per. I'm pointing to the fact that he's gone on record to say he asked for him, showing that he wasn't completely against risk. If you can explain why he wanted Neymar if he doesn't want any risk takers, then I'm all ears.
I mean, it's what Zidane did at Real Madrid.That's certainly a new one. United fans trying to make the manager job position so insignificant that even ETH could do it. Primary objective, don't sack the manager. Hire people to guide him with man management and tactics.
Because ETH has a different level of involvement in it, and I actually believe that ETH has mostly got his targets, whereas LVG claims he didn't.Stop talking crap. How the hell can you say LVG was let down by poor signings, yet this is all on EtH?
Fecking crazy isn't it.That's certainly a new one. United fans trying to make the manager job position so insignificant that even ETH could do it. Primary objective, don't sack the manager. Hire people to guide him with man management and tactics.
Which ones? Point me to anything that says dribbling wasn't allowed. He seemed to encourage Martial to dribble - the only thing I would give LVG (other then coaching us to keep the ball to a basic level) was that I enjoyed Martial's first season under him more than any season since. And that was for his dribbling and willingness to take his man on every time he got the ball.Players autobiographies and interviews.
He wasn't totally against risk because his shit-on-a-stick style relied heavily on one of the forwards doing something brilliant for us to score.
Again, your commitment to this is bizarre when you could have just gone "hey lads, this Ten Hag fella is a bit naff, isn't he?" and had basically everyone agree.
I'll just take you back to this:Which ones? Point me to anything that says dribbling wasn't allowed. He seemed to encourage Martial to dribble - the only thing I would give LVG (other then coaching us to keep the ball to a basic level) was that I enjoyed Martial's first season under him more than any season since. And that was for his dribbling and willingness to take his man on every time he got the ball.
I'm committed to it simply because it is you mate. You try to take arguments off on tangents every time and I'll just keep going.
And if he 'relied heavily on one of the forwards doing something brilliant for us to score', then maybe we can agree that he might have liked Bruno?
You've tied yourself in knots over this, just to try and compound the point that Ten Hag isn't up to it.He would have hated Bruno. Everything we saw from him during his time here, and everything we've heard about him since he went, paints a picture of a man who despised wastefulness, which is a pretty common element of Bruno's game. He'd either have been dropped or permanently shunted the wing.
I agree with most of your points, but this bit isn’t that black and white. There are clearly other facets to Rashfords game aside from pressing that Erik values. Maybe he is also trying/hoping to play Marcus into form. (I seem to recall him doing this with Martial before?!)Then Ten Hag either has no clue in how to incorporate a successful organized press, or he doesn't value it properly because Rashford's effort levels regardless of form, doesn't justify as much time as he has gotten.
Think with LVG we went the DOF of football route without actually having one and did a mainly bad job of it. ETH has been fully involved which is why we signed ex players and players he has seen in the Dutch league. Think Casemiro could have been a great signing, but we didn't know his legs were going so spectacularly as they have.Because ETH has a different level of involvement in it, and I actually believe that ETH has mostly got his targets, whereas LVG claims he didn't.
Yeah in spite of Weghorst being shoehorned into the team.Yes, it is. He wasn't playing in the 10 in that many games, and when he was we actually were having a spell of decent form.
Weghorst didn't play badly in the 10 in that many games, and we were actually looking well balanced for the bulk of it. He switched up the style and gave the opposition something different to worry about, and it yielded results.Yeah in spite of Weghorst being shoehorned into the team.
Wow, I know you love ETH, fair enough. But to say that he didnt play badly is a joke. He was woeful. I watched him a lot. Zero attacking threat, slow and cumbersome, couldn't win headers, barely held the ball. One of our worse signings ever. It didn't yield results, zero goals and 1 assist in 17 league games. Remember, ETH chose to play him ahead of Elanga, whose not top level but has shown at Forest he is a handful and has 5 goals and 8 assists this season for a struggling team. Come off it.Weghorst didn't play badly in the 10 in that many games, and we were actually looking well balanced for the bulk of it. He switched up the style and gave the opposition something different to worry about, and it yielded results.
I hate getting baited into side debates. All I said is Ten Hag has balls to drop big names if he needs to and now we are discussing Weghorst in a 10
That argumentation doesn't quite convince me yet, my friend.Good effort at trying to polish a turd
Yet any success will be of course still attributed solely or at least primary to EtH - like now when people are saying “HE won the cup, he finished 3rd”. And if anything goes badly - it will be the higher-ups who tied his hands or players who let him down.That's certainly a new one. United fans trying to make the manager job position so insignificant that even ETH could do it. Primary objective, don't sack the manager. Hire people to guide him with man management and tactics.
But there is no coordination. Real were well drilledTo be fair Hojlund, Bruno and for most of this season Garnacho all work hard. Only Rashford can’t be bothered (Amad I’ve not seen enough of).
Oh believe me, I dimmed my expectations a long time ago. However what I do expect is:That argumentation doesn't quite convince me yet, my friend.
Would you believe even I was suprised our factual against goals stat, is better than Spurs, Villa? The point im trying to make - also with LvG ball, is that ETH for some reason cannot win. People want more control but when we had control under LvG we lacked attack. Indeed the slight, the one moment we finally entered the opposition box we cheered! How pathetic was that? When we attack we lack control. You can't have your cake and eat it in this one, imo. We hired ETH for his high octane, high turn overs and there he evidently delivered. You want more control you will have to sacrifice other parts.
Also a reality check would not go amiss. Under LvG United was undeniable one of the top 4 big powerhouse clubs in the world. At the moment they might still be revenue wise, but sporting we are below a whole list just in PL alone. The game has grown much more from hiring a top notch manager and all will be well.
I hope he delivers but if not I hope the powers that be will make a good, a very good plan how to hire the absolute top. And that might take a while.
Not sure if serious..ETH has assembled a very powerful team. Just imagine if everyone stays fit and the team will be powerful with Hojlund. Garnacho is incredible on the right wing. Though Rashford isn't perfect, he is still the best player for the left wing at the moment.
Then there is Bruno, Casemiro, Mainoo, Varane, Luke Shaw. Amazing depth together with a mix of veterans experiences with eager young energy. Absolutely incredible.
Hi mate, if you could bottle up this enthusiasm and positivity I'd be interested in purchasing someETH has assembled a very powerful team. Just imagine if everyone stays fit and the team will be powerful with Hojlund. Garnacho is incredible on the right wing. Though Rashford isn't perfect, he is still the best player for the left wing at the moment.
Then there is Bruno, Casemiro, Mainoo, Varane, Luke Shaw. Amazing depth together with a mix of veterans experiences with eager young energy. Absolutely incredible.
Hi Erik.ETH has assembled a very powerful team. Just imagine if everyone stays fit and the team will be powerful with Hojlund. Garnacho is incredible on the right wing. Though Rashford isn't perfect, he is still the best player for the left wing at the moment.
Then there is Bruno, Casemiro, Mainoo, Varane, Luke Shaw. Amazing depth together with a mix of veterans experiences with eager young energy. Absolutely incredible.
Frenkie De Jong over CasemiroBecause ETH has a different level of involvement in it, and I actually believe that ETH has mostly got his targets, whereas LVG claims he didn't.
Have you ever seen such bollocksETH has assembled a very powerful team. Just imagine if everyone stays fit and the team will be powerful with Hojlund. Garnacho is incredible on the right wing. Though Rashford isn't perfect, he is still the best player for the left wing at the moment.
Then there is Bruno, Casemiro, Mainoo, Varane, Luke Shaw. Amazing depth together with a mix of veterans experiences with eager young energy. Absolutely incredible.
Look mate genuine opinion and I'm not just saying it as a slight against Erik. But for me Weghorst had one decent half as a 10 against Barca.Weghorst didn't play badly in the 10 in that many games, and we were actually looking well balanced for the bulk of it. He switched up the style and gave the opposition something different to worry about, and it yielded results.
I hate getting baited into side debates. All I said is Ten Hag has balls to drop big names if he needs to and now we are discussing Weghorst in a 10
I don't think he was as bad as people claim in the 10 in every single game. That's why I actually asked for the games he played 10 in and was poor, so that I can revisit those performances and get a better understanding.Look mate genuine opinion and I'm not just saying it as a slight against Erik. But for me Weghorst had one decent half as a 10 against Barca.
For me he shouldn't have played more than a few games for United he was so limited.
My stance on Ten Hag has nothing to do with the point I made.Wow, I know you love ETH, fair enough. But to say that he didnt play badly is a joke. He was woeful. I watched him a lot. Zero attacking threat, slow and cumbersome, couldn't win headers, barely held the ball. One of our worse signings ever. It didn't yield results, zero goals and 1 assist in 17 league games. Remember, ETH chose to play him ahead of Elanga, whose not top level but has shown at Forest he is a handful and has 5 goals and 8 assists this season for a struggling team. Come off it.
As a finisher yes, he was very poor. Yet despite that it was better having him than not. Way better then Martial at this point.Probably the worst player I’ve ever seen in a Utd shirt, relative to his position.
First touch passing has to be used when appropriate, not all the time. Van Gaal is a teacher; he will have hammered on many aspects which can annoy certain players which have not been taught the basics.Source? I'm guessing you're referring to his instructions on what to do with balls played across the box? That was stupid. Not sure what your point is though?
He used creative players in many of his teams. He tried to sign Neymar, why would he do that if he didn't want somebody to dribble? LVG is a lot of things but I don't buy that he wouldn't have used Bruno, or that he wouldn't have made the tumescent football better - something he may have wanted. I might be wrong, but neither of us know that for sure.
And you're missing the point re Neymar. I'm pointing to the fact that he's gone on record to say he asked for him, showing that he wasn't completely against risk. If you can explain why he wanted Neymar if he doesn't want any risk takers, then I'm all ears. Nothing to do with the fact he didn't get him Neymar, couldn't care less as I was glad to see the back of him.
I didn't wanna hurt the original posters feelingsDjemba x2 was the worst I’ve ever seen
Not old enough to remember Bebe thenProbably the worst player I’ve ever seen in a Utd shirt, relative to his position.
Staying fit and using Varane and Shaw as examples is a bit of an oxymoronETH has assembled a very powerful team. Just imagine if everyone stays fit and the team will be powerful with Hojlund. Garnacho is incredible on the right wing. Though Rashford isn't perfect, he is still the best player for the left wing at the moment.
Then there is Bruno, Casemiro, Mainoo, Varane, Luke Shaw. Amazing depth together with a mix of veterans experiences with eager young energy. Absolutely incredible.
Too much delusion in this post.ETH has assembled a very powerful team. Just imagine if everyone stays fit and the team will be powerful with Hojlund. Garnacho is incredible on the right wing. Though Rashford isn't perfect, he is still the best player for the left wing at the moment.
Then there is Bruno, Casemiro, Mainoo, Varane, Luke Shaw. Amazing depth together with a mix of veterans experiences with eager young energy. Absolutely incredible.