[MF1138]

Have you been in the matchday thread during a game?

You honestly think that 4 minutes into a game a ball gets played over the top and the defender passes it back to the goalkeeper in a nothing incident, people would complain? Give it a rest.

The hoops people jump through to let this guy off the hook for terrible blunders is truly astounding.

 

[André Dominguez]

Both at fault: when Dorgu last look, Onana was a few yards behind. Then he uses peripherical vision to check how far was his opponent and made a no look pass to the position he last saw Onana.
Onana should be nowhere that high with the ball being controlled by a defender.

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

I'm surprised half these players were good enough for Ajax

 

[André Dominguez]

I'm surprised half these players were good enough for Ajax

Sometimes the whole is greater than the sum of all parts.
A lot of teams in history were like that: Ajax, FC Porto, Super Depor, etc are all examples of that.

 

[Blood Mage]

Awful goalkeeper, just lacking the fundamentals completely. We bought him because he can pass the ball well but even if he can, he does it too slowly and casually.

 

[TsuWave]

I’ve repeatedly seen people say “least of our worries” when speaking of Onana.

I disagree.

 

[Nobby style]

I’ve repeatedly seen people say “least of our worries” when speaking of Onana.

I disagree.

Our pourous midfield, our strikers, our being outplayed by everybody, our recruitment, our injuries, our horrible tactics, every team looks better coached than us, our overpaying shit players and being stuck with them, our clown car drama with Ronaldo, Sancho and Rashford, massive management mistakes like signing on ETH for another year . . . far far far worse, all of it, than our goalkeeper

We have probably the worst attack in our history, and City already have arguably the best striker in the world . . . and what happens in January, they pick up Marmoush. We get . . . Dorgu. This is madness. Our keeper is not our worst problem

 

[M Bison]

You honestly think that 4 minutes into a game a ball gets played over the top and the defender passes it back to the goalkeeper in a nothing incident, people would complain? Give it a rest.

The hoops people jump through to let this guy off the hook for terrible blunders is truly astounding.

Again, look back at the match day thread, people complain over literally everything. He was right to come for the ball, it was a Dorgu “blunder” not his.

The second was most certainly his mistake though, no doubting that!

 

[TsuWave]

Our pourous midfield, our strikers, our being outplayed by everybody, our recruitment, our injuries, our horrible tactics, every team looks better coached than us, our overpaying shit players and being stuck with them, our clown car drama with Ronaldo, Sancho and Rashford, massive management mistakes like signing on ETH for another year . . . far far far worse, all of it, than our goalkeeper

We have probably the worst attack in our history, and City already have arguably the best striker in the world . . . and what happens in January, they pick up Marmoush. We get . . . Dorgu. This is madness. Our keeper is not our worst problem

At no point does it say in my post that our keeper is our worst problem

picking up Dorgu was a good move, by the way - as we are short of/have no natural LWB/LB’s

 

[Danny]

Again, look back at the match day thread, people complain over literally everything. He was right to come for the ball, it was a Dorgu “blunder” not his.

The second was most certainly his mistake though, no doubting that!

He wasn't right to come for the ball at all. Dorgu had the situation under control until Onana complicated it by closing the space down late.

 

[M Bison]

He wasn't right to come for the ball at all. Dorgu had the situation under control until Onana complicated it by closing the space down late.

Nah no chance, it was the keepers ball all day. I get and to an extent agree, Onana is public enemy no 1 at the moment for repeated mistakes but he was right to come for it. Where he went wrong was the communication, he could have called for it in his defence but it didn’t look that way to me.

 

[MF1138]

Again, look back at the match day thread, people complain over literally everything. He was right to come for the ball, it was a Dorgu “blunder” not his.

There is no version of reality where that is true. He 100% instigates the problem by getting far too close to Dorgu. If he doesn't rush into a situation he has no need to then Dorgu plays a simple pass and nobody mentions it ever again. Ever. If you can't see that I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[Stack]

Nah no chance, it was the keepers ball all day. I get and to an extent agree, Onana is public enemy no 1 at the moment for repeated mistakes but he was right to come for it. Where he went wrong was the communication, he could have called for it in his defence but it didn’t look that way to me.

Nope,
Dorgu has control, he is between the attacker and Onana. He has the ball under control and is shielding it. Onana should not have come but should have made himself available to receive. By coming to Dorgu in that situation he has crowded Dorgu. Thats basic schoolboy level stuff. It was never the keepers ball. Ever.

 

[Utd heap]

Nah no chance, it was the keepers ball all day. I get and to an extent agree, Onana is public enemy no 1 at the moment for repeated mistakes but he was right to come for it. Where he went wrong was the communication, he could have called for it in his defence but it didn’t look that way to me.

He's not public enemy number one mate he's just shit.

 

[RuudTom83]

I wonder what Amorim thinks of him.

A new CF must be top of his wish list but a new GK can’t be far behind.

 

[T00lsh3d]

Properly shit.

Like, beyond the normal realms of shit.

He. Is. Shit.

Just how shit is he?

 

[Cantonalegod]

Just how shit is he?

The diarrhoea of goalkeeping!

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Again, look back at the match day thread, people complain over literally everything. He was right to come for the ball, it was a Dorgu “blunder” not his.

The second was most certainly his mistake though, no doubting that!

He has full view of the pitch, he should be communicating to Dorgu that he was collecting it. He is erratic, which unsettles the entire defense.

 

[M Bison]

Nope,
Dorgu has control, he is between the attacker and Onana. He has the ball under control and is shielding it. Onana should not have come but should have made himself available to receive. By coming to Dorgu in that situation he has crowded Dorgu. Thats basic schoolboy level stuff. It was never the keepers ball. Ever.

Not for me mate, the issue is in communication, not him in coming for it which is what he should be doing in my view, it was an easy one to collect whereas Dorgu had a player behind him and there wasnt much he could do with it other than put it out of play but will agree to disagree.

He's not public enemy number one mate he's just shit.

Never for a second said he wasnt, but because he's playing poorly its clouding people's judgement imo.

He has full view of the pitch, he should be communicating to Dorgu that he was collecting it. He is erratic, which unsettles the entire defense.

Agree, he should be communicating, thats where it fell down as i said in a later post. Never once have i said he isnt erratic or unsettling, im simply talking about this one incident.

 

[Greck]

Again, look back at the match day thread, people complain over literally everything. He was right to come for the ball, it was a Dorgu “blunder” not his.

The second was most certainly his mistake though, no doubting that!

No one is escaping blame on this one. If a keeper is coming for that he has to make a shout. The goalkeeper's handbook on accountability in that situation has been written for decades. Without a shout the best case scenario is a head on collision with Dorgu. Dorgu shares blame but he already had to track the flight of the ball and the pressure behind him. Onana sees all of this, stays quiet and still jumps headfirst into the action. We need to check all of his sports betting accounts because the brainfarts are so bad.

 

[Paul778]

It was raining and the surface was very slick. If you watch the slow motion of Dorgu they showed at half time he was looking intensely at the ball. He wanted to make sure he timed his touch correctly.

It was unfortunate at best. However there are only so many times Onana can be unfortunate until it just looks like sloppiness.

If i were him i would be doing extra training every day to practice making saves where the ball is deflected out of play. I've lost count how many times he has gifted opportunities to opponents with poor technique.

For the amount we paid for him you'd expect he'd be competent on the goalkeeping basics you're taught at school.

 

[DonBecks]

Nah no chance, it was the keepers ball all day. I get and to an extent agree, Onana is public enemy no 1 at the moment for repeated mistakes but he was right to come for it. Where he went wrong was the communication, he could have called for it in his defence but it didn’t look that way to me.

As the ball is travelling, Dorgu looks at Onana to see if he's coming. He is not coming.

Dorgu then has to deal with the situation and with the ball travelling over his shoulder and the conditions of the night he absolutely has to be focusing on the ball, if he loses the flight of it, he could be toast.

In this period where Dorgu now has to focus on the ball because Onana isn't coming, Onana decides to come out. It's an absolutely farcical decision from Onana to come so late.

 

[FujiVice]

Remember when he bollocked Maguire in pre-season? Picked what he thought was the easiest target to set his marker. Dont see much of that anymore.

 

[NotChatGPT]

Again, look back at the match day thread, people complain over literally everything. He was right to come for the ball, it was a Dorgu “blunder” not his.

The second was most certainly his mistake though, no doubting that!

Onana makes an absolute mess out of it. If you're going to go for the ball you better be communicating it clearly and then fecking go for it. He's standing still, starts running when he sees the bounce and then hesitates when he gets closer to Dorgu who is about to take a touch.

To make matters even worse, he'd struggle to get there ahead of the Ipswich player if Dorgu had backed off.

No idea how anyone can look at Onanas involvement in that and go "Oh he did right"

Dorgu doesn't cover himself with glory, but he has Maguire telling him to pass it back to Onana and when he first looks up he sees Onana standing close to the penalty spot.

You'd prefer Onana to stand still at the penalty spot so that the pass is to the side rather than passing it straight towards a player, as it's easy to not put enough on it when you're running forward and you have to pass in the same direction, especially with someone behind you who will continue to follow the path of the ball.

 

[tentan]

I'm surprised half these players were good enough for Ajax

They are just good in average leagues, the Premier league is just too big of a step up for them.

Onana, De ligt, Antony, Lisandro Martinez. Amorim and Ten Hag.

 

[pocco]

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/s/7r4dWm6MmD

 

[Irwin99]

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/s/7r4dWm6MmD

He still gave the ball away for the second . Another part of his game that I was expecting better from.

 

[lex talionis]

He wasn't right to come for the ball at all. Dorgu had the situation under control until Onana complicated it by closing the space down late.

Exactly. Dorgu had it all the way and Onana misread the situation by coming out that far for a ball that was under the control of the defender by then. Dorgu should have seen Onana’s mistake and just cleared the ball. A cluster all the way around.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Again, look back at the match day thread, people complain over literally everything. He was right to come for the ball, it was a Dorgu “blunder” not his.

The second was most certainly his mistake though, no doubting that!

A good keeper has to communicate. It’s another thing Onana isn’t good at.

 

[The Constant Gardener]

Taibi only lasted three games before he was shipped out! This clown will no doubt get three seasons before he gets the boot, again highlighting our decline in standards.

 

[erikcred]

Again, look back at the match day thread, people complain over literally everything. He was right to come for the ball, it was a Dorgu “blunder” not his.

In real time and from the camera view above and slightly behind Dorgu alone, it's natural to blame him also for apparently not seeing a big goalie come running towards him. The other angles and slow motion definitively show what @André Dominguez said. It's not a national secret that matchday threads are full of kneejerk reactions, especially when our defence fecks up.

when Dorgu last look, Onana was a few yards behind. Then he uses peripherical vision to check how far was his opponent and made a no look pass to the position he last saw Onana.
Onana should be nowhere that high with the ball being controlled by a defender.

 

[devilish]

Again, look back at the match day thread, people complain over literally everything. He was right to come for the ball, it was a Dorgu “blunder” not his.

The second was most certainly his mistake though, no doubting that!

Onana is 28 years old. He played with Ajax, Inter and United and had reached CL semi finals and finals. In few words he's the senior player. By default GKs should control what happens around their own box let alone when the player in question is a a young signing fresh from Lecce. The best goalkeepers in the world were great communicators, most were bullies as well (Schmeichel, Buffon, Kahn).

We've got a goalkeeper who doesn't communicate, who goes marauding forward, who can't save a ball and whom when he parries the ball it always end in the opponent's feet. In few words he's useless.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

In real time and from the camera view above and slightly behind Dorgu alone, it's natural to blame him also for apparently not seeing a big goalie come running towards him. The other angles and slow motion definitively show what @André Dominguez said. It's not a national secret that matchday threads are full of kneejerk reactions, especially when our defence fecks up.

I saw the goal and the situation was completely Dorgu’s to deal with. Onana just starts sprinting like a moton for no apparent reason as if it was a tense situation that demanding escalation. It wasn’t, and his last minute dash was complete unnecessary. And regardless, GKs should be commanding in situations like this - if they are intervening they need to make sure they are heard. Dorgu isn’t blameless of course, he should have spotted the rushing Onana but the latter made it a complicated situation without any reason.

I don’t think there’s point deliberating on Onana much. He’s the biggest liability we have. A calamitous keeper who needs to be replaced asap. He’s not very good at most things we need our keeper to be great at.

 

[Lyng]

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/s/7r4dWm6MmD

Yeah this is a great example. Onana should have stayed back and this would never have been a goal.
Dave wasnt good enough in the end, but he was still a lot better than Onana. Onana is awful.

 

[Mmm-Qatarian]

I actually think the second goal is more reflective of the primary issue with Onana than the first on reflection.

With the first I think it's reasonable to put it down to a collective cock-up from both Onana and Dorgu that came from them not being used to each other. It's fairly easy to just blame Onana by saying that if he stays on his line Dorgu plays an easy pass (although the pass Dorgu did play was terrible even given Onana's position) but it's equally easy to say if Dorgu just leaves it then Onana would most likely have whacked it clear. It's likely a miscommunication error, and without knowing who said what it's tough to determine exactly how the blame should be apportioned. As I say, ultimately I think if that error happened in isolation and Onana was otherwise fairly dependable then it'd be put down to fairly common teething problems with Dorgu acclimatising to the side.

The second goal was, to my mind, far more typical of the issues we've seen with Onana. It's a fairly tame ball to deal with and, whilst the fake from Delap (I think it was Delap?) made it slightly trickier he really should be switched on enough to deal with it. Instead he reacts far too late and lets it past him. To my mind, THIS is far more of an issue because it keeps on fecking happening. He just doesn't react fast enough to shots and it means he either lets in shots he should be saving or parries them into dangerous areas.

 

[AmaraDanandra]

i have always backed onana, but i literally have lost my patience now.. an error for every 1/2 game is a disgrace for a senior player that has been around at top clubs

it brings back the memory of watching de gea's last 2 season at united - silly errors, very passive, unreliable and questionable decision-making

his ball playing is not even that impressive, just holds the ball too long without really making breakthrough passes

should have gone all out for diogo costa

 

[arnie_ni]

He also have the ball away with a errand throw that lead to the red card. Think that goes unnoticed

 

[Escobar]

Both at fault: when Dorgu last look, Onana was a few yards behind. Then he uses peripherical vision to check how far was his opponent and made a no look pass to the position he last saw Onana.
Onana should be nowhere that high with the ball being controlled by a defender.

No idea why this still needs explaining. It is so dead obvious and Onana has just too many brain farts, it is shocking how bad his decision making is, so erratic

 

[Escobar]

i have always backed onana, but i literally have lost my patience now.. an error for every 1/2 game is a disgrace for a senior player that has been around at top clubs

it brings back the memory of watching de gea's last 2 season at united - silly errors, very passive, unreliable and questionable decision-making

his ball playing is not even that impressive, just holds the ball too long without really making breakthrough passes

should have gone all out for diogo costa

Funny how United fans said that Costa makes way too many mistakes and that Onana is so good on the ball... His passing is crap, long ball to the opposition right away

 

[G97]

Again, look back at the match day thread, people complain over literally everything. He was right to come for the ball, it was a Dorgu “blunder” not his.

The second was most certainly his mistake though, no doubting that!

If it’s Maguire or Martinez I can see why he’s coming for that. But he knows Dorgu can run and had it completely under control. How doesn’t he know the next action for Dorgu when he got to the ball could only be to pass it back to him? Utterly Onana’s fault.