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Hargreaves vs. Carrick, Feadingseagulls vs. Noodle, Chief (Bayern Fan!) vs. Logic
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Owen is a lovely lad, never gets into trouble, go's to bed early, says his prayers and always washes behind his ears.
does that help?
owen is a great player, he has just struggled to adapt to the english game, he will though.
i bet you all thought vida and evra were shit in their first year, give him a chance,
this thread has just gone mad hence why i havent bothered sticking up for him before,
there has been glimpses of brilliance this season from him, its just that carrick has been on better form
i bet you all thought vida and evra were shit in their first year, give him a chance,
this thread has just gone mad hence why i havent bothered sticking up for him before,
there has been glimpses of brilliance this season from him, its just that carrick has been on better form
what if he goes the other way - see JSV - and is flogged off after 2 yrs for 6m? and "brilliance" is something that will never be used with regards to his game. yes the free kick was a good one. after that what have you seen to post "brilliance"?
I'm definitely convinced that Carrick is better, he came on today and changed the game. His first touch is so underrated, i love watching him control a hard pass or intercept a pass halfway without having to hoof it somewhere.
so is hargreaves to blame for scholes (had two or three moments of brilliance he will be back to his usual self soon enough I hope) or anderson's performance today?
both. 
Nah, couldn't be. fecking stupid post, that.
it goes hand in hand with the hargreaves bashing posts in this thread.
By getting booked as soon as he came on and conceding possession a couple of times?
The ball over the top of Derby defence to Rooney for our goal was from Fletcher I think.
O'Shea.
By getting booked as soon as he came on and conceding possession a couple of times?
The ball over the top of Derby defence to Rooney for our goal was from Fletcher I think.
There's no point in arguing any of that shite out so shut up, the pair of yis.
some 'brilliant through the legs tackles at anfield.
infact he was one of the best players on the pitch at anfield,
hargreaves can and will play to a very high standard, ffs hes used to the fecking german league
Really ? Thought it was from the left of our midfield. How did OShea find himself there? Great ball though.
Maybe it wasn't. It makes absolutely no difference whatsoever anyway.
Carrick played some blinding passes when he came on.
By getting booked as soon as he came on and conceding possession a couple of times?
The ball over the top of Derby defence to Rooney for our goal was from Fletcher I think.
What's with the anti-Carrick agenda. Can't you wank over Hargreaves and admit Carrick can play a bit of football?
That's the killer here. Why can't people see that both are fantastic footballers who offer a lot to the team. One being good doesn't automatically mean the other has to suck.Carrick played some blinding passes when he came on.
What's with the anti-Carrick agenda. Can't you wank over Hargreaves and admit Carrick can play a bit of football?
When Carrick came on, we had something that we had been lacking for the majority of the second half. Despite losing the ball a few times, Carrick added composure to our team which was essential considering the Derby players were playing as if there was no limit to their stamina.
Carrick must play whenever possible. We are a completely different team without him and there rarely seems to be fluidity in the team when he is absent. Again, he does so much that goes by without any notice and his passing range really has become exceptional. There has never been any doubt about his ability to pull them off but he now seems more confident in his own ability to do so.
He's probably our best centre midfielder right now and he's really surprised me because i'm starting to think he was worth all of what was once perceived to be a ridiculous fee. There were many reasons why we were a much better team last year as opposed to the year before, but i believe that the signing of Michael Carrick was at least as influencial as the return of Giggs and Scholes and also the rise of Vidic and Evra.
Carrick must play whenever possible. We are a completely different team without him and there rarely seems to be fluidity in the team when he is absent. Again, he does so much that goes by without any notice and his passing range really has become exceptional. There has never been any doubt about his ability to pull them off but he now seems more confident in his own ability to do so.
He's probably our best centre midfielder right now and he's really surprised me because i'm starting to think he was worth all of what was once perceived to be a ridiculous fee. There were many reasons why we were a much better team last year as opposed to the year before, but i believe that the signing of Michael Carrick was at least as influencial as the return of Giggs and Scholes and also the rise of Vidic and Evra.
Spot on
As soon as Hargreaves demonstrates he's a fantastic footballer I will praise him as such.
This thread's getting boring again, people are talking about football. It needs more porpoises and bollocks. Where's that cnut Plech when you need him. It's epic verse time.
Thought Hargreaves was OK yesterday incidently.
Thought Hargreaves was OK yesterday incidently.
Hate to break this to you...but he did'nt play.
Whoosh!
Chief you are a bayern fan? feckin hell
yep, but his second team is United
I had some great wank yesterday after Bayern lost to Cottbus.
One of his most effective games I thought.
Is Der Rubbersfuhrer supporting City today now that they beat Everton?
Will this reach 100 pages?
But that's second, not second, you understand?
I, however, am his first most hated person. Well, when I say first, I mean first after Zidane, who is second. I think.
it just shows how desperate some people are, that in order to defend one player they feel the need to wrongly criticize the other at every chance. They blame Carrick for Milan's two goals at Old Trafford (regardless of the make-shift United defence), while at the same time they praise Hargreaves' ablility to keep Kaka quiet in Germany (but of course failing to mention that Kaka set up Milan's two goals to knock bayern out in that game).Carrick played some blinding passes when he came on.
What's with the anti-Carrick agenda. Can't you wank over Hargreaves and admit Carrick can play a bit of football?
Oh please.
First, not one of the people supporting Hargreaves in this thread thinks Carrick is anything but a good player.
Second, you cannot suggest Carrick was blameless for Kaka having his way ALL GAME because United were tired and missing key players and then turn around and say Hargreaves was shit and Bayern were shit when they were missing approximately half of their first team regulars and some of the first team players that did play were forced to play out of position to cover for areas of greater weakness.
The point about Bayern vs Milan last year and United vs Milan last year seems to have completely sailed over your head. I'll break it down a little bit for you.
1) United were exhausted and missing key players, Bayern were missing more key players.
2) Kaka had his way with our midfield anchored by Carrick from start to finish. Kaka had roughly 2 chances in the Bayern game to do anything. He is an excellent player and he managed to make something happen with his limited number of chances.
3) Milan ran roughshod over us. The statistics support this. Milan was pressured and hemmed into their end for the vast majority of their game versus Bayern. Bayern squandered several chances to score. Milan punished them on the two clear cut chances they had the entire game.
Ok to recap. Against United, Kaka had his way with our midfield which was part of a depleted defensive unit, against Bayern which had wingers playing as fullbacks and with an even more heavily depleted team Kaka was quiet throughout the match. The tale of the two games is completely different. Milan dominated us from start to finish. Milan played defensively against Bayern and caught them on the counter attack twice. The rest of the game they soaked up the ineffectual Bayern pressure.
If Micheal Jordan scores 12 points, but then hits a buzzer beater to win the game I guess Jordan had a dominant performance right? Or is he just a great player that takes his chances when they come?
This is an analogous to what Hargreaves did to Kaka. Kaka was minimally involved in the Bayern game as a central player in it. He did however manage to make a big impact in the game despite the fact he did not dictate play and was rarely seen. The guy is one of the best players in the world. He has the ability to be non-existent in a game and suddenly change it in one moment of brilliance.
The reason why Hargreaves and Bayern are mentioned has nothing to do with the ultimate result, but it has everything to do with the manner in which it was achieved. Kaka was limited in the game. He was limited in his touches and in his ability to create for Milan. He was not limited against us and he had free reign to do whatever he liked, however he liked, whenever he liked.
You can't expect to prevent a brilliant player from making an impact on the game 100% of the time. That is a highly unrealistic expectation. What you can hope for is to limit him.
Kaka will remain a dangerous player no matter what because he has the ability to turn one chance into a goal. Will he always do that? No, but that is besides the point. The point is would you rather Kaka be limited to a couple of clear cut chances to score or create, or would you rather he has the run of the game and is actively dictating?
That is in essence the crux of the argument put forth by the people who support Hargreaves as a useful player and this is why Hargreaves is a more capable defender than Carrick.
Is there anywhere I can download this Bayern vs Milan game?
Milan had the game wrapped up in the first 30 minutes. Kaka didn't even need 90 minutes to do his damage. They were winning by 2 goals with 2/3 of the game left, they allowed Bayern the possession because they had practically qualified for the semi's, they didn't need to score any more, or are you suggesting they should've gone for more goals?
How many clear cut chances did Bayern exactly have? Their possession meant feck all, because Milan had already done the damage and were more than comfortable holding on to the advantage. Kaka didn't need to make Hargreaves look average again, nor did Gattuso or Seedorf. 30 minutes was all that was needed for that to happen TWICE and knock Bayern out!! It's not that difficult to understand, really.
I don't know, I'll look around to see if I can find it, but here's the Guardian's match report you can read to get a sense of the game and Hargreaves' performance:
http://football.guardian.co.uk/Match_Report/0,,2055101,00.html
Meanwhile, here's the video of the two goals that won Milan the game in only the first 30 minutes:
Closely watch Hargreaves' marking on Kaka and the ease with which the Brazilian goes past him for the first goal, and look how well Hargreaves ''neutralizes'' Gattuso in the midde of the park, for the second goal
Good post, spot on.
Oh and to the Chief -
I'm sorry that you felt offended by me asking you if you had sand in your vagina.
feckin hell of course he was'nt bad on Saturday but you people talking about how he changed the game really piss me off. We had much more chances in the first half, without him, should have scored about 2-3 goals, also without him. So in what way did he change the game? He came on against a tired team that gave 110% against us, did an average job, had no shot on target no assist, so to say he changed our game is an overreaction.
Still, I agree with you. He should start. Just because he is in form, Scholes is not, Hargreaves is unneseccary for 75% of our games, and Anderson is only 19 and it's his first year at Manchester.
This thread has lost its passion. It's just not trying hard enough anymore. Or maybe because it's lost its passion it's trying too hard. Or something. I'm not sure. But if it left I wouldn't be too disappointed.
Anyway I've been doing some research and apparently stress and porpoises are related http://pages.cms.k12.nc.us/ScottHilborn/
"Unless you are experiencing stress, when you look at the picture below, you should be able to see two porpoises. If not, maybe you need a break?"
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