This thread belongs in middle earth.
Theres certainly a lot coming from people rings in here.
Theres certainly a lot coming from people rings in here.
So you're a racist too now father? Tell me, what would you be wanting to get into that kind of thing for?
Never buy black socks in a lay person's shop. They'll shaft you every time.
Nail on head.People keep telling me he's quick but frankly he doesn't look quick to me. No quicker than Carrick I would say on what I've seen. If aggressive means chasing the ball, then yes I've seen him do that for United. Usually to no great effect. I'm prepared to wait til next season before I pass judgement though - as I've said before, I think he's not fully fit and needs a good preseason.
Statistics are like bikinis. What they conceal is more important than what they show.13 games (3 goals + 7 assists) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 23 games (1 goal + 1 assist)
How the hell would we know?I've previously posted that Carrick 'was' our in form midfielder and also that he was unlucky to not start against Lyon away.
Doesn't make him our best midfielder this season though or even a great midfielder like most Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime claim. He is competent and he was in form around the time we were played Arsenal in the cup. After that he was average against Lyon at home and has been dropped for 3 games in a row. I am not so sure that he is currently in as good a form as he was a month ago.
And the passing stats and no. of passes attempted/completed can be found at most sites if you google Hargreaves has 85% completion rate. He keeps it simple but to say he keeps giving the ball away is silly.
Blatant misrepesentation there. I have said they contribute to the team not conceding. Not as much as defenders do but it is still obviously the job of the rest of the team, especially the midfielders, to help the defence when needed.No you haven't. If you did you would attributing your own bullshit to me. I haven't said any where the keeper and his defence defend alone. I just said the responsibility of stopping goals lies solely with them. Which is a blatantly obvious fact and isnt' even debatable. Which you keep calling nonsense. Meaning you believe striker and midfielders have the responsible for stopping goals. Not defenders.
Who, apart from you, claimed teams do that?
What is complete nonsense is you attributing that shit to me. Even when I've clearly pointed out how it wasn't what I said. But I'm beginning to think you are the type who would start a fight in an empty room. Launching a point of dispute where one never existed
No you haven't. If you did you would attributing your own bullshit to me. I haven't said any where the keeper and his defence defend alone. I just said the responsibility of stopping goals lies solely with them. Which is a blatantly obvious fact and isnt' even debatable. Which you keep calling nonsense. Meaning you believe striker and midfielders have the responsible for stopping goals. Not defenders.
Who, apart from you, claimed teams do that?
What is complete nonsense is you attributing that shit to me. Even when I've clearly pointed out how it wasn't what I said. But I'm beginning to think you are the type who would start a fight in an empty room. Launching a point of dispute where one never existed
It is not blatantly obvious and is extremely debatable. I gave you an example of Ferdinand, Vidic et al going forward for a set peice against Portsmouth leacving Rooney and Anderson to defend. Who's responsibility is it there to score goals and who's is it to try and stop goals from being scored aginst us?No you haven't. If you did you would attributing your own bullshit to me. I haven't said any where the keeper and his defence defend alone. I just said the responsibility of stopping goals lies solely with them. Which is a blatantly obvious fact and isnt' even debatable. Which you keep calling nonsense. Meaning you believe striker and midfielders have the responsible for stopping goals. Not defenders.
Who, apart from you, claimed teams do that?
What is complete nonsense is you attributing that shit to me. Even when I've clearly pointed out how it wasn't what I said. But I'm beginning to think you are the type who would start a fight in an empty room. Launching a point of dispute where one never existed
I notice Carrick was left out of the England squad today, while Hargreaves was included. So that would mean Capello agrees with...I lost track. What were we arguing about again?You wouldn't think so, would you ?
It just reaffirms something that many of us have being saying all along.I notice Carrick was left out of the England squad today, while Hargreaves was included. So that would mean Capello agrees with...I lost track. What were we arguing about again?
Is it Rafa? He's crap.
It just reaffirms something that many of us have being saying all along.
That Hargreaves fills a roll that Carrick doesn't.
Hargreaves isn't competing with Carrick for a spot on the team. Carricks competition is from guys like Lampard and Gerrard.
I'm hungry now.?
Unless you meant role. Well supposedly he does, albeit not entirely effectively at the moment. Especially seeing as Fletcher did such a sterling job with his chances this season so far.
Fletcher was more solid than Hargreaves has been all season.I'm hungry now.
And yes I meant role.
Fletcher was pretty solid yesterday wasn't he
Fletcher scores two goals and its made his season.Fletcher was more solid than Hargreaves has been all season.
Perhaps Hargreaves was included in the England squad because he takes freekicks for England now and again. For United it's a bit different when you have Ronaldo - despite the comments Hargreaves made to the press.
If Carrick isnt competing for the same place as Hargreaves then neither is Gareth Barry - yet he's still been picked ahead of him time and again.
That means one muppet out of this thread then.Hargreaves said:When asked how English he is, Hargreaves said his upbringing made him English.
"I'm very English, to be honest ... I was raised in Canada, but brought up in an English background," he said.
Instant Karma Closet Gooner said:Hargreaves is overrated anyway. He is El Blanco Sissoko. feck Hargreaves. Sign Veloso.
If you are going to make up quotes, we can play this game all day. You will look like the biggest fool since you hate the best player in the world currently - Ronaldo.That means one muppet out of this thread then.
Dippersripper said:Ronaldo, Anderson and Nani are shit. feck them. Lets sell them and sign English players like Downing, Nolan and Pennant. We will have an English core and we can play the proper British way with crosses into the box
I didn't make up the hargreaves quote. I never said Ronaldo or Nani or Anderson are shit, but you called Rooney El Blanco Heskey, and had a dig at every one of our English players whenever you had a chance. So, there is a very big chance that you'll hate hargreaves when you find out he is English.If you are going to make up quotes, we can play this game all day. You will look like the biggest fool since you hate the best player in the world currently - Ronaldo.
You have taken a dig at Ronaldo every chance and even when there hasnt been a chance because you feel pissed off that he has become one of the best players in the world and Rooney has remained in the great talent bracket.I never said Ronaldo or Nani or Anderson are shit, but you called Rooney El Blanco Heskey, and had a dig at every one of our English players whenever you had a chance.
Its not in a match rating thread, you called him heskey in a couple of threads. Search for El Blanco heskey in google and your thread come up in the first page.You have taken a dig at Ronaldo every chance and even when there hasnt been a chance.
The El Blanco Heskey comment was tongue in cheek and in a match rating thread. Most caftards gave him a worser rating than I did and said he was shite on that day. Does it mean he is a shite player ?
No, neither did Carrick or Nani or Anderson yet. When you pay 18 million for a player, you expect him to perform at the highest level for years, not just feck off after one great season. The price tag will be justified by the time he retires.Calm down boys...
Back to the topic - has Hargreaves justified his salary, let alone his transfer fee?
He does not determine his transfer fee and no one knows what his salary actually is. If he is offered another contract in 3 years time, SAF probably feels that he has justified it. If he gets shipped out for a few million, he has been a waste of money.Calm down boys...
Back to the topic - has Hargreaves justified his salary, let alone his transfer fee?
I quite simply dont have a problem. Everyone will have their favorites towards whom they are possibly less critical. The only problem I have is that my criticism is deemed as hatred when its fine to take a pop at the foreign players.Why do you have a problem if I like Fletcher or Giggs or Scholes or Rooney more than Ronaldo?
Carricks' already had a great season last year, Anderson and Nani were bought in for thier potential. It seems they look the real deal...No, neither did Carrick or Nani or Anderson yet. When you pay 18 million for a player, you expect him to perform at the highest level for years, not just feck off after one great season. The price tag will be justified by the time he retires.
He is just 6 months older than Carrick right ? From a different league and after a long injury lay off with no pre-season. This season has also been stop start with different midfield partners. Even Essien/Mascherano didnt look that good in their first seasons and they are more talented.Considering Hargreaves age and experience he should have given us a lot more in his first season.
He's certainly not playing for free...He does not determine his transfer fee and no one knows what his salary actually is. If he is offered another contract in 3 years time, SAF probably feels that he has justified it. So lets wait and see.
He is just 6 months older than Carrick right ? From a different league and after a long injury lay off with no pre-season. This season has also been stop start with different midfield partners. Even Essien and Mascherano didnt look that good in their first seasons.
And I have never claimed that Hargreaves is a world beater or that we will win the CL with him. Just that he gives us a better chance as he brings different abilities to the team.Carrick had an immediate impact, and helped us to a great season last year. I have never claimed Carrick is a World beater, there are plenty better around than him...
And Hargreaves does a lot more than just run around aimlessly.I'm not sure about the haters thing, but I'm pretty fecking sure that Carrick does a lot more than playing square or long balls.
I doubt anyone has a problem if Hargreaves brings the qualities you talk about to the team. The debate here is, he has so far not shown any glimpses of his supposed qualities - which some have interpreted as hatred for Hargreaves or have bought Carrick into the equation.And I have never claimed that Hargreaves is a world beater or that we will win the CL with him. Just that he gives us a better chance as he brings different abilities to the team.
But out here, if you take a side, you are either a Hargreaves lover or Hargreaves hater, a Carrick lover or Carrick hater. Everything is black or white with no shades of gray.
When was that then in a United shirt?And Hargreaves does a lot more than just run around aimlessly