I'm very glad the world is not filled by Nomes, Brads, peters etc.
It makes daily life bearable for most.
Will Ronnie be booed?
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It makes daily life bearable for most.
Stupidest thing I've ever read. I hope you're just using that to back up your current argument rather than actually believing it.
There would still be a club - maybe one languishing in the lower leagues...but there would still be a club.
Attitude to the fans, get it?How is it nail on the head when you have no fecking idea what his attitude is??
Not sure if you read the interview with Evra in the Guardian - he rates Ronaldo as one of his closest friends at United.
But I guess he fails to spot Ronaldo's attitude...
Their loyalty was not betrayed - their desperate clinging emotions maybe.
In fairness having attended games with two off that list, I'd happily have a stadium full of them, at least then we may get a few decent songs going...
No all he needed to do was state his intentions at the start of the summer.
We thought he had done this with the 'I stay' in Moscow, but no we had a roller coaster of a ride over the summer, where nobody new where he was going to be playing come august.
You can gauge his attitude by the way he acts on the pitch, which we have 5 years experience of now. To be fair I'm glad he is keeping low profile, maybe he realises the error of his ways, or maybe he's biding his time till the summer. I would be well pissed off if he was walking around with that cocky arrogant smug look on his face he had last season.How is it nail on the head when you have no fecking idea what his attitude is??
Not sure if you read the interview with Evra in the Guardian - he rates Ronaldo as one of his closest friends at United.
But I guess he fails to spot Ronaldo's attitude...
The match day attendance in Italian league has been falling for the last 15 years, yet the revenues of the top clubs grow. The English league has more money and has been more popular over the last few years because its been marketed better and the fact that the best foreign talent like Ronaldo, Fabregas, Torres are now playing for English clubs.
50% of the fans are unlikely to feck off overnight. Even if there is a gradual decline in match going attendance, clubs will continue to grow.
Actually no - the club in terms of its structure and teams reflecting the fans and its culture are the life and soul of the club.How would the club exist without the fans?
How would the club buy these great players without the fans?
The fans are the lifeblood and the soul of the club, but that is the thing you don't understand, to you it's just a day out at the theatre
The fans are a much smaller part in creating that culture than you would like to imagine.
They do not play no part - but they play a much smaller part than you want to believe. Fans are essentially followers - others start the trends they follow. Having followed those trends for a bit (together with the rest of the club) it establishes a 'history'.
Thinking of fans as really important is just a form of self-delusion.
If a club had no fans there would be no club. It's not rocket science.
I know that, it was said in a hypothetical situation.
Read the whole argument, if you can be assed, but its hardly worth it.
I think it runs deeper than that. Where I sit there is definately an anti-ronaldo vibe. The people round me were reluctant to join in.
It was certainly no where near the volume of the rooney song.
And it's that attitude that will be the eventual demise of football as we know it and into the souless charade that you seem to want it to become.
That's because I don't think like a 'normal' fan - facts and sensible motivation are more important to me than over-emotional one-eyed judgement.
Doesn't stop me from being passionate at the game though. (Have to say I used the word c*nt for the first time in many moons over the disallowed Rooney goal - at the ref obviously!)
And you are still yet to reply to Peters post.
Why are you dodging it Feeding?
Why are you dodging it Feeding?
Except it would be perfectly possible for a club to have different sorts of fans - maybe even a theatre crowd that you would hate - they wouldn't make the demands you do on the club so wouldn't be 'fans' in your sense - but they'd contribute to the coffers.But then the club would have fans
What if no one went to watch?
What would the club be then?
A sausage fest I would imagine
Somewhere between these extremes exist many possibilities with people you may not classify as 'fans'.
If we were lower league then a wealthy benefactor could obviate (look it up) the need for any such fans as you would recognise.
Fantastic post...well done.
I did not propose that there would be no players - my use of the word "club" would seem to suggest that players would be in presence.
I just really wanted to counter some of the grandiose statements made by some people who feel that they are the real lifeblood of the team.
To me, the players are the lifeblood.
What attracted me to Manchester United was not the the thousands of fans who sung their lungs out every game they saw, it was the players. My favorite player when I was younger was Bryan Robson - to me he was United.
The reason I have got myself involved in this debate regarding Ronaldo is that he is a player who gets me on the edge of my seat every time he gets the ball.
As mentioned in a previous post - I watch every United game on TV now that I live abroad. Even from across the channel, you can still hear the whole of OT take a breath when the ball gets passed to him.
As it should be.
As it was with Giggs.
As it was with Best (from what I've heard - unfortunately never saw him in person).
One of my favourite quotes from George Best is when he said that over the years there are many players that have been compared to him... but with Ronaldo it is the first time he's taken that as a compliment.
That's why Ronaldo has my support.
I couldn't see what was wrong with the goal and now I've watched the MOTD highlights I'm still non-the wiser.
I think it's evident you don't think like the average football fan, each to their own and all that. The fact is thousands of united fans like me, brad, manx, etc, are not as forensic as you when looking at the situation and Ronaldo would be extremely naive to think he could run around OT this season smelling of roses after his summer shenanigans.
That assumes, erroneously, that Ronaldo had definitely decided at some early point rather than making probable decisions which depended on the actions of others ('not up to him' remember).
Given that there were a number of unknowns, was there anything he could say that was more accurate than what he did?
I suggest not!
Your desire for more definite information would have required a lie or a guess - and then you'd have howled like a demented hound if events turned out otherwise.
A club is not formed to attract fans...it is about combining like-minded individuals.
The fans come later...if at all.
It may not be rocket science, but the concept seems to have launched over your head.
I agree with this, and most of what else you say here to be fair.
But if we had a serious reduction in fans, we'd loose everything we know at our club now.
I can understand why people do support Ronaldo, and don't get me wrong I love watching him with the ball, theres no one better, and I wish he'd of taken a leaf out of Wayne's book and just got on with the football, and not worry about this 'dream move' and go on about it all summer. It will happen we've known that for a few years, however, he should of respected he has a contract and this was not up for negotiation over the past summer.
If he said I stay then, why did he change this response so many times over the summer?
Do you really think united would attact 75,000 from the theatre set?
Does your average theatre-goer like football?
I think they would be more inclined to go to a rugby, horse polo, cricket, etc.
Hmmmmm the theatre of dreams. I'm getting worried now.
Looking back I could have worded my post a bit better.
How about:
If our club had no fans then it would cease to exist as we know it.
Fair dues and nice post.
I love my job...and could not be enticed to make an equivalent switch for life nor money.
However, I do not and cannot hold everyone I work with to the same standard (how can I pretend to accurately know exactly what motivates them?).
So in my eyes, while my loyalty may be G Neville-like, I do not hold everyone else to the same standard. However, I would expect that they give their all while in their current position.
As long as Ronaldo does this then I will continue to support him and look forward to his creativity on the pitch.
I replied to the substantive point not the personal accusation.
The latter was:
Which is, as usual, wrong.ps said:
The point, as regards the functioning of the club, is that it can function exactly like that as regards a large proportion of the crowd (possibly all of them).
That doesn't mean that I see my own relationship with the club in this way - I don't just buy entertainment (speaking solely for myself here).
I see myself as far more involved in events than at the theatre for example - in the trivial case the latter usually follows a script and what matters is how the events are portrayed rather than the result. (Interesting possible parallel to Corinthian attitudes of what counts in sport is 'how you play the game' though - possibly too pure for fans like us.)
In sport, as most people view it, the result matters - for a fan that result (and performance perhaps) needs to be in a certain side's favour. Fans join in with the experience - egging their team on - and we all like to think we make a difference by being there. We hate it when the arbitrator (ref) makes wrong or 50/50 calls against 'us'. We love it when we win.
None of this requires me to think of myself as more important to the overall structure of the club than I in fact am. That, I think, is my essential difference to some other posters.
Thats fair enough, this is why I love football, so much to debate, and so many different opinions.
Fair enough - can't argue with your revised statement!
Where have I said I want it to be soul-less? I just want people not to turn off their rationality circuits when it comes to this subject.
Doesn't stop anyone screaming and shouting to know that they really aren't as important to SAF's and the Glazer's decision making as they'd like.
It's refreshing to be able to have a rationale debate about these matters too - even at this time on a Sunday!
I'm not comfortable with comparing a footballers employment with that of an average joe working monday-friday 9 till 5.
I'm not to sure about that...
https://www.redcafe.net/f32/glazer-watching-united-bit-dangerous-221520/
But this is entirely down to your inability to examine the facts as facts as opposed to undiagnosed stimuli to your emotions.
I'd like to sum up my feelings with a song:
He plays on the wing
But mostly up front
feck off Ronaldo
You Portugese cnut
He plays on the wing
But mostly up front
feck off Ronaldo
You Portugese cnut
See earlier posts tbh - all responses were entirely consistent with different expectations at diffferent times that rely on decisions by others.
Ultimately it would have depended on what Utd might have said to a mega-bid if it arrived. It later became obvious that Real wanted CR to make a fuss to get us to potentially accept a lower figure and he refused to do so. Real couldn't comne up with abid that was tempting in those circumstances - he chatted to SAF - he stayed.
Did nothing wrong - didnt force the issue - stayed - I have only minor problems with his actions (I'd have preferred him to desperately want to stay.)