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Anderson - is he the 'real deal'? | Retires age 31
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
The first thing's a fairly stupid thing to say.
The second one's unreal. Just because he gets plenty of assists means he has 'it'?
Yeah i just find it difficult to compare Fabregas with Iniesta as they are quite different.
Iniesta is more comparable to Hleb, with his dribbling abilities and link up play although Iniesta has been really good before his recent injury. It's basically how decisive Barca have been in the final 3rd that has stood out this season. Iniesta and Xavi have been opening defenses with such ease it's been a joy to watch.
I would honestly put Iniesta is a top 3 world dribblers at the moment. He's about as close to Messi as you can get in terms of glue feet. I really like Iniesta, the pale faced assassin he is.
If you can't quite wrap your head around the bolded, it's no wonder you're confused.The first thing's a fairly stupid thing to say.
The second one's unreal. Just because he gets plenty of assists means he has 'it'?
Yeah I know what you mean, and agree on all accounts there.
I've never actually thought about it, but Barca have (arguably) the three best dribblers in the world ATM in Messi, Hleb and Iniesta. Defenders clearly have to be on top of their game against their lot.
This is becoming silly now.
Sarcasm?
No. But now I'm confused.
Point was if you don't see how Fabregas having 'it' is reflected by the numerous assists he provides then it's no wonder you're confused - that being thick.
I could elaborate and write up an essay for you on the intricacies of this point, but my two posts pretty much sum it up.
Point was if you don't see how Fabregas having 'it' is reflected by the numerous assists he provides then it's no wonder you're confused - that being thick.
I could elaborate and write up an essay for you on the intricacies of this point, but my two posts pretty much sum it up.
What he's basically said is 'Fabregas has 'it' because he gets plenty of assists but Anderson doesn't because he gets far less assists'.
Getting plenty of assists isn't a good way to back up having 'it'. Plenty of young players get assists, it doesn't mean they have 'it'.
I'm not sure why he made the point in the first place seeing as everyone knows how good Fabregas is.
Fabregas is mentioned almost as much as Anderson in this thread.
I've made no secret in the past of how much I admire him as a player, however it needs to be noted that, apart from a spell at the start of last season when he was consistently superb, Fabregas is still a very hit-and-miss player as well. On his day he is great, but regularly goes missing in games.
This is obviously expected given his age, but the same rule should apply to Anderson.
Statements like Storeys 'Anderson will never be as good as Fabregas' are stupid predictions to make. Fabregas is largely a powderpuff attacking midfielder. Equally as responsible for Arsenal's lack of fight as any other Arsenal player. He'll probably never have the natural fighting instinct that Anderson has, and that is why Anderson has the potential to become a more rounded central midfielder than Fabregas IMO.
I've made no secret in the past of how much I admire him as a player, however it needs to be noted that, apart from a spell at the start of last season when he was consistently superb, Fabregas is still a very hit-and-miss player as well. On his day he is great, but regularly goes missing in games.
This is obviously expected given his age, but the same rule should apply to Anderson.
Statements like Storeys 'Anderson will never be as good as Fabregas' are stupid predictions to make. Fabregas is largely a powderpuff attacking midfielder. Equally as responsible for Arsenal's lack of fight as any other Arsenal player. He'll probably never have the natural fighting instinct that Anderson has, and that is why Anderson has the potential to become a more rounded central midfielder than Fabregas IMO.
I don't think Barca needs to buy Fabregas to replace Xavi at some point, there are a lot of great up and and coming youngsters in midfield, they could find another geme.
Fabregas never goes missing, he has better or worse games but even at his 'worst' he's never less than mediocre. Since he's one of the best CMs in the world it's hardly a stupid prediction to say that he'll continue to be better than a player who up to now has shown a few flashes of form, isn't a natural CM and is only 11 months younger.
And here I thought you knew better. Every player goes missing regardless of how extremely good that are. He went missing on Saturday for large periods. Didn't he also play in that FA Cup defeat at Old Trafford last season?
Fabregas was in pretty much everything for us, yes, he fluffed a lot of his passes. But that was of his own velition.
The fact remains he got far too much of the ball for United to be comfortable. If he didn't have an off day passing wise, and if we'd had a proper front two pairing, we'd have put away a loverly score.
All this aside he still provided the crucial assist too.
Great CMs don't 'go missing' even if they have bad games from time to time - see Keane.R or Vieira.P.
Ah, I didn't think there was any connection to Anderson in his point there. But I now see where you've come from.
I thought Fabregas was off in his passing on the weekend, but he was clearly in everything.
Which to me, like you've said, is not 'going missing.'
I do hope you're not comparing him to Keane or Vieira Pete? Two men and a boy.
Fabregas isn't yet 'great' on a consistent basis. No point arguing otherwise.
Going missing relates to not having the stomach for it, which Fabregas is clearly guilty of from time to time. Which is why the Keane and Vieira comparisons are ridiculous. It would be nigh on impossible for a central midfielder not to be involved in a game even if they are playing poorly.
Perhaps we will just have to agree to disagree here. Personally I saw it the other way round. Having an assist or scoring without really been heavily involved in the game may be a telling contribution BUT one that doesn't mask the fact that you were not heavily involved a.k.a "missing"
The difference being ofcourse those two could go missing for a few minutes and then clatter into someone to get everyone else going. Fabregas doesn't do any of that and hence when he goes missing he stays there for a good deal. Did he or did he not play at Old Trafford in the FA Cup last season?
Youth football counts for something as well, if I remember correctly he played off the striker as a youngster for Gremio as well, certainly in a more offensive role than he fulfills now at United.
He played 6 games for Gremio.
Don't they have U18 teams or something, like I mentioned? I know he barely played for them as a senior but as a youngster he must have played some games, otherwise he wouldn't have been selected in Brazil's U17 and U20 teams, he didn't just appear out of the streets.
Probably best not to read too much into the positions that footballers play in youth teams. It's the games they play at a senior level which shape them as footballers.
When they're playing at a youth level, they're usually so much better than everyone around them they can play well in pretty much every position on the pitch. Scholes was a striker for our reserves.
Actually started out as a fullback in our youth teams....
And Evra started his professional career as a striker in Italy.
Really? I thought he couldn't run for more than 12 minutes due to breathing problems.
And then he pops up with a match winning pass - which tends to get everyone going funnily enough.
Like my ball-bag, you virus-breeding Arsenal cnut.
Hi Wes, I like football, do you?
If you do I suggest you watch some games sometimes.
Fabregas has a penchant for crying on the pitch. Anderson has a penchant for making wanna-be tough men like Gerrard look silly.
We were so poor that even the lone goal could have won you the game.
I don't remember that. Are you sure? You're not getting him confused with Steven Riley, who used to play left-back and was also small and ginger (but a bit shit)?
Gooners are funny fcukers... having a pop at us about overrating our players while at the same time overating theirs. Fabregas is more effective than Anderson right now and so he should be with the amount of playing time he has had under Wenger, in fact the comparison shows how good a player Anderson actually is.
People making statements like 'Fabregas will always be greater than Anderson', 'Anderson won't make it' are showing themselves to be pretty narrow-minded, ignorant and... retarded? No surprise peterstorey is among them.
We clearly have two of the worlds few really great young talents here in the premiership so just enjoy it and stop being little girls about it...
People making statements like 'Fabregas will always be greater than Anderson', 'Anderson won't make it' are showing themselves to be pretty narrow-minded, ignorant and... retarded? No surprise peterstorey is among them.
We clearly have two of the worlds few really great young talents here in the premiership so just enjoy it and stop being little girls about it...
Classic post there pete...
Meanwhile Anderson has a Champions League and Premiership medal from his first season... he actually contributed to us winning them too, who would have thought.
Saying Fabregas will always be greater than Anderson is a bit silly, I agree.
But it's fair to say that he's miles ahead of him right now. And isn't he actually younger than Anderson?
EDIT. Anderson is 11 months younger. My bad.
But it's fair to say that he's miles ahead of him right now. And isn't he actually younger than Anderson?
EDIT. Anderson is 11 months younger. My bad.
Well I was going to say something about one playing like Flamini but scoring a lot less, but I don't think I will now.
(super massive lol wum jest)
(super massive lol wum jest)
Wow!
Anderson will definitely make it. He's got most of the instinctive natural attributes that aren't really learnt, like his use of his body in tackles/general. He's very good at that.
Though it's hard to determine where exactly he'll end up playing position/role wise. A surging midfielder might be his niche'.
Though it's hard to determine where exactly he'll end up playing position/role wise. A surging midfielder might be his niche'.