I have no problem with the Poll to be fair.
I was seething (still am) last night. I had a good few toys firmly out of pram moments.
Should Rooney retire from England?
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I was seething (still am) last night. I had a good few toys firmly out of pram moments.
Of course you care, you're only short of a cape.
edit - that may not have been an original thought with hindsight
Discuss what with me?
Would you like me to go into all the things I think the FA does completely wrong, and all the examples of them being stupid/inconsistent/unfair/borderline corrupt?
It'd probably take me several years to type it all out, even if I just started with the last five years.
There's actually staggeringly little that the FA don't either get completely wrong, or have their heads in the cloud about. The silly agenda pandering disciplinary system is just the insignificant tip of the iceberg.
And who does anyway?
Which is the wider and more depressing point. The England experience seems a lot more complicated than supporting most national teams.
Well I'm pretty sure it was in a thread that's main topic was (or had become) about modding and the behaviour of some mods dissing a poster and we'd been having this banter throughout it...so it wasn't exactly a thread on Rooney's International future that had suddenly become a playground hair pulling contest.
But I could be wrong. I've never claimed I couldn't be, or never have been, you seem to be foisting that trait on me, whilst also calling me self righteous and over argumentative whilst spitting feathers like a gluttonous fox.
Well not really...You brought up my supposed personality defects first.
And in fact I haven't responded in kind throughout this entire thread to my knowledge. But hey, I'm sure your consistent and relatively unprovoked abuse will merit an infract.....oh.
...So a) maybe you should take your own advice, and b) you started it.
So what? You either think it's ok to insult someone or don't.
Boring now, counteracting your inaccuracies ... this post was made before I said owt and before anyone had mentioned a meltdown
And in fact I haven't responded in kind throughout this entire thread to my knowledge. But hey, I'm sure your consistent and relatively unprovoked abuse will merit an infract.....oh.
...So a) maybe you should take your own advice, and b) you started it.
Like the way you were infract ... oh wait ... you see Mockney, the consistency you crave, you've got it.
In context. You seem to think it's ok.
Well a) Dwayne had clearly insinuated it, and implied he knew this would goad me when he made it..and b) It wasn't anything to do with you...As with virtually every other post in this thread, you've decided to attack me for a post not attacking you, and then claimed I am the argumentative irrational conspirator who gets needlessly ire'd by everything. Well done.
I was infracted.....oh
And a 5 point one as well, for the very post you quoted, displaying none of the bizarre personal attacks you've carried on with throughout this thread.
So...Consistency?
Should I infract the Doctor for starting a retarded thread? Oh wait, where will this end.
Moses in my office now!
I'm dipping into my popcorn.
Moses in my office now!
I'm dipping into my popcorn.
Personally I think an insult is a good way to show someone you dislike them or what they post, but I don't expect it not to effect how they then talk to me.
And you weren't infracted for insulting me personally in a thread about how poor the modding was, so we're quits. Equality, like you always dreamed of.
And I was just answering Smashed in this thread, you quoted me and proceeded to start your lecture on how poor the modding is after being infracted by another mod for constantly banging on about how poor the modding is. So it's just a bit tedious is all.
edit - Sorry Sultan, I'm on my way.
Can I suggest everyone has a cold shower.
I suggested similar a while ago.
I usually enjoy e-skirmishes like these, but when they're between two people who I normally quite like, it's just silly.
Escalation. Etc.
On the contrary, it just shows how inconsistent the modding is on this forum is. Considering you haven't been infracted at all, despite claiming you think insulting people is a good way of showing your dislike for posters, and pretty much most if not all of what I see of you on these forums anyway (which I think counts as my first actual insult to you in this whole thread) and I've received about 10 points for my rather tame insults of people (and for sending Geebs a picture of an egg) I'm not sure how that levels out at equality. But whatever floats your boat.
Which was in reference to me
In a calm and insultless post...which then elicited your damning indictment of my ability to remain calm and insultless.
Equality?
It is.
I expect nothing more than a right old laugh about it in the mod forum. Liberty, Equality, Fraternity!!...erang.
I'm same. Both Mockney and Moses are amongst my favourite posters.
However, this is box office stuff.
I don't even think they're ABU. I just think they're about as fit for purpose as if they were run by a bunch of bickering school children, and they're certainly not fair (largely as a result of this)
The main thing I don't understand is how the media end up getting blamed or used as a shield for the FA's actions. Is it common knowledge to everyone except me that Murdoch runs the FA from his secret war bunker or something?
noodle-RAWK
"Mr Cameron, how come you've sent seven hundred primary school children directly into front line combat in Iraq?"
"Some of the media told me to do it"
"Oh ok, well I guess it's their fault then...stupid ABU tabloids influencing our government"
"Some of the media told me to do it"
"Oh ok, well I guess it's their fault then...stupid ABU tabloids influencing our government"
noodle-RAWK
And yet when you ask your typical ABE why they hate England and want the Rooneys of this world to retire from International football, they'll often come up with "The media and all the hype around them" as a prime examle.
stupid tabloids influencing our football.
As a United fan, I am absolutely pissed off by the recent incident. But if you are player who loves playing for your country, you wouldn't just retire for a single incident. However, if there is precedence then I wouldn't be surprised if a player shows his back to country commitments. I'm sure there is no shortage of examples.
Eboue.
Eboue.
I picked eboue as it best summed the thoughts rolling through my head.
I don't think there's any doubt the agenda of the FA is shaped by the media. They're a political animal after all and the popular press has had politicians by the short and curlies for years.
Obviously, this shouldn't be the case but it definitely is.
Well to be fair, I find it hard to support England partly because of the media, among a number of other things, which we've already been over. It's not really the same issue as wanting the FA to do their job to some kind of competent or at least healthy standard.
If I supported England as much as I did United, I'd be even more anti FA, because they do an incomprehensively piss poor job with the England team.
FANA.
This isn't the first time though - Rooney getting suspended for a red card during a pre-season friendly? You think if Rooney got a red during an Intl friendly that the FA would have suspended him for a qualifier? My guy tells me no they wouldn't
I wouldn't look at it turning back on your country but, the FA as an organization if he did choose to retire (which I don't think he would anyway) then it would be to say I am doing this because I don't believe the organization that is supposed to be looking out for football in our country are doing it in a selfish manner and apply the rules of football when it suits them or when the media tells them they should.
He could though hurt the FA by at the very least pull his image/media rights.
I wouldn't look at it turning back on your country but, the FA as an organization if he did choose to retire (which I don't think he would anyway) then it would be to say I am doing this because I don't believe the organization that is supposed to be looking out for football in our country are doing it in a selfish manner and apply the rules of football when it suits them or when the media tells them they should.
He could though hurt the FA by at the very least pull his image/media rights.
Why did I always think the FA and England had a connection.
Yet my understanding from this thread is they're both different entities. Unless of course I misunderstood the misunderstood.
Yet my understanding from this thread is they're both different entities. Unless of course I misunderstood the misunderstood.
Time for lunch.
Think I'll have a RAWK-noodle.
Think I'll have a RAWK-noodle.
The media has politicians by the balls because Politicians are so heavily reliant on voters, who are heavily influenced by the media. There's a clear path of action and reaction there.
The FA are a governing body of a major national sport who exist simply to oversee it's wellbeing and govern it in a fair and unbiased manner. They have no need or excuse to worry about what the media thinks...especially since the media almost never manages to agree with itself on anything football related anyway.
Not only that but the FA's neanderthal level of stupidity extends to levels and areas which are completely untouched by the media. For example, did the media tell the FA to deliberately set up the youth coaching system so it's literally impossible for the best young English players to receive the best coaching available to them?
Well that's just skewing your opinions slightly to justify your positon no? If you supported England you'd be even more angry at the FA, yes, but would that make you support England less? No. It's a non-sequitur...Just as with the media. The media just do their general media thing, and they do it for everything. Even United they build up and knock down but obviously being the National team they do it to a grandiose level. Almost every countries media does this too. You've just called it silly for anyone to blame the media for anything they pressure the government into doing, but then claimed you hold the England team partly responsible (or it diminishes their credibility or whatever) whenever they do something England related that irks you.
I simply can't understand that. But hey, yes, we've been over this.
Of course they have a connection, but one is most distinctly a separate entity from the other. You don't hold your grudges on the United team for the failings of the members at board level do you? It's not David Gill you support is it? What impact do his decisions have on your view of United?
Again, they have as much influence on the FA Cup, but no one seems to hold us responsible whenever we win it for pandering to their incompetence.
I don't hold the England team responsible for the media's actions, or vice versa. I'm simply not a patriot so it all tends to get a bit much. Yes they build up and knock down everyone, but with United for example, there'll at least be a degree of sense and objectivity. When it comes to England all bets are off. It becomes utterly ridiculous and often somewhat distasteful...and I don't really like the idea idea of the people responsible gaining the satisfaction of their team being succesful. It's not a reason in itself for me not supporting England...it's one of a number of contributing factors to me usually not supporting them very much (or often not at all).
Other reasons include being forced to cheer for John Terry, being left repeatedly annoyed by the conduct and reward of managers such as Capello and Sven, the ridiculous blaming and hounding of identified scapegoats when England are outplayed and beaten by someone better than them, and of course the non patriot thing. I often end up feeling sorry for most of the actual team.
If I was a diehard England fan though, I WOULD hold the FA partly responsible for the England team's actions, and lack of relative success, because part of the FA's job is to manage and look after the England team, and they do an absolutely pathetic job of it.
I like Mockney quite a lot, pot noodles notwithstanding.
Can't we all just love each other?
Can't we all just love each other?
I can agree with holding the FA resposible, but not the other way round. Again, the Glazers get stick for what they're possibly doing to United, but United don't get the stick..
Also, I'm not a patriot by a long shot. I hate our national anthem, our colonial history, the war we're currently in, our Prime Minister and both Ant and Dec (though mainly Ant)...But the football team is a football team. I've always supported them in a completely paralel way to being patriotic. I guess that's largely because I always have, and my dad used to take me to Wembley as a kid so it's always been a huge part of my footballing life, and though I can see why people who haven't had that and aren't pro-their country might not feel any bond to them, I see it mainly in an separate way. Much like how I'd see supporting United and being proudly Mancunian to be two distinctly separate things. Which is good, as I'd be fecked otherwise.
It's pretty annoying to be always called a patriot or a nationalist whenever I stick up for England. No one calls the Irish on here, or anyone else who also supports their national team that (apart from vuc..who clearly is), but then they don't have to keep defending the shitness of their team and it's obvious relation/culpability for the media, the fans, the booing, John Terry, the FA, Richard Keys or the piss poor standards of Saturday evening family entertainment in every thread on the subject from people champing at the bit to say "United>Ireland/USA/Denmark/India/Mooseland etc."
It isn't all or nothing...You don't have to hate or like every facet of your nationality in order to be on either side of the fence. I hate the tabloids and people in green horsey gillets who over pronounce the H at the beginning of words but I think it's kind of cool Shakesepeare and Paul Scholes were born within the same borders as me.
Who has forced noodle to cheer for John Terry?
Wayne Bridge.
How on earth are the FA going to cope if the English press and media-stirred public starts on them for failing to punish Rooney with a 2 match ban.
They'll go to pieces because they won't have a clue how to justify their decision. You need balls and a smidgen of common sense to deal with pressure and the FA haven't got either.
Let's not forget that they are also in the middle of a parlimentary review to see if they are fit for purpose.
That last point is part of what makes what they are doing so utterly absurd.
Ant and Dec
I know.Great thread. I voted no, but only because there wasn't a 'hell no' option.
Why on earth would Rooney want to quite playing for England? Despite the fact that the pressure put on the team is immense, I genuinely believe that we have a squad of players hugely proud to be representing the country. Why else would they do it?
Haven't posted much lately, but on the Ferguson and Rooney incidents I simply don't get the outrage.
On Ferguson, he plainly implied that Atkinson was not being 'fair', the one word you never, ever use when describing a referee. As illustrated by how quickly he attempted to retract it. Deserved a ban, and knew he would get one. He went too far.
Rooney - well, god knows I love him but he's a fecking idiot sometimes. Deserved to be punished and, while the 2 match ban is probably excessive, neither he nor Ferguson would have been in any trouble at all if they hadn't done something stupid in the first place.
Fact is, those two incidents have made what should be a stroll to the league title unnecessarily difficult for ourselves.
Why on earth would Rooney want to quite playing for England? Despite the fact that the pressure put on the team is immense, I genuinely believe that we have a squad of players hugely proud to be representing the country. Why else would they do it?
Haven't posted much lately, but on the Ferguson and Rooney incidents I simply don't get the outrage.
On Ferguson, he plainly implied that Atkinson was not being 'fair', the one word you never, ever use when describing a referee. As illustrated by how quickly he attempted to retract it. Deserved a ban, and knew he would get one. He went too far.
Rooney - well, god knows I love him but he's a fecking idiot sometimes. Deserved to be punished and, while the 2 match ban is probably excessive, neither he nor Ferguson would have been in any trouble at all if they hadn't done something stupid in the first place.
Fact is, those two incidents have made what should be a stroll to the league title unnecessarily difficult for ourselves.
Take it you've never thrown out a "feck" or variation of it in the wrong setting, in the heat of the moment Bilbo? I know plenty have and immediately say, oops sorry.
He realized he made a mistake, owned up to it but, the media storm mandated the FA act. Previously the FA panel person said if all SAF said was sorry, the punishment won't have been as harsh but, in this case they've completely over looked the apology.
Same with SAF - he realized he made a mistake in the word he used and immediately retracted it but, was again right in the heat of the moment.
If Rooney/SAF feel United are being targeted and treated more harshly than others for the same types of transgressions, then off course they should do something to stand up for themselves. At least SAF did it with the media blackout. If Rooney suspension doesn't get reduced - then he should do something to say - hey, I won't be your whipping boy, use someone else as your poster boy.
He realized he made a mistake, owned up to it but, the media storm mandated the FA act. Previously the FA panel person said if all SAF said was sorry, the punishment won't have been as harsh but, in this case they've completely over looked the apology.
Same with SAF - he realized he made a mistake in the word he used and immediately retracted it but, was again right in the heat of the moment.
If Rooney/SAF feel United are being targeted and treated more harshly than others for the same types of transgressions, then off course they should do something to stand up for themselves. At least SAF did it with the media blackout. If Rooney suspension doesn't get reduced - then he should do something to say - hey, I won't be your whipping boy, use someone else as your poster boy.