Should Rooney retire from England?

Should Rooney retire from international football?


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moses

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No, just I'd assume/prefer if you had some standards. Surely the people whose job it is to assess what is of a good enough quality for the site, delete threads and promote/ban posters, should be able to tell the difference between a retarded nonsense poll and actual worthwhile football stuff.

Anyone who knows anything about how football in this country operates would know this has 0.00000000001% of having any influence on Rooney's desire to play international football, or have any sway on his opinion on the England team, and is thus, a worthless topic and would probably have been deleted or not given poll status had a mod not made it.

The fact the boy has a tattoo of the St George's cross with the words English and Proud underneath, means it's all together more likely he'll give up playing for United before he does for England. But hey, cool poll dude.

The fact I've also been infracted for this, is, just :lol:

So grand, why get your knickers in a twist, is really nothing below your ire? A walk to the shops must like some Donal McIntyre exposé for you. Lot's of shit goes on here that lots of people disagree with, just cop on and learn to disagree.

I think your infraction may have been as a result of your tedious anti mod bollockology. Most things have a tipping point.

Seriously if the caf and those who moderate it are so far below the standards you require why don't you just find a corner of the nbet where you can be happy?

Bottom line is mods are just posters, same as, your take on their role is absurd, like the way you asserted I changed when I became a mod, that you used to like me - I'm a feckin newbie scout ffs. The reality is that I changed to you when I was made a mod. And that is quite pathetic.

Grow up.
 

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Do you actually read the site?

I'm one of about 4 people on here who's never said a bad word against Rooney throughout the last year and have argued that case vociferously across several threads, most recently with Hectic.

It's amazing I know, but somehow I can support Rooney, still think he was in the wrong in this incident, think he should accept his punishment, and not retire from international football. Yeah, far out, I know.
Well, no, I just wade into threads and start posting retarded shit wherever I feel like it.

All I'm saying is reading that it sounds like you have something against him. To me, that much speculation makes it seem like you are not giving him a fair shake.
 

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So grand, why get your knickers in a twist, is really nothing below your ire? A walk to the shops must like some Donal McIntyre exposé for you. Lot's of shit goes on here that lots of people disagree with, just cop on and learn to disagree.

I think your infraction may have been as a result of your tedious anti mod bollockology. Most things have a tipping point.

Seriously if the caf and those who moderate it are so far below the standards you require why don't you just find a corner of the nbet where you can be happy?

Bottom line is mods are just posters, same as, your take on their role is absurd, like the way you asserted I changed when I became a mod, that you used to like me - I'm a feckin newbie scout ffs. The reality is that I changed to you when I was made a mod. And that is quite pathetic.

Grow up.
Moses, I have one question.....


What the feck is a nbet?
 

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No because I'm English and we need all the good players we can get but also because when United club season is off I want to enjoy watching all the United players, foreign or English, some football is better than no football. I mean its a shame how the likes of Giggs were never at a Euro or WC so why wouldn't you want to see Rooney play in them.

Can't see why Rooney would want to miss out on big tournaments and caps and watch it on TV whilst other players in the league go, either. Again, you look at Giggs or some of the Irish, Welsh or Scottish players and deep down they know its either going to be very tough to qualify or near impossible and still they want to play for their country so there's no way you quit England with a very good chance of qualifying.
 

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So grand, why get your knickers in a twist, is really nothing below your ire? A walk to the shops must like some Donal McIntyre exposé for you. Lot's of shit goes on here that lots of people disagree with, just cop on and learn to disagree.
uh huh...I have just walked to the shops actually. I fed some ducklings and patted some orphan children on the head whilst whistling the theme from A Sound of Music if you must know...I get far less irksome than many on this site, but it's nice convenient trope to trot out whenever there's an International related thread because it can nicely ignore all the points I'm making. Anyone who's actually met me (which is loads on this site) can tell you how completely unlike your assumptions of me I am. As I'm sure you are...But then I don't have to power to ban or infract people for arguing with me...Which I wouldn't do anyway.

I think your infraction may have been as a result of your tedious anti mod bollockology. Most things have a tipping point.
Possibly. But then someone has to bring balance to the force.

Seriously if the caf and those who moderate it are so far below the standards you require why don't you just find a corner of the nbet where you can be happy?
See paragraph one.

Bottom line is mods are just posters
Yet ones who are exempt from the same standards as the rest of the Caf. Hence why I bring it up when I think it's pertinent.

Honestly, If I started a thread right now saying "Should Rooney pull out fo the FA Cup?"...Which is just as legitimate as this one, are you telling me it wouldn't be closed for being retarded?
 

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uh huh...I have just walked to the shops actually. I fed some ducklings and patted some orphan children on the head whilst whistling the theme from A Sound of Music if you must know...I get far less irksome than many on this site, but it's nice convenient trope to trot out whenever there's an International related thread because it can nicely ignore all the points I'm making. Anyone who's actually met me (which is loads on this site) can tell you how completely unlike your assumptions of me I am. As I'm sure you are...But then I don't have to power to ban or infract people for arguing with me...Which I wouldn't do anyway.



Possibly. But then someone has to bring balance to the force.



See paragraph one.



Yet ones who are exempt from the same standards as the rest of the Caf. Hence why I bring it up when I think it's pertinent.

Honestly, If I started a thread right now saying "Should Rooney pull out fo the FA Cup?"...Which is just as legitimate as this one, are you telling me it wouldn't be closed for being retarded?
Well his FA ban will do that for him. :lol::lol:
 

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the fact that Rooney is a proud Englishman is a very relevant point

however, does there reach a point where he gets fecked off with it?

In relation to the FA, off course they dont pick the team as such but they would be bloody embarrased if Rooney was to retire over this
Quite.
 

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And the Glazers would be bloody embarrased if he decided to leave United because of their ownership.....Perhaps he should? lets make a poll.
I believe he raised concerns about that at one stage...but just got lambasted for being a money grabbing cnut. ;)
 

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Well, no, I just wade into threads and start posting retarded shit wherever I feel like it.

All I'm saying is reading that it sounds like you have something against him. To me, that much speculation makes it seem like you are not giving him a fair shake.
I've nothing against him whatsoever. I just don't like this incident being used to fuel up the ridiculous and beyond boring United > England debate.

Just so you know, Mockney. If the admins don't like anything that I'm doing, they can sanction me.
Why not point out to them that as you've admitted you knew it'd wind him up when you posted the poll, getting infracted for then getting wound up seems a tad unfair?
 

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No, for his account, he nearly did.

And we all know what everyone thought of him for that.
Most folk who give a hoot about England will want him to carry on. Yourself, Brad and the likes.

Others who don't would happily see him retire...over principle...or anything else really.

Meh..is what it is.
 

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I've nothing against him whatsoever. I just don't like this incident being used to fuel up the ridiculous and beyond boring United > England debate.
Fair enough. I see you voted no.



Why not point out to them that as you've admitted you knew it'd wind him up when you posted the poll, getting infracted for then getting wound up seems a tad unfair?
Honestly it wasn't my intention to wind Mockney up with this poll. He wasn't even posting yesterday when I decided it would be a good topic as a lot of posters were mentioning it.
 

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Most folk who give a hoot about England will want him to carry on. Yourself, Brad and the likes.

Others who don't would happily see him retire...over principle...or anything else really.

Meh..is what it is.
Yet there's no legitimate reason to think a) he will even consider it or b) it's in anyway a sequitur, which it isn't. As pointed out, why not retire from playing in the FA Cup? Meaning this is basically just a thread saying "Who likes England? yes, no eboue"....Which is really a rather irksome and tiresome thread to have in the United forum, but if it were called that, would at least be accurate rather than fatuous.
 

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uh huh...I have just walked to the shops actually. I fed some ducklings and patted some orphan children on the head whilst whistling the theme from A Sound of Music if you must know...I get far less irksome than many on this site, but it's nice convenient trope to trot out whenever there's an International related thread because it can nicely ignore all the points I'm making. Anyone who's actually met me (which is loads on this site) can tell you how completely unlike your assumptions of me I am. As I'm sure you are...But then I don't have to power to ban or infract people for arguing with me...Which I wouldn't do anyway.


Possibly. But then someone has to bring balance to the force.


See paragraph one.


Yet ones who are exempt from the same standards as the rest of the Caf. Hence why I bring it up when I think it's pertinent.

Honestly, If I started a thread right now saying "Should Rooney pull out fo the FA Cup?"...Which is just as legitimate as this one, are you telling me it wouldn't be closed for being retarded?
Ok. Firstly, I'm not making any assumptions about you as person, just as a poster. And yes there make be people who get more wound up but not in the silly groundhog day way you do. The fact that people who have met you say you are a lovely bloke just makes all the nonsense on here even more frustrating.

You're world cup performance was the stuff of caf lore I'm afraid this is not the last you'll hear of it, so maybe not having a minor flip out when it is mentioned might stop the frequency of the mentions. And nobody is ignoring the points you are making, maybe they just don't see your words as the silver bullets you do? And so what if they are ignoring you, who are you anyway?

Mods are the posters you banter with all the time, and I know I have actually not infracted people that desrved infractions because I was at some point disagreeing with them and it'd look bad. And as for being exempt? Are you sure?

And this thread is a massive leap and kinda silly IMO but the question of the FA using Wayne as an example might have crossed the lads mind as well as mine so who knows. So the FA cup comparison is a bit nonsensical.
 

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Yet there's no legitimate reason to think a) he will even consider it or b) it's in anyway a sequitur, which it isn't. As pointed out, why not retire from playing in the FA Cup? Meaning this is basically just a thread saying "Who likes England? yes, no eboue"....Which is really a rather irksome and tiresome thread to have in the United forum, but if it were called that, would at least be accurate rather than fatuous.
I think it has context. The FA, who run the England set up, have made an example of a player who they suddenly want onside and to report every time there is a pointless friendly or an interview to a media outlet.

I'd love him to show the FA the finger and say 'Well ok, feck ya then'.

I don't think he would consider it in all fairness.
 

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Most folk who give a hoot about England will want him to carry on. Yourself, Brad and the likes.

Others who don't would happily see him retire...over principle...or anything else really.

Meh..is what it is.
Exactly, the results of this poll only convey for the most part United fans who don't give a feck about England.

...and there seems to be some bizarre agenda against the national team for alot of our fans so I'm not surprised the results are so high.

...but from the perspective of Wayne? He loves his country and putting on that shirt, not in a billion years would he do what's suggested.
 

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I'm English, so I'm support the England national team. Rooney is one of the best players for England so I want him to play because he'll be good for the team and improve them.

Crazy, I know.

English United fans who specifically dislike the England national team are a bit pathetic imo.
 

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Exactly, the results of this poll only convey for the most part United fans who don't give a feck about England.

...and there seems to be some bizarre agenda against the national team for alot of our fans so I'm not surprised the results are so high.

...but from the perspective of Wayne? He loves his country and putting on that shirt, not in a billion years would he do what's suggested.
I don't understand the issue here. The poll is titled 'Should Rooney retire...' which clearly asks for a subjective opinion. If it said 'Will he retire...' then I could understand the consternation.
 

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...but from the perspective of Wayne? He loves his country and putting on that shirt, not in a billion years would he do what's suggested.
I posted earlier that I doubt Wayne comes to the caf looking for career advice. It's a bit of fun and an outlet for United fans who disagree vehemently with this punishment.
 

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I'm English, so I'm support the England national team. Rooney is one of the best players for England so I want him to play because he'll be good for the team and improve them.

Crazy, I know.

English United fans who specifically dislike the England national team are a bit pathetic imo.
Why?
 

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If you can't see the difference between incidents featuring language used within the context of the game, and one's featuring a player deliberately finding a camera and aiming abusive language into it then I give up.
When did he deliberately find a camera?

Trying to regulate against the incidents you use as examples would clearly have a detrimental effect on the game and be impossible. Isn't that incredibly obvious?
This has a detrimental effect as a player is incorrectly banned, isn't that incredibly obvious

It should, however, be possible for a governing body to take measures against people running up to a camera with the express wish to swear directly into it.
When did he do any of this, he ran to the away fans and the camera came to him, he didn't go to the camera with the express wish to do anything as he didn't go to the camera, which came directly into his face for no apparent reason.

I don't want that to feature in a game watched by millions of kids and I'd expect any governing body to voice their disapproval and consider taking appropriate action.
Children hear much worse comments than that almost daily, this isn't a pre watershed tv show.
 

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Exactly, the results of this poll only convey for the most part United fans who don't give a feck about England.

...and there seems to be some bizarre agenda against the national team for alot of our fans so I'm not surprised the results are so high.

...but from the perspective of Wayne? He loves his country and putting on that shirt, not in a billion years would he do what's suggested.
Exactly it's not suprising. The poll would be more interesting if it just involved the England fans on this site who followed United to be fair.

I don't find the 'agenda' as you put it bizarre at all. As a United fan who attented games as Wembley at least. But that's besides the point.

I don't think he'd give it up really, he just loves playing football the lad.
 

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Exactly, the results of this poll only convey for the most part United fans who don't give a feck about England.

...and there seems to be some bizarre agenda against the national team for alot of our fans so I'm not surprised the results are so high.

...but from the perspective of Wayne? He loves his country and putting on that shirt, not in a billion years would he do what's suggested.
It's a poll, just vote what you think.

It's not a bizarre agenda, it's been a badge of honour for sections of our fans for years.
 

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Most folk who give a hoot about England will want him to carry on. Yourself, Brad and the likes.

Others who don't would happily see him retire...over principle...or anything else really.

Meh..is what it is.
The reason why I voted no is because the club can do without the shit storm that will follow if Rooney quits the national team.

I just think he needs to put his head down and avoid anything that will generate any controversy. Quitting the national side will be like World War fecking 3 and honestly will end up doing nobody any favours including the Rooney and the club.

If he quit in the same fashion as Paul Scholes I would be delighted though. Only because the English team means very little to me.

I was gutted with the Roy Keane affair in 2002 and very happy when he briefly returned
 

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Because why wouldn't you support your own country? I can understand if someone's not interested in international football but indifference is different to active dislike.

Usually they'll list the reason that a lot of England fans dislike United. That's because a lot of them support opposition teams who are jealous of United's success, that's to be expected, all football teams have idiot fans, and England are no exception. Or, alternatively, they'll blame it on the English media who have scapegoated United players in the past, but, again, that's the fault of the stupid tabloid press making up shite stories, again, not the fault of the national side.

I just think it's a bit petty to hate your own country's national side because of idiot fans and the stupid media... they're nothing to do with the team themselves.
 

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I don't understand the issue here. The poll is titled 'Should Rooney retire...' which clearly asks for a subjective opinion. If it said 'Will he retire...' then I could understand the consternation.
The fact of the matter is alot of fans on here have an agenda against England.

If this incident didn't happen the poll will still be similar.

Same for any of our English lads. Chris Smalling retire? Oh yes please!
 

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What about the fans who praised Berba for quitting internationals or those that say Evra should do the same regards France.

Mockney has erupted and is just venting his steam.
 

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Because why wouldn't you support your own country? I can understand if someone's not interesting in international football but indifference is different to active dislike.

Usually they'll list the reason that a lot of England fans dislike United. That's because a lot of them support opposition teams who are jealous of United's success, that's to be expected, all football teams have idiot fans, and England are no exception. Or, alternatively, they'll blame it on the English media who have scapegoated United players in the past, but, again, that's the fault of the stupid tabloid press making up shite stories, again, not the fault of the national side.

I just think it's a bit petty to hate your own country's national side because of idiot fans and the stupid media... they're nothing to do with the team themselves.
I don't know, that doesn't seem like an answer to me. I don't understand why you have to love your country, nor do I understand why you aren't allowed to hate the football team. It's not how I am personally as I love my national team, but if people feel that way - and there are lots of them - then who are we to say they're pathetic? At least in the absence of any compelling argument that they should love/support/etc their country, or shouldn't actively dislike them.

Patriotism or national pride aren't a one size fits all thing. Some people will have their own reasons, possibly no more logical than the demand that they either support their national team or don't actively dislike them.
 

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I don't know, that doesn't seem like an answer to me. I don't understand why you have to love your country, nor do I understand why you aren't allowed to hate the football team. It's not how I am personally as I love my national team, but if people feel that way - and there are lots of them - then who are we to say they're pathetic? At least in the absence of any compelling argument that they should love/support/etc their country, or shouldn't actively dislike them.

Patriotism or national pride aren't a one size fits all thing. Some people will have their own reasons, possibly no more logical than the demand that they either support their national team or don't actively dislike them.
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The fact of the matter is alot of fans on here have an agenda against England.

If this incident didn't happen the poll will still be similar.

Same for any of our English lads. Chris Smalling retire? Oh yes please!
So? Why is your opinion more valid than theirs? Do your bit and disagree. It's not a conspiracy, it's just a bunch of people that, for their own reasons, don't much like the England team.