If Liverpool do get him I wonder if there'll be an article in the Echo about how this proves Dalglish is an embittered jealous oaf who is shitting himself at the prospect of taking on Ferguson, so he's trying to stop him however he can.
Phil Jones to United | Transfer to Champions complete
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So basically Liverpool hopes either that Venkys will send enforcers/Carragher to Jones to persuade him to choose Liverpool, or that Jones will feel obliged to Blackburn to earn them as much money as possible?
So basically what Blackburn are saying that when you table a bid of £16m, you can speak to the player, but then you have to re-negotiate the price anyway? What exactly would be the point of that clause, and what are Liverpool trying to achieve with a £22m bid?
This is one weird transfer saga, another one this season for us after virtually confirming arrival of De Gea during press conference, then him coming out and saying that nothing has been agreed and he doesn't even know about the move. Also, not a single person involved in Young's transfer has spoken about it either, no official confirmation from anyone, yet everyone assumes that all three players are ours, which is probably true.
This is one weird transfer saga, another one this season for us after virtually confirming arrival of De Gea during press conference, then him coming out and saying that nothing has been agreed and he doesn't even know about the move. Also, not a single person involved in Young's transfer has spoken about it either, no official confirmation from anyone, yet everyone assumes that all three players are ours, which is probably true.
If the contract states that at £16 million pounds the player has to be released to the bidding club, and Venky deny it, 'providing there's no other clause in the buyout' then Venky are denying one of the terms of the contract. In the same way if you don't pay your rent, you're denying one of the terms of your rental agreement; therefore, the real estate agent is within their rights to rip up the contract. If Venky do not fulfill part of the contract 'they will', then Jones is quite within his right to take the matter to court and have the contract considered void, thus making him a free agent.
I think they've simply realised that they could have got much more than £16m for him and are chancing their arm in the hope that the player will change his mind as nothing has been completed yet.
The de Gea situation has been explained many times already.
telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8570802/Manchester-United-confident-of-signing-Phil-Jones-from-Blackburn-Rovers-despite-Liverpools-hijack-bid.html
Stuart Pearce is quoted saying tha jones united move is not in doubt
Stuart Pearce is quoted saying tha jones united move is not in doubt
There's no direct quote so it could be rehashing what he said when Henderson and Jones got back to the team and he said their deals were signed.
This is the thing I don't understand. Everyone is making fun of the Venky's and their misunderstanding of the clause. Yet, if the clause was so clear-cut, how come the deal has not yet been finalised? One of the rags reported that the clause is not clear-cut, so how come people on here are so confident about it? None of us have actually seen the contract. Looks like we may actually end up having to overpay here. Only good news I can see so far is Jones' preference to join us. Everything else stinks of dogshite.
I agree none of us know the details but I'm relaxed about it based on what I have read.
This is the Telegraph's explanation:
Reminds me of this:
haha..classic peters
Indians and Jews would be more appropriate.
Given that the press are still speculating, I'll throw in another piece of speculation.
In Spain, where release clauses are standard, when a club treats a bid as hostile it'll insist the player asks for the transfer and waives his slice of the fee. Of course, the buyer can always give the player a signing bonus in compensation. Naturally I'm speculating from a position of "no idea what his contract says or means" strength, just like the Mail etc...
Personally I've not seen Jones play very much, so the great thing about all this for me is that I'm now really pleased that we're buying him, whereas I'd have probably been a bit indifferent before.
In Spain, where release clauses are standard, when a club treats a bid as hostile it'll insist the player asks for the transfer and waives his slice of the fee. Of course, the buyer can always give the player a signing bonus in compensation. Naturally I'm speculating from a position of "no idea what his contract says or means" strength, just like the Mail etc...
Personally I've not seen Jones play very much, so the great thing about all this for me is that I'm now really pleased that we're buying him, whereas I'd have probably been a bit indifferent before.
Scouser fans have this wierd tendency to think that people they like are gods whose every move is pure genius.
It's getting a tad worrisome ill admit. It seemed so cut and dry and now you have other clubs making bids. Hope we sign him.
Don't be dumb. When lawyers are involved things never move quickly. They charge by the hour.
So i presume this tiresome transfer will go through today? Or latest tomorrow.
this is pathetic from blackburn they want to invite a bidding war despite setting their release clause at 16m and want to sell him to the highest bidder, likely to be liverpool then
The problem is that Blackburn have no CEO or managing director at moment so all decisions go through the venkys who don't seem to understand how things work
Makes no difference if the player doesn't want to go there.
Hasn't this deal happened yet? 
Will the FA have to step in? Or even lawyers?
Will the FA have to step in? Or even lawyers?
Exactly. If either John Williams or Tom Finn were still at the club then this would probably have been sorted out 2 or 3 days ago. I expect that Jerome ''couldn't pick his nose'' Anderson is a large reason for the delay as well as the mental Venky's themselves.
Aren't we getting carried away with the thought of us not getting jones??
Blackburn stipulated the release fee clause, we and others met it, jones picked us
Because there are teams willing to spend above the release fee it doesn't mean our offer or the clause is invalid
He wants to play for Manchester united and we will sign him on Monday for 16 million
Don't panic
Blackburn stipulated the release fee clause, we and others met it, jones picked us
Because there are teams willing to spend above the release fee it doesn't mean our offer or the clause is invalid
He wants to play for Manchester united and we will sign him on Monday for 16 million
Don't panic
Basically, yes.
After trying to feck up his dream move the Venky's obviously expect Jones to be so full of gratitude he'll happily go to the club of their choosing.
Yeah, this is surely the problem. United will get the player in the end. But it could drag on. It's only June 12th though. There's a lot of time to play with.
Gotta laugh at the scousers thinking they are causing us hassle. If they reallly are still chasing the player then it'll just prove how good a player they have missed out on.
As kietheworld said, according to the Echo Fergie only signed jones because he was terrified of Dalglish signing him. So how fecking desperate do they look now, bidding for a player that already turned them down? Twats 
Agree re. Jerome Anderson.
He has strong links with Arsenal and it was reported yesterday that they had also lodged a bid in addition to Liverpool.
Hehe it would make the deal even sweeter for him to choose us and reject them once again.As kietheworld said, according to the Echo Fergie only signed jones because he was terrified of Dalglish signing him. So how fecking desperate do they look now, bidding for a player that already turned them down? Twats
But Pogue, you have worries in central midfield which I'm sure you admit you have to address. If by what Liverpool are doing means you have less money to focus on central midfield then isn't it worth doing? Worse case scenario, we end up with Jones for 22 million.
And from the impression I'm getting he is a top, top player. No doubting that.
And from the impression I'm getting he is a top, top player. No doubting that.
What makes you think we'll end up paying a penny more than the amount stated in his release clause?
A few promising tweets from Paul Smith (Chief Football Reporter for the Sunday Mirror)
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It's all very strange. I don't know how true the rumours are as they still aren't being reported on the likes of SSN and I'd have thought they'd be all over stuff like this. But it does seem that Blackburn are trying to make us pay more money simply because they've read a few reports in the media from the likes of Kevin Gallacher saying this deal is a bargain and other clubs have made it clear that they would pay more to get him.
I don't really blame Blackburn for trying to get more, but it does seem to be a bit futile to me from my limited knowledge of release clauses etc. Can't really have too much sympathy for them - if you do not want to sell a player for a certain amount do not insert that release clause in his contract. They must have really not anticipated this much interest from other clubs willing to pay so much money, which is strange as he is clealy a top talent.
So as it stands: we've met the release clause of £16m in Phil Jones' contract. He has agreed terms, passed a medical and wants to come here. Blackburn have had second thoughts as they think they could have gotten more money for him. Liverpool have come back and said they'll offer £22 million. Blackburn want us to match that fee. Blackburn's football advisors have told them that they don't really have a leg to stand on, United are massively confident and everybody still expects the deal to go through.
I don't really blame Blackburn for trying to get more, but it does seem to be a bit futile to me from my limited knowledge of release clauses etc. Can't really have too much sympathy for them - if you do not want to sell a player for a certain amount do not insert that release clause in his contract. They must have really not anticipated this much interest from other clubs willing to pay so much money, which is strange as he is clealy a top talent.
So as it stands: we've met the release clause of £16m in Phil Jones' contract. He has agreed terms, passed a medical and wants to come here. Blackburn have had second thoughts as they think they could have gotten more money for him. Liverpool have come back and said they'll offer £22 million. Blackburn want us to match that fee. Blackburn's football advisors have told them that they don't really have a leg to stand on, United are massively confident and everybody still expects the deal to go through.
Do you really believe that's what is happening?
Nothing whatsoever. This is a done deal for 16 million to you guys in my mind. But the Venky's aren't all there mentally, so why not exploit the situation is my point. It could be obsession, but then that's not surprising either is it after your number 19.
Why are liverpool fans so desperate to believe that they have any effect on Uniteds transfer dealings? They are not equals at the moment. No player with ambition will choose Liverpool over United. If united have to battle with someone for jones it would be Arsenal.
Exploit the situation how?
This whole "forcing the price up higher" theory has been jumped on by muppet Liverpool fans on the internet. It's ludicrous. You don't gamble 20 million quid on the off-chance you'll force United to pay over the odds. The only reason they would make a bid is because they want to sign the player. Will be fun when they're told to feck off twice in one transfer. Especially for a player they need much more badly than we do.
My two cents. If there is a release clause it is part of a contract between Jones and Blackburn. It is Jones' right to sue Blackburn to make them abide by it. It is not United's right to enforce this clause, it is Jone's. If Jones does not want to litigate to enforce his right, United will have to pay more than the release clause. Ball is in Jones' court.
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