Luke Shaw

WR10 said:

Alright let’s forget a comparison to AWB for a second because they’re in different leagues. You just pulled out a negative for AWB and at worst he still nullified any threat from any opposition we have played so far. Toss in the fact that if Jesse wasn’t as useless as he is, AWB would have 2 direct assists vs Wolves. To really put it to bed - AWB had 9 successful tackles to Shaw’s 2 vs wolves. So AWB aside - it’s back to the main point. Why are you accepting how mediocre Shaw is? I understand we can’t do anything about it but how can you be satisfied with the contributions when he can’t even keep it up past 60 minutes? Never mind his non existent attacking contributions - why do we have to look at what happened to him and our team when Adama came on and think to our selves ‘yea that’s all we could do, we go again next game, Shaw is still decent’? It just feels like I’m reading a mid table forum being satisfied with mediocre players.

Unfortunately like kouroux was saying - we can’t really do anything about it so I guess we agree to disagree

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You’re saying he his mediocre. Many are saying he isn’t. So many don’t see it as accepting anything.

Harry Maguire made 1 tackle, Victor 3. Luke Shaw won 4 headers, Harry Maguire 6 Bissaka 0

Luke Shaw also had the highest key passes in the game and made more crosses.

That pass was great but I imagine the deflection wouldn’t have given it as an assist even if Lingard had managed to adjust.

I would say Shaw’s work in our build up and approach was far superior not to mention there were more good runs than just the one for Martials goal. There was a run he made that had breached the backline just Pogbas pass to him was cut out. Then he got in position to put in some crosses.

I think he is a good player and he can improve aspects of his game but personally I think his football IQ, first touch, and passing is far superior currently.

He had a good game, honestly don’t really get where all the hate is coming from for that performance.

Lentwood said:

So.....let me get this right then....you're saying Traore is just impossible to play against...that no full back can contain him and whatever you try is doomed to fail?

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Yes. Unless you can match his pace and physical strength. The only way to legally stop him one on one is by tag teaming him. Period. Because his can dribble around almost anyone.....

Lentwood said:

This is Adama Traore, the lad who came on as a sub for Wolverhampton Wanderers? Not Messi, not Ronaldo, not Hazard, not peak Ribery, Robben or Giggs.....Adama Traore....?

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Yes. A lad physically stronger than all of them except Ronaldo. And a better dribbler than every single one of them. Regularly completing the most successful dribblers in the entire league every few minutes he is on pitch. He doesn't need to be as smart as ANY of them up stairs to make a fullback's time on pitch an absolutely night mare.

After all we used to witness a short, super pacey, dumbo named Aaron Lennon with semi good dribbling skill utterly tear a world class fullback like Evra a new one often. And this guy is twice the size, blessed with even more pace and worse, armed with top tier dribbling skills......

Lentwood said:

I think you're still confusing my point in any case. I am not advocating man marking. I am talking about the basics of positioning at full back. Shaw stood too far off Traore time and time again, which allowed Traore to use his standout attribute - pace.

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No sir. YOU sir are the one just NOT getting it. Any fullback who dares take your advice would be left for absolutely dead by a Traore. Super easily. Because not only is he super quick, he is also physical beast, with top tier close control. Meaning he wouldn't even need to be smart to leave a fullback for dead if they tried to best him in close quarters. He'd just need to hold the defender off and finish.....

Luke Shaw wasn't shackled and harassed by that player due to ANY poor positioning second half. It was all due to his opponent's insane pace combined with superb close control, in concert with a totally unmolested supply line from his midfielders.

Its our tactics as a team that were poor as regards dealing with him. We did not bother to cut the supply to Traore, nor did we double team him. The same way Wolves spent the entire second half double teaming Pogba.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:

Yes. Unless you can match his pace and physical strength. The only way to legally stop him one on one is by tag teaming him. Period. Because his can dribble around almost anyone.....

Yes. A lad physically stronger than all of them except Ronaldo. And a better dribbler than every single one of them. Regularly completing the most successful dribblers in the entire league every few minutes he is on pitch. He doesn't need to be as smart as ANY of them up stairs to make a fullback's time on pitch an absolutely night mare.

After all we used to witness a short, super pacey, dumbo named Aaron Lennon with semi good dribbling skill utterly tear a world class fullback like Evra a new one often. And this guy is twice the size, blessed with even more pace and worse, armed with top tier dribbling skills......


No sir. YOU sir are the one just NOT getting it. Any fullback who dares take your advice would be left for absolutely dead by a Traore. Super easily. Because not only is he super quick, he is also physical beast, with top tier close control. Meaning he wouldn't even need to be smart to leave a fullback for dead if they tried to best him in close quarters. He'd just need to hold the defender off and finish.....

Luke Shaw wasn't shackled and harassed by that player due to ANY poor positioning second half. It was all due to his opponent's insane pace combined with superb close control, in concert with a totally unmolested supply line from his midfielders.

Its our tactics as a team that were poor as regards dealing with him. We did not bother to cut the supply to Traore, nor did we double team him. The same way Wolves spent the entire second half double teaming Pogba.

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Wow there's some serious overrating of Traore going on here. Shaw was always going to have a hard time against him due to his speed and Traore coming on fresh vs Shaw but mostly because Shaw is not a good 1v1 defender. Good defending is about timing and anticipation not just trying to match the attacker's physicality. Allowing Traore to sprint down the wing in a straight line is bad defending, a good full-back would have cut him off or put pressure on him the moment he was going to receive the ball. Giving any attacker the ability to receive, control and turn without pressure is just asking to trouble.

reddevil702 said:

Wow there's some serious overrating of Traore going on here. Shaw was always going to have a hard time against him due to his speed and Traore coming on fresh vs Shaw but mostly because Shaw is not a good 1v1 defender. Good defending is about timing and anticipation not just trying to match the attacker's physicality. Allowing Traore to sprint down the wing in a straight line is bad defending, a good full-back would have cut him off or put pressure on him the moment he was going to receive the ball. Giving any attacker the ability to receive, control and turn without pressure is just asking to trouble.

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I repeat. Before you trot out the same excuse of Shaw's allegedly bad one on one defending. Give us evidence of a SINGLE premier league fullback who has shackled Traore all on their lone some. Making it impossible for him to get on the ball, control it and run at their defence.


When you do, you will have earned the right to preach to us how we are supposedly 'overrating him'. This type of excuse is up their with claiming its 'overeating denilson' who used to get picked for Brazil squads regular just for time wasting simply because NOBODY on the planet could legally take a ball off of him....

You just simply and CLEARLY haven't the slightest inkling how good a Traore's dribbling skills are.

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:

Yes. Unless you can match his pace and physical strength. The only way to legally stop him one on one is by tag teaming him. Period. Because his can dribble around almost anyone.....

Yes. A lad physically stronger than all of them except Ronaldo. And a better dribbler than every single one of them. Regularly completing the most successful dribblers in the entire league every few minutes he is on pitch. He doesn't need to be as smart as ANY of them up stairs to make a fullback's time on pitch an absolutely night mare.

After all we used to witness a short, super pacey, dumbo named Aaron Lennon with semi good dribbling skill utterly tear a world class fullback like Evra a new one often. And this guy is twice the size, blessed with even more pace and worse, armed with top tier dribbling skills......

No sir. YOU sir are the one just NOT getting it. Any fullback who dares take your advice would be left for absolutely dead by a Traore. Super easily. Because not only is he super quick, he is also physical beast, with top tier close control. Meaning he wouldn't even need to be smart to leave a fullback for dead if they tried to best him in close quarters. He'd just need to hold the defender off and finish.....

Luke Shaw wasn't shackled and harassed by that player due to ANY poor positioning second half. It was all due to his opponent's insane pace combined with superb close control, in concert with a totally unmolested supply line from his midfielders.

Its our tactics as a team that were poor as regards dealing with him. We did not bother to cut the supply to Traore, nor did we double team him. The same way Wolves spent the entire second half double teaming Pogba.

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I'll just leave this here and say Jose Mourinho and I disagree with you

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...aw-rocket-Manchester-United-lose-Watford.html

Read the article and pay close attention to the graphics, which depict Shaw standing miles away from the winger and allowing THEM to dictate to HIM, as opposed to the other way around

Bwuk said:

If Traore was good he wouldn’t be a bench player at Wolves.

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He is not a good player but a good dribbler and he is fast and strong. He is where he is because his end product is beyond trash

Lentwood said:

I'll just leave this here and say Jose Mourinho and I disagree with you

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...aw-rocket-Manchester-United-lose-Watford.html

Read the article and pay close attention to the graphics, which depict Shaw standing miles away from the winger and allowing THEM to dictate to HIM, as opposed to the other way around

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I agree with you.

Why on earth as a full back you'd purposely let a fast winger get space to run at you/into I have no idea.

Sometimes I really wonder how many people on here have actually played football.

Bwuk said:

If Traore was good he wouldn’t be a bench player at Wolves.

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his end product is non-existent, if he improved that he'd start

he's a handful though, no doubt

Bwuk said:

I agree with you.

Why on earth as a full back you'd purposely let a fast winger get space to run at you/into I have no idea.

Sometimes I really wonder how many people on here have actually played football.

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For the same reason many CB’s sit off fast strikers. The same reason some of the best CB;s we’ve seen including Rio go on about stepping off a speedy player. Even Gary Neville says it. That’s basic football stuff.

Keep in mind Shaw is also a speedy player who probably backs himself to go toe to toe with most people in a race. You give yourself a couple of yards so when you see them take off you have a window to accelerate yourself. Let’s also add this Shaw handled Messi.

Andersons Dietician said:

For the same reason many CB’s sit off fast strikers. The same reason some of the best CB;s we’ve seen including Rio go on about stepping off a speedy player. Even Gary Neville says it. That’s basic football stuff.

Keep in mind Shaw is also a speedy player who probably backs himself to go toe to toe with most people in a race. You give yourself a couple of yards so when you see them take off you have a window to accelerate yourself. Let’s also add this Shaw handled Messi.

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Luke Shaw isn't a CB. Handled Messi? We lost 4-0 to Barca on aggregate, with Messi scoring twice in one game and a Luke Shaw own goal in the other.

Bwuk said:

Luke Shaw isn't a CB. Handled Messi? We lost 4-0 to Barca on aggregate, with Messi scoring twice in one game and a Luke Shaw own goal in the other.

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Shaw did not play the away leg.

Andersons Dietician said:

You’re saying he his mediocre. Many are saying he isn’t. So many don’t see it as accepting anything.

Harry Maguire made 1 tackle, Victor 3. Luke Shaw won 4 headers, Harry Maguire 6 Bissaka 0

Luke Shaw also had the highest key passes in the game and made more crosses.

That pass was great but I imagine the deflection wouldn’t have given it as an assist even if Lingard had managed to adjust.

I would say Shaw’s work in our build up and approach was far superior not to mention there were more good runs than just the one for Martials goal. There was a run he made that had breached the backline just Pogbas pass to him was cut out. Then he got in position to put in some crosses.

I think he is a good player and he can improve aspects of his game but personally I think his football IQ, first touch, and passing is far superior currently.

He had a good game, honestly don’t really get where all the hate is coming from for that performance.

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Some fans just pick a player every season to baste.

Bwuk said:

Luke Shaw isn't a CB. Handled Messi? We lost 4-0 to Barca on aggregate, with Messi scoring twice in one game and a Luke Shaw own goal in the other.

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Note that Gary Neville was a fullback and says the same thing which I mentioned in the post. You’re still dealing with the same scenario of a fast player that might try to go past you. You give him a few yards. If you’re a fullback you try and show them inside to their weaker foot in to numbers or if you think you can match or beat them for pace show them down the outside and use you gap to match them or insert yourself between them and the ball or go to ground.
That’s basic, football watch any modern fullback and that’s what you’ll see.

The Watford game as well, Shaw is trying to show him inside on to his weaker foot. Instead the guy decides to a cross from a reasonably deep area and strikes pay dirt. Jose that showed up at United was an absolute joke so anything he says should be filed away under nonsense.

Messi in the first game had to leave Shaw as he was getting no joy and was being handled. As for the OG Suarez heads it off of Shaw’s arm like 4 yards out. Hardly a reason to criticise someone is it. Also given the new rules would that goal even be given?

As others have said, Shaw didn’t play the 2nd game. How did Messi do in that game?

Bwuk said:

Luke Shaw isn't a CB. Handled Messi? We lost 4-0 to Barca on aggregate, with Messi scoring twice in one game and a Luke Shaw own goal in the other.

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Young played against Messi, Shaw wasn't even in the squad.

What a joke of fan group. Shaw is fine at LB.

AltiUn said:

Young played against Messi, Shaw wasn't even in the squad.

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Shows how many fans just look at the scoreline than actually watch the 90 minutes.

I was checking Lukaku thread, few videos from the @GifLord post,


Need more of these this season. Not the finishing but the chance creation.

roonster09 said:

I was checking Lukaku thread, few videos from the @GifLord post,


Need more of these this season. Not the finishing but the chance creation.

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"He needs replacing" "Cannot Cross" these fans need to watch 90 mins of games not highlights.

romufc said:

"He needs replacing" "Cannot Cross" these fans need to watch 90 mins of games not highlights.

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Tbf these are the highlights

Andersons Dietician said:

For the same reason many CB’s sit off fast strikers. The same reason some of the best CB;s we’ve seen including Rio go on about stepping off a speedy player. Even Gary Neville says it. That’s basic football stuff.

Keep in mind Shaw is also a speedy player who probably backs himself to go toe to toe with most people in a race. You give yourself a couple of yards so when you see them take off you have a window to accelerate yourself. Let’s also add this Shaw handled Messi.

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Do you appreciate the difference between 'stepping off' and standing 10-15 yards away from the attacker? When Rio and G.Nev say 'step-off', they are talking about being a yard or two from the attacker and then instantly stepping in to close the gap as the attacker receives the ball

What you are trying to avoid as a defender by 'stepping off' is the attacker running into the space behind you. However, what you are ALSO trying to avoid (as a lesser evil) is the attacker being able to control the ball and turn under no pressure. Therefore, good defenders, as I said in my very first post, are positionally aware enough to EFFECT the player (i.e. not allow them to easily control the ball, turn and gather pace) WITHOUT standing too close and constantly having to chase back towards their own goal

What Shaw was doing against Traore, for whatever reason, was standing so far away that Traore could easily take a pass, turn under no pressure, get the ball out of his feet and build up speed. Thus, by the time Shaw engaged, Traore was already in full flight and able to easily beat him for pace.

flappyjay said:

Apparently he is just a sprinter, no skill. It's like they have never seen Traore play. Easily one of the best dribblers in the league

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flappyjay said:

Doesn't have to be peak any of those players for him to have exceptional speed and control of the ball. He is a great dribbler, your problem might be that you have reduced him to just a speed merchant, which he isn't.

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2.2 dribbles per game in the premier league. was over 7 in the championship so he is no better than Redmond, or felipe Anderson

Bwuk said:

Mental that folk think Manchester United’s starting left back shouldn’t be able to deal with a sub for Wolves.

Traore is sh*te, if he was any good he wouldn’t be benched.

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AMEN

MadDogg said:

Traore is average as an all round player. He has no idea what to do on a football pitch when he's not dribbling with the ball at his feet. But off the top of my head I'd say he's probably the best pure dribbler in the league now that Hazard is gone.

Evra always struggled against Lennon, and Traore is faster, stronger and a better dribbler than Lennon ever was.

Don't get me wrong; Shaw didn't have a great game and he does annoy me at times when he doesn't block off the crossing angles. But a lot of people are significantly under-rating Traore to go overboard with criticism of Shaw.

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what does this even mean?

Lentwood said:

Do you appreciate the difference between 'stepping off' and standing 10-15 yards away from the attacker? When Rio and G.Nev say 'step-off', they are talking about being a yard or two from the attacker and then instantly stepping in to close the gap as the attacker receives the ball

What you are trying to avoid as a defender by 'stepping off' is the attacker running into the space behind you. However, what you are ALSO trying to avoid (as a lesser evil) is the attacker being able to control the ball and turn under no pressure. Therefore, good defenders, as I said in my very first post, are positionally aware enough to EFFECT the player (i.e. not allow them to easily control the ball, turn and gather pace) WITHOUT standing too close and constantly having to chase back towards their own goal

What Shaw was doing against Traore, for whatever reason, was standing so far away that Traore could easily take a pass, turn under no pressure, get the ball out of his feet and build up speed. Thus, by the time Shaw engaged, Traore was already in full flight and able to easily beat him for pace.

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What you’re saying never happened though. I’ve just re-watched it and Traore was pretty much playing as a wingback and picking the ball up from deep. Every time he received the ball he was facing play except once where Shaw goes to him and he passes it off immediately. For most of it as well Shaw is marking someone else and then has to leave that person or pass them on so he can go to the danger Traore.

Let’s face it this is standard CAF witch-hunt rubbish.

Obviously you have to play it by scenario and the man. If you know Traore is a speed merchant give yourself room. United will have spent all week preparing for this games and I’d imagine Shaw would have been instructed and prepaired for many scenarios with what opposition players he might come up against tend to like to do in certain scenarios and this is what he should do.

Take Salah for example last year. He played and received the ball a lot with his back to goal against us and everytime the ball went to him Shaw snapped in at him and didn’t give him the chance. I’d wager Shaw felt comfortable doing this knowing he’s probably just as fast and certainly stronger than Salah. However Salah picking the ball up facing play, Shaw did what any good fullback does sits off tries to show Salah where he wants him jockeys him until he sees his opportunity and can stop the play.

Now Traore is probably one of the few players in our league that can outpace Shaw and is probably as strong or stronger. So even though the opportunity never presents itself for the scenario you’re suggesting I doubt Shaw would have snapped in.

Anyway the fact that Traore played as a wingback alone answers why Shaw was 10-15 or actually much further away from him because it was more like 30 to 50 yards. That should settle any debate.

Nothing to do with poor positional play at all because like I said Shaw’s not going to be man tight to a wingback picking up the ball on the halfway line or deeper.

Lentwood said:

I'll just leave this here and say Jose Mourinho and I disagree with you

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...aw-rocket-Manchester-United-lose-Watford.html

Read the article and pay close attention to the graphics, which depict Shaw standing miles away from the winger and allowing THEM to dictate to HIM, as opposed to the other way around

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so you think quoting my an old article about shaw, albeit when he was still rediscovering firm and fitness after a long lay off is 'proof' he stood a chance against a traore in particular?

Come on now....

Andersons Dietician said:

Nothing to do with poor positional play at all because like I said Shaw’s not going to be man tight to a wingback picking up the ball on the halfway line or deeper.

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Good post. Also the fact that Traore was attacking as wing back and there was a 2 v 1 against Shaw, that is never easy.

When Traore was 1 v 1 the problem is that a player like him is hard to defend because I'm not sure he even knows what he will do with the ball which makes it that much harder.

And 'dribbles per 90 mintues' doesn't tell you back shit about dribbling ability
Especially for players Luke Traore who hardly get to play full 90 minutes often.

You want to get how truly effective ANY dribbler is. Just divide their biggest volume of successful dribbles by the total volume of their dribbles made. A guy like Traore has his at about 80%....

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:

And 'dribbles per 90 mintues' doesn't tell you back shit about dribbling ability
Especially for players Luke Traore who hardly get to play full 90 minutes often.

You want to get how truly effective ANY dribbler is. Just divide their biggest volume of successful dribbles by the total volume of their dribbles made. A guy like Traore has his at about 80%....

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Luke Traore?

Sounds fast.

Stocky but fast.

Shaw has played from the start and then half way into the second half this strong speed merchant is facing you. Shaw had almost no help from his left winger and is left alone to deal with him. Shaw has been bombing forward all day and it is crazy to think that he is not going to get knackered and when he faces someone like Traore he is going to get beaten for speed.
He is a very good lb and he is going to get better as the season goes on. The fact we could not beat Wolves was no fault of Shaw at all. The fact we scored was because of Shaw.

This is weird, why are people having a go at Shaw for that Wolves performance? Is he the perfect fullback? Of course not. He didn't do much wrong though.

Bwuk said:

I agree with you.

Why on earth as a full back you'd purposely let a fast winger get space to run at you/into I have no idea.

Sometimes I really wonder how many people on here have actually played football.

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Depends on how much belief you have in your own physical attributes. Evra would allow most wingers room down the outside. That way he blocked them from cutting in, and he would beat them in a foot race if they went on the outside. I think that's why he struggled with Lennon. Lennon was arguably the only player who would beat him in those foot races, and Evra's defending depended on it.

I've seen Shaw looking to do something similar, but he's not nearly as quick off the mark, and he looks to position himself too squarely. I agree that he gives his opponents too much room considering his own physicality.

Stacks said:

2.2 dribbles per game in the premier league. was over 7 in the championship so he is no better than Redmond, or felipe Anderson


AMEN



what does this even mean?

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The ignorance is unreal innit?
Traore played 896 minutes in the EPL last season, attempted 81 total dribbles and failed with just 16 of them. That's 6.53 successful dribbles in a full 90-minute game with an accuracy of 80%. That were comfortably the best in the league last season. Hazard has never hit 6.53 league dribbles per 90 in his entire career. In fact, Hazard was second for dribbles in the EPL last season, and he finished with just 4.2 dribbles per 90 with 67% accuracy.
As a starter with lowly Middlesbrough in the EPL, Traore played 1537 minutes, attempted 180 dribbles and failed with just 44 of them. That's 7.96 successful dribbles per full game with a 76% accuracy. In the Championship, it stood at 9.71 successful dribbles per full game with a 78% accuracy. Those are outrageous numbers and does not even include most one-on-one situations where he just kicked and rushed past the fullback.
No matter how good you are as a fullback, Traore will get the better of you. Pound for pound, he's a better dribber than the likes of Hazard, Robben, Ribery, Ronaldo or any top player that has been posted here. He's got the touch and close control of those guys while being much stronger and faster than most of them.

Mcking said:

The ignorance is unreal innit?
Traore played 896 minutes in the EPL last season, attempted 81 total dribbles and failed with just 16 of them. That's 6.53 successful dribbles in a full 90-minute game with an accuracy of 80%. That were comfortably the best in the league last season. Hazard has never hit 6.53 league dribbles per 90 in his entire career. In fact, Hazard was second for dribbles in the EPL last season, and he finished with just 4.2 dribbles per 90 with 67% accuracy.
As a starter with lowly Middlesbrough in the EPL, Traore played 1537 minutes, attempted 180 dribbles and failed with just 44 of them. That's 7.96 successful dribbles per full game with a 76% accuracy. In the Championship, it stood at 9.71 successful dribbles per full game with a 78% accuracy. Those are outrageous numbers and does not even include most one-on-one situations where he just kicked and rushed past the fullback.
No matter how good you are as a fullback, Traore will get the better of you. Pound for pound, he's a better dribber than the likes of Hazard, Robben, Ribery, Ronaldo or any top player that has been posted here. He's got the touch and close control of those guys while being much stronger and faster than most of them.

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Sources please? Your sample of 900 mins is approx 9 games. Such a small sample is lime calling a super sub the best GS in the league because he came off the bench a few times and in 900 mins scored 5......

Stacks said:

Sources please?

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Whoscored and my eyes.

Mcking said:

Whoscored and my eyes.

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Stacks said:

Sources please? Your sample of 900 mins is approx 9 games. Such a small sample is lime calling a super sub the best GS in the league because he came off the bench a few times and in 900 mins scored 5......

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Mcking said:

The ignorance is unreal innit?
Traore played 896 minutes in the EPL last season, attempted 81 total dribbles and failed with just 16 of them. That's 6.53 successful dribbles in a full 90-minute game with an accuracy of 80%. That were comfortably the best in the league last season. Hazard has never hit 6.53 league dribbles per 90 in his entire career. In fact, Hazard was second for dribbles in the EPL last season, and he finished with just 4.2 dribbles per 90 with 67% accuracy.
As a starter with lowly Middlesbrough in the EPL, Traore played 1537 minutes, attempted 180 dribbles and failed with just 44 of them. That's 7.96 successful dribbles per full game with a 76% accuracy. In the Championship, it stood at 9.71 successful dribbles per full game with a 78% accuracy. Those are outrageous numbers and does not even include most one-on-one situations where he just kicked and rushed past the fullback.
No matter how good you are as a fullback, Traore will get the better of you. Pound for pound, he's a better dribber than the likes of Hazard, Robben, Ribery, Ronaldo or any top player that has been posted here. He's got the touch and close control of those guys while being much stronger and faster than most of them.

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I did some stats on it in the Sancho thread and he is the best dribbler about. He has rubbish end product in the Premier League though, did well in The Championship with Wolves.

@Stacks

I did some stat on best dribblers per 90 mins

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/jadon-sancho.445165/page-60

His stats are very fragmented because he’s a bench player so you have to do it per 90 mins to get the picture.

Stacks said:

Sources please? Your sample of 900 mins is approx 9 games. Such a small sample is lime calling a super sub the best GS in the league because he came off the bench a few times and in 900 mins scored 5......

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Goals and dribbles aren't the same. When it comes to dribbling, you can use your eyes. He started 16 EPL games for Boro not long ago, and completed even more dribbles.

Mcking said:

Goals and dribbles aren't the same. When it comes to dribbling, you can use your eyes. He started 16 EPL games for Boro not long ago, and completed even more dribbles.

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I guess so. To me he does seems kick and rush as opposed to pure dribbler

In an open game out of the total crosses attempted by the opposition he gets beaten in at least half of them.

Jose mourinho is right when he says harry maguire will have to learn to cover for him soon enough.

romufc said:

Good post. Also the fact that Traore was attacking as wing back and there was a 2 v 1 against Shaw, that is never easy.

When Traore was 1 v 1 the problem is that a player like him is hard to defend because I'm not sure he even knows what he will do with the ball which makes it that much harder.

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Thanks.

Yeah Traore is somewhat unpredictable and he did roast Shaw on 3 occasions but he does Shaw once because Shaw gets too close to him then later on another occasion Shaw adjusts, same scenario except this time Shaw has given himself more room and when Traore goes for it Shaw pretty much matches him stride for stride and forces Traore to the byline where he unfortunately still manages to get a cross in but Shaw is there with him every step of the way and almost gets the block in.

I’d say that’s a smart adjustment realising what he did wrong on the first one then changing tact for the 3rd.

Anyway should probably start preparing for the next match where undoubtedly there will probably be some issue with Shaw that is blown out of proportion. God help us if he actually does have a stinker or makes a mistake in game.