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Reading the last two pages of this thread, the India government seems almost North Korea-ish in nature.
142 in the world press freedom index. This out of 180 countries.


Modi tightens his grip on the media

With four journalists killed in connection with their work in 2020, India is one of the world’s most dangerous countries for journalists trying to do their job properly. They are exposed to every kind of attack, including police violence against reporters, ambushes by political activists, and reprisals instigated by criminal groups or corrupt local officials.

Ever since the general elections in the spring of 2019, won overwhelmingly by Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party, pressure has increased on the media to toe the Hindu nationalist government’s line. Indians who espouse Hindutva, the ideology that gave rise to radical right-wing Hindu nationalism, are trying to purge all manifestations of “anti-national” thought from the public debate.

The coordinated hate campaigns waged on social networks against journalists who dare to speak or write about subjects that annoy Hindutva followers are terrifying and include calls for the journalists concerned to be murdered.

The campaigns are particularly violent when the targets are women. Criminal prosecutions are meanwhile often used to gag journalists critical of the authorities, with some prosecutors invoking Section 124a of the penal code, under which “sedition” is punishable by life imprisonment.

In 2020, the government took advantage of the coronavirus crisis to step up its control of news coverage by prosecuting journalists providing information at variance with the official position. The situation is still very worrying in Kashmir, where reporters are often harassed by police and paramilitaries and must cope with utterly Orwellian content regulations, and where media outlets are liable to be closed, as was the case with the valley’s leading daily, the Kashmir Times.

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Indian politics reminds me of Britain. It seems no matter how corrupt or inept the ruling party is, they'll still get voted in again because the opposition is seen as even worse.
 

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They are just politicians and only interested in business and reputations. A very small minority of these leeches actually care beyond their own families and friends. They have warned people of consequences for those who dare point fingers at them or the truth.

Freedom of checks, counterbalance, truth, and openness has now been eradicated by this government. Many of these politicians share the same traits as Hitler, Mussolini, Gaddafi, and other despicable characters.

I personally know of around 40 deaths in and around the village of my birth. This is just from a population of around 5000. The death toll is totally fudged many many times over.
It’s totally indescribable Sults. India is full of the smartest people. I don’t understand how they fall for that crap. Maybe after this things will change?
 

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It’s totally indescribable Sults. India is full of the smartest people. I don’t understand how they fall for that crap. Maybe after this things will change?
Divide and conquer politics. They'll pit their vote banks against the other. It's religious minorities, different castes, different states whatever. There is so much corruption and so much incompetence that facilities and resources actually being spent on the people they're intended for becomes a rarity. Everything then becomes a race for access to these resources and your political representative promises the earth and blames everyone else when he fails to deliver. Rinse and repeat.

It's funny how that can actually apply to so many countries.
 

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It’s totally indescribable Sults. India is full of the smartest people. I don’t understand how they fall for that crap. Maybe after this things will change?
That's absolutely correct. You can tell by the posters we on the Caf who mostly do not agree with the present state of affairs.

However, to counter this there are a lot more politically uneducated, marginalised, poor and downtrodden in the society who just don't have the ability to understand the games played out by the politicians. It's very common for votes to be cast on religious affiliations. In villages, it's not uncommon for people to be told who to vote for by the village or family elders.

Like I said in my previous post come election time you can bet your life there will be stories against the so-called "anti-national" Muslims, Sikhs, Christians and a few skirmishes against Pakistan. Simply put, this propaganda wins you the election. Rinse and repeat.
 

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That's absolutely correct. You can tell by the posters we on the Caf who mostly do not agree with the present state of affairs.

However, to counter this there are a lot more politically uneducated, marginalised, poor and downtrodden in the society who just don't have the ability to understand the games played out by the politicians. It's very common for votes to be cast on religious affiliations. In villages, it's not uncommon for people to be told who to vote for by the village or family elders.

Like I said in my previous post come election time you can bet your life there will be stories against the so-called "anti-national" Muslims, Sikhs, Christians and a few skirmishes against Pakistan. Simply put, this propaganda wins you the election. Rinse and repeat.
I don't agree with how situation is currently being handled by our Government but bolded part is quite offensive to large section of our Electorate and to be honest quite elitist simply dismissing the agency of poor and uneducated by painting them as how to put it just being simple.
When truth of the matter is urban population is just as ignorant and bigoted if not more and Complicit in rise of Hate politics. . You don't get the kind of Success Current Government is getting without Pan India acceptance rural as well as Urban.

PS posters on Red Cafe can't be taken as reflection on Indian Sentiments and apart from that you can't underestimate the hypocrisy of human race either.
 

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That's absolutely correct. You can tell by the posters we on the Caf who mostly do not agree with the present state of affairs.

However, to counter this there are a lot more politically uneducated, marginalised, poor and downtrodden in the society who just don't have the ability to understand the games played out by the politicians. It's very common for votes to be cast on religious affiliations. In villages, it's not uncommon for people to be told who to vote for by the village or family elders.

Like I said in my previous post come election time you can bet your life there will be stories against the so-called "anti-national" Muslims, Sikhs, Christians and a few skirmishes against Pakistan. Simply put, this propaganda wins you the election. Rinse and repeat.
I dont completely agree with this. The posters on this forum from India are from well-off families, the privileged class and hence for most of us we don't really come across discrimination on basis of religion or caste. Add to that, most Indians who post on this thread are anti-Modi (pretty sure there'll be pro-Modi posters on this forum as well, but they just dont happen to post here)

But for most people, caste/religion matters. There is discrimination on basis of all this in most non-metropolitan cities. Hell, even in metros, people do practice some sort of 'untouchability' be it offering water to help/labor in a separate glass and so on.

But back to the point, eventually, for most people the politicians and mainstream media is the only source of news. If the PM says that we've defeated the virus, and media plays that without questioning that claim, 90% of the people will heed to that and let their guards down. If a month after this 'victory' the government endorses Kumbh Mela, no one will question that and that's what has happened here.
 

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I don't agree with how situation is currently being handled by our Government but bolded part is quite offensive to large section of our Electorate and to be honest quite elitist simply dismissing the agency of poor and uneducated by painting them as how to put it just being simple.
When truth of the matter is urban population is just as ignorant and bigoted if not more and Complicit in rise of Hate politics. . You don't get the kind of Success Current Government is getting without Pan India acceptance rural as well as Urban.

PS posters on Red Cafe can't be taken as reflection on Indian Sentiments and apart from that you can't underestimate the hypocrisy of human race either.
This is so true.
 

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It’s totally indescribable Sults. India is full of the smartest people. I don’t understand how they fall for that crap. Maybe after this things will change?
No this isn't true. Despite all the carnage going around us, the worship surrounding our supreme leader shows no signs of waning. There's a collective brainwash that's happened in the past 7 years and majority of the nation hasn't and isn't likely to wake up and see the reality.
 

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Reading the last two pages of this thread, the India government seems almost North Korea-ish in nature.
Except in our case, most people are happy to be ruled by our dear leader and will almost certainly vote him back into power in a couple of years. Over the next few weeks and months we'll be bombarded by so much propaganda that the few people who are turning against him, will go back to licking his arse.

Did you know, when a person gets vaccinated in India, he gets a certificate with Dear Leader's ugly smiling face as a memento?
 

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I don't agree with how situation is currently being handled by our Government but bolded part is quite offensive to large section of our Electorate and to be honest quite elitist simply dismissing the agency of poor and uneducated by painting them as how to put it just being simple.
When truth of the matter is urban population is just as ignorant and bigoted if not more and Complicit in rise of Hate politics. . You don't get the kind of Success Current Government is getting without Pan India acceptance rural as well as Urban.

PS posters on Red Cafe can't be taken as reflection on Indian Sentiments and apart from that you can't underestimate the hypocrisy of human race either.
Bhai, there's a misunderstanding here. I'm not talking about the present Covid situation. I'm talking about how people are duped by the media and politicians during the elections.
 

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Just called a friend in Gujarat.

Just within his neighbourhood colony of a few hundred people, he said 25 people had died over the last few days. 5 houses in within 50 meters of his house are in isolation. The banks of Narbada is being used for Antim Sanskar (The last rites for the deceased) because the regular places are too busy.

The local government has now declared a complete lockdown except for essentials.
 

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Bhai, there's a misunderstanding here. I'm not talking about the present Covid situation. I'm talking about how people are duped by the media and politicians during the elections.
Sultan Bhai I understood the point you were making but my contention is we can't keep on blaming the Media and politicians for our plight because we are willing participant in all this.

There is not much difference between rural and Urban population thinking in India when it comes to politics of rhetoric and hatred, we have all embraced it , it seems .
Illusion of Inclusive and Liberal India was a tenuous Idea at best reality had much darker undertones but now everything is out in open and it's not pretty.
 

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Sultan Bhai I understood the point you were making but my contention is we can't keep on blaming the Media and politicians for our plight because we are willing participant in all this.

There is not much difference between rural and Urban population thinking in India when it comes to politics of rhetoric and hatred, we have all embraced it , it seems .
Illusion of Inclusive and Liberal India was a tenuous Idea at best reality had much darker undertones but now everything is out in open and it's not pretty.
Yes, I absolutely agree with your sentiment. Our leaders are a reflection of the people it leads. Lets not give up on our dreams of a unified and peaceful India.
 

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If I am right more people from urban india (percentage wise) end up voting for modi compared to rural india. Its just more complex than what we are making it out to be. From my personal experience, people from rural india are quite cynical of modi government, they will vote for any government whichever is in their monetary interest. For national elections, they just think there isn't a better alternative. It might not be the case but they have limited information and obviously the current media isn't helping.
Just looking at this thread, I feel like people are far off from reality and this is when I hate the current regime.
 

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Scroll article says the man lied and his grandfather didn't need oxygen
It's police who claimed man was lying. I won't believe a word they say. In the end this is the same state which made fake cases against Dr Kafeel Khan and harassed him for raising issue about lack of oxygen cylinders few years back.
 

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Yes, I absolutely agree with your sentiment. Our leaders are a reflection of the people it leads. Lets not give up on our dreams of a unified and peaceful India.
I think we should learn lessons from our Current situation and start demanding more accountability from our Chosen representatives rather than allowing them to coast once elections are over.
I believe India is in a precarious situation where things could go either way but hopefully our collective consciousness would Reject the politics of hatred and rhetoric and Our political parties would be forced to heed the message and fall in line as well.
 

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No this isn't true. Despite all the carnage going around us, the worship surrounding our supreme leader shows no signs of waning. There's a collective brainwash that's happened in the past 7 years and majority of the nation hasn't and isn't likely to wake up and see the reality.
True. I know a lot of educated Indians and who travel a lot, whose heads are up in Modi's arse, they can't see anything else but his shite.
 

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True. I know a lot of educated Indians and who travel a lot, whose heads are up in Modi's arse, they can't see anything else but his shite.
The state of our world, and our kids' future. Trump supporters, Modi supporters, Balsonaros supporters. I was told we were entering the golden age of enlightenment through advancements in education and intellectualism. Anything but. :(
 

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The state of our world, and our kids' future. Trump supporters, Modi supporters, Balsonaros supporters. I was told we were entering the golden age of enlightenment through advancements in education and intellectualism. Anything but. :(
All these countries with populist government are doing really badly with the pandemic.
 

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It’s totally indescribable Sults. India is full of the smartest people. I don’t understand how they fall for that crap. Maybe after this things will change?
Not true at all. I personally don't think this applies even to most educated nations in the world, but India would be the bottom 50 if I had to come up with a list. Almost 90% Indians live hand to mouth with low access to quality education. They are misled by a heavily biased media and are easily swayed by jingoism, identity politics and cult worship to the point of blindness. Critics of the Government would be in a rare 1% of the population, and this 1% will not co-incide with the richest 1% either.

Given India's population, this 1% is roughly equivalent to the population of the Netherlands. But even if this number was higher, their votes would be skewed between different regional parties since for all intents and purposes there is no opposition party for central elections.
 

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It’s totally indescribable Sults. India is full of the smartest people. I don’t understand how they fall for that crap. Maybe after this things will change?
Go to any posh South Delhi locality where bigshot doctors and IITians live and you'll find all of them are card carrying members of the RSS.

The so called smart, educated and elite folks are the ones fanatically supporting this government. The problem is this country lacks empathy. The general population only care about themselves and Islamophobia. As long as Modi keeps pandering to upper caste Hindus and keeps oppressing Muslims, they'll keep voting him in. The hate for Muslims here is off the charts. Most folks are willing to sacrifice the economy and the well being of the state as long as Muslims are shown their place.

I wouldn't be so sure about change GB. Social media is awash with Modi fanatics and RSS apologists right now. The narrative has shifted towards it being the fault of the ordinary everyday folks for not taking covid seriously.
 

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Go to any posh South Delhi locality where bigshot doctors and IITians live and you'll find all of them are card carrying members of the RSS.

The so called smart, educated and elite folks are the ones fanatically supporting this government. The problem is this country lacks empathy. The general population only care about themselves and Islamophobia. As long as Modi keeps pandering to upper caste Hindus and keeps oppressing Muslims, they'll keep voting him in. The hate for Muslims here is off the charts. Most folks are willing to sacrifice the economy and the well being of the state as long as Muslims are shown their place.

I wouldn't be so sure about change GB. Social media is awash with Modi fanatics and RSS apologists right now. The narrative has shifted towards it being the fault of the ordinary everyday folks for not taking covid seriously.
Islamophobia is definitely there, but it is nowhere near the biggest problem in this country. The lack of empathy towards other humans is the biggest flaw in our populace. The video that @RedDevil@84 pasted above is the exact scenario I can sense happening in any part of the country where people would not think twice to do what is good for them irrespective of the cost that anyone else has to suffer. I think it comes from the overpopulation - we have so many people competing for so few resources that it leaves people with no other choice.
 

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I don't agree with how situation is currently being handled by our Government but bolded part is quite offensive to large section of our Electorate and to be honest quite elitist simply dismissing the agency of poor and uneducated by painting them as how to put it just being simple.
When truth of the matter is urban population is just as ignorant and bigoted if not more and Complicit in rise of Hate politics. . You don't get the kind of Success Current Government is getting without Pan India acceptance rural as well as Urban.

PS posters on Red Cafe can't be taken as reflection on Indian Sentiments and apart from that you can't underestimate the hypocrisy of human race either.
That's absolutely correct. You can tell by the posters we on the Caf who mostly do not agree with the present state of affairs.

However, to counter this there are a lot more politically uneducated, marginalised, poor and downtrodden in the society who just don't have the ability to understand the games played out by the politicians. It's very common for votes to be cast on religious affiliations. In villages, it's not uncommon for people to be told who to vote for by the village or family elders.

Like I said in my previous post come election time you can bet your life there will be stories against the so-called "anti-national" Muslims, Sikhs, Christians and a few skirmishes against Pakistan. Simply put, this propaganda wins you the election. Rinse and repeat.
Yes, while in theory it should be easier to brainwash the uneducated or less educated section of the population, what's happened in India is somewhat like the US and Trump, wherein the media is used as a tool to bring out the bigoted and trashy aspects of a society in a move to grab power by taking a stranglehold of the majority. The difference being that we have a much more popular leader, have a complete vacuum in the opposition, and hence the institutions rather than keeping the government/leader in check as was mostly the case in the US, is being used to further increase their power, oppressive tendancies and religious populism.

So of course it's Urban India that's also a part of this. Some of the rubbish I myself heard in my office (top MNC) during the CAA protests was a little pathetic tbh. But when your leading mainstream news channels are effectively propaganda machines, you can't expect anything else.