I disliked that man, but he did really make Liverpool feared in Europe. With less money to spend, and lesser players quality.
Klopp to leave Liverpool at the end of the season
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All time second, after SAF, for me.
Ranieri - same number of titles with a much more basic squad.
Agreed.
There's no need for these silly takes. We're glad he only won 1 title, but everyone knows he's light years ahead the likes of Ranieri.
This is something you'd read on RAWK if Klopp achieved what he did at United, instead of Liverpool. Let's not be like them.
There is no world where he’s a better premier league manager than wenger
The outpouring of grief is hilarious.
If he gets a second title I think you can swing arguments both ways.
I laughed so hard when I heard the sobbing
No fanbase does these moments more hysterically than Liverpool. The amount of poems that I'm sure have been written today will be in the millions.
RIP jurgen
he was a good manI just don't believe it! Power play?
Man is set for life financially and decided to live in Liverpool voluntarily. They re lucky he stayed as long as he did.
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Has Klopp even outperformed Mourinho? Come on now.
There’s people in this thread comparing him to Ferguson while cherry picking certain parts of their reigns, it’s bizarre.
He’s got Liverpool better than what they were, some seasons.
Sad watching people celebrating us being potentially the least shit team.
You can spot the mouth breathers.
You can spot the mouth breathers.
When are we going to have a public day off? my condolences
He's the only one who has interrupted Pep's dominance of the Premier League, he won the Champions League and reached the final another 2 times, he won the 2 domestic cups, he got 92, 97 and 99 points all while having the lowest net spend of any big 6 club during his reign.
It's ok to recognize that he has done an amazing job with them and is a great manager. That doesn't make you less of a United fan. Just because United on occasion finished above them while they had rebuild years doesn't take anything away from the multiple other great seasons he had.
What other managers have built sides that have won the Premier League and Champions League? It's Pep, Klopp and Sir Alex. Those are the 3 greatest managers of the premier league era for me. Wenger has longevity yes, but he didn't achieve the peak level of what Klopp did. Mourinho had a couple of great seasons, but he didn't achieve the peak level of what Klopp did.
Yes? Mourinho's biggest draw was always "95 points"... Klopp got 99 and 97 points with his sides. Klopp won the league & the Champions League, Mourinho never won the CL with an English side.
I thought you’d be better than going on about points totals
If you look at what everyone's specific biggest achievements are in the premier league era, Wenger has the invincible season, Sir Alex has 13 titles, Pep obviously has dominated since he's come in. Mourinho's was his 95 point season. He never made his team the best team in Europe. If the question is Mourinho vs Klopp, then for me I look at what they each did. Klopp winning the league after 30+ years with Liverpool, breaking Pep's dominance, and winning a CL title just surpasses anything anybody has done other than Sir Alex and Pep. You need that CL title along with the prem. Once you have it, it puts you above all those who didn't do it. The point totals are just a little plus point as well, to further put him ahead of Mourinho's biggest accomplishment in the Prem.
Nonsense. Mourinho's biggest PL achievement is his 3 titles. Points totals don't matter a fiddlers.
Mourinho never came close to a CL with Chelsea. They shouldn't even be in the same conversation.
Didn’t mourinho win back to back leagues with Chelsea, their first league wins? Against SAF too. Surely you credit him with that more than him getting 95 points. Seasons are different, points totals will always be different depending on league quality.
klopp won the league against a great city side yes. He’s also finished lower than a shit United team 4 times. Going in about points totals just seems like people are reaching
He won his only league with empty stadiums , a mid season break and a worldwide pandemic. Saying he’s ahead of Mourinho because of “coming 2nd with high points “ is laughable really
Glazer backed SAF, who replaced Ronaldo with Valencia and Owen
In 2004-06. No
Would you have Klopps best Liverpool side to beat Mourinho's best Chelsea side with Robben Drogba etc? I am not sure I would. I mean Klopps Liverpool has been -ridiculous- and it's quite embarassing how much better they've been than us at times, but I'd still have that Mourinho side to take them.
He got to three semi finals and lost two of them by the absolute slimmest margins. I think that Chelsea team would have won in 05 or 07 in the final too, Benitez was their kryptonite. They would have lost to Madrid in 2014 for sure though.
Glazers took over in 03. Still wasn't a level playing field at all as Jose took over what was basically the Man City of their times.
You was going on about Valencia and Owen mate. And I thought glazers took over in 2005 anyway
Currently I'd say they are quite even,
Arsene I think changed English football tactically more than anyone + 3 PL trophies and the Invincibles. His CL record was a bit unlucky, Lehman got sent off in the final vs Barca early on and they were also robbed vs Barca in 10/11 early in the knock outs (and we would likely have won it given they would have knocked them out).
Klopp has won both the big trophies and had to compete domestically with a country who not only have unlimited funds but have cheated to an unbelievable degree. He’s also been very influential when you look at teams in the PL now versus when he arrived and tends to develop players from being good into truly excellent cogs in his machine. He’s also had the job most similar to United in terms of fan base/media pressure albeit it’s a rung below the mad house that is United. He’s insufferable and moans about literally everything butI’d have him alongside Wenger and above Pep and Mou personally.
I don’t think anyone would argue he isn’t a great manager. And being the 6th best out of the 279 managers in history, instead of the 5/279 best is hardly a slight.
In my opinion, If he gets the premier league this year, then he goes above Mourinho, as he’d have two premier leagues and a UCL. But for the time being, I find it hard to put a manager with only 1 title above a manager with 3.
Point totals are great and all but they also are influenced by so many external factors.
I think Mourinho's biggest claim and draw is also the lowest goals conceded record which is 15 and quite incredible for the PL.
Fair enough, it’s opinions at the end of the day isn’t it. I’d say he’s comfortably behind mourinho and wenger but it doesn’t really matter does it.
So what? Same conditions for all PL teams.
We broke the record for most away wins or undefeated away games or something stupid during that period.
This Man Utd.
Good to be objective and give credit where it’s due but it really doesn’t matter. I won’t miss him, I’m just happy it’s highly unlikely they’ll get anyone close to his level for next season.