19 shots to our 4
The improvement in Arsenal tactically and in their approach/mentality was evident from the beginning with Arteta. Results were poor at times because he had a poor team/squad.
Yes. But that's the only game I can think of under SAF where you felt Utd were totally dominated and never had a chance.
Can you explain what you mean by this? What would you expect to change? Ancelotti, Deschamps, Pep, Klopp.. they aren't good because of who are behind them, although this plays a role. They are good, because they are good, consistently good managers of big, high-profile football teams. ETH needs to look at himself. He has spent this season protecting himself, everything is excusable as far as he is concerned. He loves the job but he's struggling with improving teams and managers around him.
Standards here have truly gone down the toilet this season. Never been worse.
Prove it.
That sounded unbelievable to you? Have you not been on RedCafe these last 12 months?
Agreed. We don't always lose those games but we are almost always second best in performance. We do have a few smash & grab wins but it's not what you are aiming for.
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People that support ETH only do it because they feel it's the united way. At any club with proper standards and aspirations to be successful, he'd be gone. We have been crap for so long that people have settled in and accepted it which I find incredibly sad.
Christ.
It was a good performance. Fine margins.
Seriously, some of you need a word with yourselves and stop reading into what the manager says in press conferences.
This. ETH means feck all to the club. He will be a footnote in the history of the club when he leaves/is sacked
I genuinely can't belive what I just listened to
We broke on them a couple of times in the first 30 mins, didnt make the most of our counters and proceeded to create nothing for the next hour, ultimately losing 3-1 and being toyed with like an U21s team.How many managers at Old Trafford/since Ferguson retired, have had 11 league losses, -2 goal difference and 44 points in March? Have you not seen better than this?
I don't know why you keep trying to divorce structural and managerial change.
How can our players him seriously? Imagine him giving team speeches like this. Man is deluded.
Obviously I’m not trying to say Ten Hag has anything like the credit that Sir Alex had in the bank. All I’m saying is context matters, and we were hugely hamstrung by injuries and inconsistent play in all of these seasons where it happened. You can’t ignore that on the one hand and still use it to string up Ten Hag on the other just because you don’t like him - it either matters or it doesn’t.
I’m aware. I’m just saying either injuries matter or they don’t. If not even the greatest manager of all time could stop a threadbare team from finishing bottom of a CL group with Benfica, Villarreal, and Lille should we really be surprised that Ten Hag hasn’t managed to do so with a worse squad?
I agree he's not done well. And yet when our best 11 are fit they would beat any of those other Uniteds and play nicer football doing it.How many managers at Old Trafford/since Ferguson retired, have had 11 league losses, -2 goal difference and 44 points in March? Have you not seen better than this?
I don't know why you keep trying to divorce structural and managerial change.
No, I don't think it's a random coincidence they all failed. Yes, they were all rubbish. Or at the very least not equipped/good enough to take us where we needed to go.
How is firing a manager poor decision making? Every club in the history of forever has done it. We wouldn't have had Sir Alex if we hadn't fired Atkinson. Liverpool wouldn't have had Klopp had they not fired Rodgers. Chelsea would not have won the European Cup had they not sacked AVB. I could go on and on.
That's nonsense.
Agreed, but a lot of that is down to the personnel, our forward players aren't really built for holding on to the ball, except perhaps Hojlund, we've struggled with attacking play when there isn't space to run into for a decade now.
I am sorry but this is absolutely deluded. Its not about patterns. All our previous appointments pre ETH were poor, some just a joke. The bar is set very low, and the club is dysfunctional. But ETh has been given full backing with £400m to spend and a veto if not seemingly full control over transfers in a way unprecedented at a top club. People say he was set up to fail, but he wanted transfer control, if had to accept players he probably doesnt come. He wanted Antony and all the rest. Thats one of the most concerning things. He's certainly done a great job at lowering expectations wherby some seem to treat a 3-1 loss at City with 20% possession as some form of masterclass.
We sat camped our final third like frightened kittens in that second half. We’re the only big club where it’s deemed okay to play this way.It was a good performance. Fine margins.
I dunno I think maybe he could have taken the middle ground somewhere, when Jose was brutally honest about the club and players etc everyone said he was toxic.
I think injuries are a very poor excuse for our CL exit.
Jose was just blowing things up to get a pay off, He was toxic. ETH seems utterly deluded. Its embarrassing
It's not. I'll go one better and say we looked quite competitive and well drilled with City in the first half. If Hojlund, Shaw and Martinez were fit we would have lost less badly in second half (but we would still have lost.) Our current best 11 is quite a decent team bar Casemiro when he gets tired.
