They said he's not worth more than £40m after that. And in spite of that Murtough still went in to pay 86m because Ten Hag challenged him to get reinforcements.
We wanted to sign him outright though by all accounts - we agreed to pay half his fee to make it a loan for now. Thankfully things transpired against our plans with this one.
As per The Athletic on the signing and fee for Antony...
Surely it’s both though? However you slice it, ETH clearly wanted Antony. I’d have expected any half decent coach to be able to tell that he wasn’t going to be good enough in the premier league. I can see why a new manager insisting that a player they’ve just worked with is exactly what we need would hold considerable sway.
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Maybe they had bigger fish to fry than the Europa League..
Where is the articles that show this?
You're cherry picking the article line. I said ten hag challenged the higher ups to get the deal done, and it's pretty much in sync with what you said.
Yes, I said maybe 10 times on the forum that I blame Ten Hag for Antony. But that's one deal, and it was a deal that could have been done for probably half the amount had Murtough known how to negotiate.
He wasn't quite the player he was no but considering where he was in his prime he was still a boody good player. Valencia played 44 games that year and we also had Young and Nani to be fair.
Good for you. I'm responding to what you posted; not really bothered with checking what you may or may not have posted previously with regard to this.
That’s like saying Pep should have won the prem in his first season without replacing any players, otherwise he’s no good..
You're just describing the situation whenever a new manager joins any club. Managers don't get to clear out the full playing staff nor should they.
But my post was about Amrabat. Had feck all to do with Antony?!
Amrabat on a loan market. He also signed Licha so who knows.
One decent signing does't excuse the abomination that is his general talent ID, man manahment, in game managment and decisions and his playing "style"
Sorry, are we mixing recruitment with coaching?
Rooney would have been gone in the summer of 2013 had Fergie not been retiring, but not because he was on his last legs.
I'd love to spend nearly half a billion and say I haven't been supported, sounds like ten hag fanboys clutching at anything they can. Classic modern day fans support managers over what is best for the club.
Okay so you want to have a whinge without actually considering what's going on. You do you.
Yeah imagine the day a new manager comes in at a new club at this level and is allowed to clear out the entire playing squad
This is the biggest question mark for me as well.
If you've got a squad of players who are, by and large, not of the quality to compete at the very top of the league, then the only way for any manager to realistically achieve the ambition of competing at the top of the league is to replace the vast majority of them.Yeah imagine the day a new manager comes in at a new club at this level and is allowed to clear out the entire playing squad
This isn’t League one or two where players are on one year deals and 1k a week.
You’re wasting your breathe though with that poster, whose genuinely one of the worse on here.
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I applaud your commitment but you’d have better joy pissing against a hurricane wind then getting some posters to understand “that particular thing you are really angry about is more a club thing then a manager thing”.
I think you point towards an answer there: The tactics employed last year have not been abandoned, but simply do not look the same when players cannot implement them due to incoherent team sheets.
He's right though. We really don't owe him anything at the club. Honestly for all the talk about structure supporting the manager, I think our failure in this club has been our lack of ruthlessness at the executive level. The structure so many people are pleased about, will make us more effective and efficient in the transfer market. However, the real selling point is that it protects the club from our poor managers. INEOS coming in with new staff members at the executive and football operations level, supports the club, not the manager.
Yeah I feel there is little point now. People are just too angry and not looking at where the root of the problems are.
I'm responsible strictly for what I say. Not your straw man interpretation of it..
No serious club operates that way at the start of implementing a new footballing direction.
of course it can't because it's an incohherent straw man of the point I attempted to make in my earlier post.
And now time for some objectivity. 7-0 Liverpool, 6-3 City. League cup run was piss easy. We won most games by a single goal, we scored the least amount of goals in the top 6 (58, ten less than Newcastle, 14 less than Brighton). It honestly felt like we won most games purely on heart and a united dressing room. Dalot was wildly celebrating corners, Varane screaming Vamos in De Gea's face after a save.
That's rich from one of those on here who literally puts legendary into the term terrible poster.Yeah imagine the day a new manager comes in at a new club at this level and is allowed to clear out the entire playing squad
This isn’t League one or two where players are on one year deals and 1k a week.
You’re wasting your breathe though with that poster, whose genuinely one of the worse on here.
We have to consider the possibility that all of ETH's success last season was just luck.
Decisions are precisely what we should be scrutinising, and paint a far more damning picture of his abilities to manage us than his involvement in transfers, which is what loads in here keep banging on about.
Yes, I'm sure that a quality tactician with a first team featuring the likes of Weghorst, McTominay, Fred, Sancho, Wan Bissaka, etc. as regulars would have swept aside all before them. Deary me.
It’s actually been the EXACT same thing since Moyes. Problem is the manager. Problem is the manager. Problem is the manager. Problem is the manager.
Ole finished 3rd and 2nd with most of that squad, isn't beyond the stretches of imagination that a better manager could do better with our resources.
I don't think it's like saying that, no. It is more about looking at the bigger picture.
Ole did a good job getting that set of players to 2nd in the league. Ten Hag did a good job last season. Downplaying the jobs they did in those seasons is ridiculous to me.
Well I wasn't trying to downplay either, just pointing out that we were xpecting an elite coach to take us to the next level. And we all thought at the time Ten Hag was that coach. Klopp/Pep might not have us winning the league with this squad but I would expect at the ver least to be in the spot as Villa and Spurs right now.
If Klopp or Guardiola had this level of injuries with this squad, they'd be in a similar position
I think he did well last season. We are nowhere near good enough this season, but there is context around that.
