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Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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It probably makes sense from a big picture and long term perspective. And will save money that way too.
Whether we agree with it or not is a different matter.
I refuse to think ETH is telling McTominay to be braindead or Dalot to let his man get past him. Our players have no game management in them, you can't really coach that.
But he cant be bothered to break out of a slow jog to help out his team mates, after coming on as a sub, while 3-2 up with 20 minutes left.
This sort of sensationalist spin is absurd
You think the Glazers are responsible for the gap between last season and this season? The answer is staring us in the face but some people will look for any excuse to ignore it
Rashford had an outlier year, while Eriksen and Casemiro clearly dropped fitness/physical levels, and we had a bunch of injuries - that’s it. The starting 3 of Case, Eriksen, and Bruno were undefeated almost all last season. What do the Glazers have to do with those specific changes?
And to be clear, the players weren’t good enough last season either - we scored 58 in the league and our GD and standard of play was clearly worse than Newcastle and Pool (especially after Jan) but the points total didn’t show it
Plenty of things to appropriate blame on the Glazer’s, but the drop-off from last season to this isn’t one of them
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I didn't want Ineos but I seriously doubt they're dumb enough to believe that keeping this fraud is an idea that should even be entertained.
This is surely just the classic vote of confidence. The trigger will be pulled sooner rather than later. Right? Right?
This is surely just the classic vote of confidence. The trigger will be pulled sooner rather than later. Right? Right?
I'm Ten Hag in but he's finished. Devastating.
It's a bit of a damned if he does damned if he doesn't scenario.
He did criticise Rashford and Bruno within that rant regarding ETH's with them.Can't argue with that! but again we are putting all the blame on the manager and letting the players, board and owners off completely free.
Get a new manager in and give all the players a clean slate! that's sounds familiar
If you can't replace a manager because the structure isn't in place, does that also apply to transfers? Even more costly, usually sticking around for a longer time etc.
How does the manager have any support after watching the whole season baffles me. The team has shown no improvement and his tactics are too chaotic and gives us no control in the game.
We know who our targets are going to be though, ten Hag will have that figured out.
These stats are genuinely utter madness.
The way some folks are doubling down on keeping ETH so they could turn back and tell us that " I told you it was the players" because the chances we will still be shit next season with a new manager is high.
It doesn't matter if we are still poor next season, the fact is he has done a poor job this season and needs to go
It doesn't matter if we are still poor next season, the fact is he has done a poor job this season and needs to go
They still think it’s not the manager/coaching too. As if fecking Sheffield has a better squd
This is the big elephant in the room here. I’m on-the-fence with ETH - I think there are huge mitigations for this season and he hasn’t become shit overnight - but then performances like Brentford are unacceptable even with those mitigations. Ultimately if he is sacked I don’t think anyone can complain and I’ll move on quite quickly. However, ETH staying or going is irrelevant to the bigger issue which is recruitment. Who is currently deciding our targets for this off-season, who decides who is leaving and who is ensuring those things happen? Because to my untrained eye we’re in April and nobody besides a cyclist at the club seems to be in charge of making decisions.
If the players turned up at training everyday and just done five a sides etc with no coaching input could they look any less disjointed as a team as they do now?
Yes I like the guy but still desperate for him to be sacked,well done that caller on Talksport for saying most things that everyone else is thinking
Every player in the squad will tell you in interviews and social media posts they want to win trophies and play in the CL. But I wonder how many of them actually believe they are good enough to do it as they rarely show it on the pitch.
I hope EtH is just desperately trying to avoid the next Ronaldo/Sancho saga with Rashford.
Because if we are setting up a structure to make these massive calls, you want everyone to be aligned. Being aligned doesn't mean making expensive gambles without the people who have been hired to make the calls being able to actually make them. That's just going the Glazers route of throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks, not knowing if they have the same vision as Ashworth and Wilcox, etc.
When you're setting up a structure like we need to do, you set it up from the top down and make sure everyone is aligned to go in the same direction. If that means waiting it out a year and doing "safer" moves ... So be it.
Rashford has got Erik wrapped around his little finger,before people come at me with him benched last night,just remember he was the first attacking player he brought on.
The big games suit us in general as it allows us to shell up and play on the counter. The only caveat is that we don't go too far behind our we get decimated. But against weaker teams, who adopt those tactics themselves and ask us the question of what we've got, is where it becomes clear we don't have much of a plan.
The process we should follow is - we hired Ashworth and Wilcox to be our director of football and technical director. They are going to be leading all football changes including coaching staff, player recruitment, manager recruitment. And the goal is to have everyone aligned. They are literally the main people in the search for a new manager. They don't start this summer, they start next year.
Making an appointment without them leading the process is a huge gamble, and an expensive gamble. The smarter thing to do is just delay things a bit while you continue setting up the structure above. You want your manager to work seamlessly within the structure, and if you make the expensive moving of sacking Ten Hag and hiring a new guy without their lead, then it's just a huge risk that could well delay things further
Yeah keep those targets for his next clubWe know who our targets are going to be though, ten Hag will have that figured out.
The grey area is that we can easily be talking to these guys on the phone, and probably have been for months now. If they ask us to get a certain manager in place then, is that an issue?
Yeah I never saw last night as Rashford being dropped...rested for Liverpool more like.
It sends out the message that we are going to be patient and make the right moves rather than be pressured into panic decisions while we again try to sprint for instant success rather than following the smart process and understanding what the best route is.
Rashford, Bruno and Garnacho are key to his tactics. We'd look worse without Bruno, yet everyone wants him dropped and doesn't realise this. He's the brains of the team, not Ten Hag. It's literally 'give the ball to Bruno. Bruno, you create to the best of your abilities, don't worry if you lose the ball'.
Yeah pisses me off so much our hands are tied for getting these big earners and wasters in Rashford's case off the books this summer
Well yeah that's the grey area. None of us know what these non compete clauses are like. It's definitely not ideal as they might be able to just give a name on a whim, but they aren't part of the discussions when they should be the ones leading the discussions.
Can Ten Hag be blamed for the goal conceded v Brentford plus the 2 late goals late night ?
Don’t get me wrong I want him sacked but some of our players are bottlers to be honest. It’s happened a lot this season where we score and we automatically give up a chance immediately after kick off . We’ve been made to pay a few times but we’ve been left off the hook more often than not .
Don’t get me wrong I want him sacked but some of our players are bottlers to be honest. It’s happened a lot this season where we score and we automatically give up a chance immediately after kick off . We’ve been made to pay a few times but we’ve been left off the hook more often than not .
His eyes are painted on
They both can be sold for me this summer and yes I realise that leaves us without a captain
Win trophies, but not the Champions League just a Champions League spot
To me a team is a reflection of their manager. Liverpool is Klopps team, City is Pep's team, Arsenal is Arteta's team. United were SAF's team. If we are insipid, devoid of personality and tactically inept then yes we are definitely ETH's team.
Oh yeah they have very little bottle at pressure times
Fighting for CL didn't quite work out.Win trophies, but not the Champions League just a Champions League spot
Jesus the Rashford thing is him just being political.
But we can do this and still clearly let go a manager who is offering a net negative to the club.
If you think we need to wait until every piece of the puzzle is perfectly aligned in terms of back room senior staff, why don’t we sack the underperforming manager and sign a very clearly illustrated interim manager to take charge until Wilcox and Ashworth are in place to make the decisions you want them to make?
I just don’t get why in your hypothetical perfect process, ten Hag still walks around scot free doing absolutely nothing of value.