Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

Would you allow ETH to manage the cup final before parting ways?

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Me personally? No, I don't think the way we're setting up is adding enough net benefit in any sense to justify allowing every team free reign on our goal.

But the root of the problem is clearly the gaps in midfield, which are caused by us playing a deep defensive line and a man to man midfield system which leaves so much open space. What if we had the pace in our back line to play high? What if our FB's were able to push up on the press and cut off the easy out every team has against us?

We can clearly see the problems with how we currently play. I refuse to believe EtH can't.
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But we don’t, so even if that’s the case, why persist with a system that we don’t have the right personnel for? Why persist with something that leaves us brutally exposed every single game, conceding the same sort of goals over and over?

I don’t buy this idea that sticking with the same demonstrably ineffective tactics is somehow going to magically lead to success if we just let him keep doing it for long enough, maybe with a few different players. I’ve seen nothing to suggest that he’s pragmatic enough to adjust his set up to make the most of the players he has. And if he’s going to keep doing the same thing whilst expecting different results then it’s time to go.
 

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miliebrowndivorceattorney said:
Wich, in our current state and injury list, would be normal against high flying, for Premier League title fighting LFC.



So at half time the in game management ''clueless'' Ten Hag made some changes that not only got us a draw but even ahead, winning against said PL title fighting club.



When most of the criticism before this game against Ten Hag management, is that he doesn't know how to play defensively, that he is too much going forward.

But now that he does at the end of the game, exposes the complete lack of any backbone, depth to do play such a game, it is still not good enough and, in fact, he get's criticised again.



Resultswise we should have been blown off the planet. A big loss. We didn't. We have a 3rd or 4th choice CB pairing doing the work with an 18 y old and Casemiro as the only midfield we have. 2 - 2 for us, is a good result.

Personally I couldn't care less about the number of shots against. It can be 8000 for all I care. It just goes to show bad as we are, we also make the opposition somehow lose aim.
At the moment it's a numbers gaime, point by point we need to find our way and keep P6. But the almost hate like wave of emotions on our manager, the constantly digging for new meaningless pounts to cry about it just drags the quality of this thread down a lot. You don't like ETH, we get it. Please go to the who replaces ETH thread or something. Many here are trying to be constructive.
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The 2-2 as a result in isolation, considering where the 2 teams are is a decent / good result.
However, the criticism doesn’t just come from the 2-2. It comes from watching the 30 previous league games and the disastrous champions league campaign, and seeing and knowing that we have no ability to control any football match, irrespective of the opposition. The criticism comes from seeing the same mistakes repeated again and again, which were again repeated in the game against Liverpool, and losing all hope that the guy in charge has either the ability or the intention to change that.
The fact that you want to sidestep this whole issue by focusing just on the 2-2 result, shows how disingenuous you are being while discussing EtH’s performance (and this is what the thread is for, not for blindly praising a guy for failing his job).
 

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If we give managers endless benefit of doubt and I assume that each failure is part of the plan and represents growing pains, then it was very harsh from us to fire any of the preceding coaches and in particular Moyes who was allowed just 10 months and was trying to rebuild the whole coaching staff, had some players to replace which he didn’t get to do etc… also this approach is kind of working under assumption that the coach is the most important person at the club, essentially more important than the club itself.
 

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So why then do you believe that this is what the plan is/or what he instructs these guys to do? You’ve seen how different things are when we have the back 4 that can play on the front foot.
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They aren’t though? Even with our full back 4 we were conceding 20+ shots a game this season. It’s all by design.
 

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0,7 xg vs 3,6 xGA, game finishing 2-2 :lol:
ETH is one lucky man. On the flip side, he was equally unlucky last season when we lost 7-0.
 

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One area I think people are missing with Ten Haag is assuming he actually knows how to implement what he's planning to do. I genuinely think we're struggling because he doesn't have a clue on how to implement the high counter press strategy in England. He doesn't know the pressing mechanics that would work and is struggling heavily with the width and defensive line required. He's then trying to add all this with inverted fluid full backs, which creates more of mess and more gaps. I honestly believe he's lost and people think he knows more than he does due to his play at Ajax. Our players reputations are suffering as a result of his genuine incompetence in trying to play this way in England.
 

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miliebrowndivorceattorney said:
I didn't say anything about a tactical master. I said Ten Hag made a switch to defensive play when a lot here are saying he is not capable of changing tactics. That he is stubborn, that he has bad in game tactics. That, too, is something today he displayed, is not true.

Many would argue it was Ten Hag that changed the approach for the second half and even with this bad 3rd rate CB pair and woefully understafed positions, not only did we get a draw, we also got ahead. We had 6 attempts off target and 5 on target. For comparisment, the majestic, fantastic LFC had 6 attempts on target.

My main gripe here is that the criticism on Ten Hag is starting to make less and less sense. A 2 - 2 result vs LFC, going 1 down and being 2 - 1 up at some time, is simply good, period.
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Don't judge a manager on results, judge him on performance. A 2-2 draw at home to a title chasing Liverpool is a perfectly acceptable result. But we were incredibly lucky.

Without a huge mistake from Liverpool we don't get back into the game. Without a plethora of missed chances and opportunities from Liverpool we wouldn't of been in the game at half time.

Liverpool should of won handsomely much like Brentford last week we got incredibly lucky.

The performance was bad, and it's strange because most of the players played quite well individually but they were horribly let down by the tactics and shape. You wouldn't accept that level of mis management at any level of football.

ETH is the luckiest manager I have ever seen.
 

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Abhinav said:
The 2-2 as a result in isolation, considering where the 2 teams are is a decent / good result.
However, the criticism doesn’t just come from the 2-2. It comes from watching the 30 previous league games and the disastrous champions league campaign, and seeing and knowing that we have no ability to control any football match, irrespective of the opposition. The criticism comes from seeing the same mistakes repeated again and again, which were again repeated in the game against Liverpool, and losing all hope that the guy in charge has either the ability or the intention to change that.
The fact that you want to sidestep this whole issue by focusing just on the 2-2 result, shows how disingenuous you are being while discussing EtH’s performance (and this is what the thread is for, not for blindly praising a guy for failing his job).
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But you do the same as others: the criticism is so vague, not correct and if you do debunk it, you come up with something new.

For instance, there is no ability to control any game you say. What control do you mean? To see out a game? Several times Ten Hag asked and acted to get control of a game. The players available have evidently let him down.

To do it minute 1 till 90 minute? I have news for you: even LFC didn't control that kind of game.

Control of defense? Many shots against? That is not due Ten Hag but a product of individual errors and again, no quality. Besides the stats shows we have a low goal against production, so even with 8000 shots against that doesn't mean anything.

Manchester United wanted to enter the 21st century and play high press game. We hired Rangnick and then Ten Hag for that task. The problem is that Rangnick and Ten Hag do not have the players to play high press. They are also not good enough play anything else; park the bus went disastrous vs City and Brentford. I also see a lot of other traits that you can argue there is control of the game, control of the midfield. The inverted backs, DMs wingers and Bruno attack in sheer numbers the midfield of opposition, create a high turn over and supply a kind of attack that makes come back goals possible.

Maybe you like to go back to 20th century football and maybe thats why INEOS, catering for the CFA, is trying out Sam Allardyce and Southgate.

Me I'm happy with Ten Hag. More than happy with the result against LFC given the unbelievable huge numbers - much more than other top 6 teams as per @BenitoSTARR thread - of injured players. Each game you see Ten Hag try different methodes to get hold of a winning situation. A situation you would never have with a 20th century coach. We need a few more players to make the Ten hag system perform more consistently but if you hire this man's craft, you have to give him the tools. Not McTominay, Lindeloff and an injured whole season left back with no back up. No back u for Bruno or Casemiro. Or mainoo, who is 18.


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Don't judge a manager on results, judge him on performance.
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..? Eh? Then why hire Moyes? Jose Mourinho? Why is Tuchel or Nagelsmann getting sacked? I promise you that is because of the lack of results. Results should always be the number one grade on wich to judge any sports entity whether being coach or player or club in general. Ten Hag wil be sacked tomorrow if he has a run of 3 losses, games where no chance of any come back occured. As it is he lost from winning position against Chelsea, and was in winning position vs LFC with 3rd and 4th choice CBs.. believe me, that impresses INEOS.

Manchester United wants to enter the 21st century, needs a huge overhaul of the squad with backing of manager for their number one targets - wich often did not happen. Weghorst is not a first choice striker for any PL team. There you go.
 
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miliebrowndivorceattorney said:
I didn't say anything about a tactical master. I said Ten Hag made a switch to defensive play when a lot here are saying he is not capable of changing tactics. That he is stubborn, that he has bad in game tactics. That, too, is something today he displayed, is not true.

Many would argue it was Ten Hag that changed the approach for the second half and even with this bad 3rd rate CB pair and woefully understafed positions, not only did we get a draw, we also got ahead. We had 6 attempts off target and 5 on target. For comparisment, the majestic, fantastic LFC had 6 attempts on target.

My main gripe here is that the criticism on Ten Hag is starting to make less and less sense. A 2 - 2 result vs LFC, going 1 down and being 2 - 1 up at some time, is simply good, period.
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3rd rate CB pair? I would argue that to his immense credit Maguire has been one of our best defenders this season, and Kambwala has been impressive every time he plays, which makes me want to understand why given our so called defensive crisis we have not seen him play more
For instance, there is no ability to control any game you say. What control do you mean? To see out a game? Several times Ten Hag asked and acted to get control of a game. The players available have evidently let him down.
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This is precisely the issue, if the players let the manager down, match after match then it is on the manager not the players! you cannot keep blaming the players for not doing what the manager wants, he has to have control, he has to coach them better, set them up better, and ultimately bench players like Bruno if they cannot follow instructions


I hate stats, and 1st half TBH all game I thought we were more dangerous in attack than the lack of shots indicated, however the result covered up yet again how many shots we allowed, and how open we are to cut backs, I think any manager worth his salt could set up to completely nullify and expose us

We are just a bad team right now, individual brilliance is getting us goals and the odd sweet attacking movement, but beyond that the midfield and defence coaching is a joke exposing Onana time and time again

Anyone saying they are happy with Ten Hag is just on a WUM or has never watched football before, I mean each to their own but seriously if you think ETH is the future of this club then get ready for mid table at best for many seasons to come.... and the excuses people constantly make for the guy, geez I am not sure what he would have to do to draw criticism from some of the "fanbase", but literally it seems nothing is his fault, not sure what ETH is actually responsible for it would seem nothing according to some
 
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Vidooq said:
You surely don't think that Bruno's goal was some tactical master switch from Eric during halftime talk?

The Bruno goal changed the complexion of the game in our favor, and it had nothing to do with the coach.
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Yes, Bruno’s goal came from correct front pressing structure forcing Quansah to make a pass inside to his other CB from his weaker foot. The shot was great but the chance was created by our structure.


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miliebrowndivorceattorney said:
I didn't say anything about a tactical master. I said Ten Hag made a switch to defensive play when a lot here are saying he is not capable of changing tactics. That he is stubborn, that he has bad in game tactics. That, too, is something today he displayed, is not true.

Many would argue it was Ten Hag that changed the approach for the second half and even with this bad 3rd rate CB pair and woefully understafed positions, not only did we get a draw, we also got ahead. We had 6 attempts off target and 5 on target. For comparisment, the majestic, fantastic LFC had 6 attempts on target.

My main gripe here is that the criticism on Ten Hag is starting to make less and less sense. A 2 - 2 result vs LFC, going 1 down and being 2 - 1 up at some time, is simply good, period.
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That's all a bit disingenous though. Liverpool had about 28 shots, and missed the target with chances that they should really have scored a number of times.
 

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BenitoSTARR said:
Yes, Bruno’s goal came from correct front pressing structure forcing Quansah to make a pass inside to his other CB from his weaker foot. The shot was great but the chance was created by our structure.


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There's no way you can class that as our press forcing the mistake, Quansah was on easy street and Bruno was practically jogging when a gift landed at his feet. Quansah just badly misplaced his pass. Statistically yes it will go down as an interception, but everybody knows he should have easily made the pass and there was no danger in the pass if he made it correctly. It was simply a mistake and a gift, much like the Caicedo one vs Chelsea.
 

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What are the positives to take out of the last three games? 7 points dropped from winning positions in the last 10 minutes, so we could be looking at a very different position in the table. Some of that EtH isn't to blame, but how he structures us will never not be bizzare to me.

We are scoring goals again, but it seems like to do one thing well, we must sacrifice another part of our game.

I actually get Biesla vibes when I watch us, with the man to man set up and helter-skelter football. You need to have truly elite players in key positions to make this set up work.
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Bielsa teams regularly dominate the ball and outshoot the opposition. Regardless of player personnel.

ETHs Man Utd don’t do any of this.
 

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There's no way you can class that as our press forcing the mistake, Quansah was on easy street and Bruno was practically jogging when a gift landed at his feet. Quansah just badly misplaced his pass. Statistically yes it will go down as an interception, but everybody knows he should have easily made the pass and there was no danger in the pass if he made it correctly. It was simply a mistake and a gift, much like the Caicedo one vs Chelsea.
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I’ve literally shown you the structure step by step as to how our strikers, midfield and defence were set up to make Quansah’s only option Van Dijk or Kelleher.

You are refusing to see what is right in front of you or don’t understand pressing structures.

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxmumVVgH8Fz9VBc8gm6NJRGwWKrIAhUgk?si=ZUhmHCBtYRVdlxGi
 

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There's a lot of reasonable criticism of Ten Hag but I find the whole 'xPts' thing a bit questionable.

Looking at Understat, United are 12 points ahead of their xPts.

But then West Ham are 11 points ahead, Villa are 10 points ahead, Spurs are 12 points ahead, and Liverpool are 8 points ahead. Arsenal and City are also ahead of their xPts (by a smaller amount, 3-5). Basically everyone in the top 7 is running ahead of xPts... perhaps because xPts isn't a very good metric and doesn't correctly track actual points.
 

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Can’t believe that there is still support for this guy, do people really even watch the games or not ?
 

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Serious lack of options out there has me feeling like erik might still be here at start of next season. They might give them another go with a proper structure above him. Either way the proper structure needs a defensive midfielder that can get around the park and leave mainoo do his thing.
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Keep seeing this, are there less coaches working in world football than there were 12 months or 24 months ago?
 

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I didn't realise how bad your underlying stats are. Like, really really bad. :eek:
 

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To me what’s even worse than his tactics & our performances is his total lack of accountability. I hate that not once does he come out and say things that would make me appreciate that he understands where we are currently. If you just heard his interviews and didn’t watch the games you would think that we are playing great and just been unlucky. Biggest fraud we have had and there is no way he should get to destroy another season
 

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Slows down evolution, jesus christ. What freaking evolution are some of you seeing exactly?
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We are evolving though, we're evolving from a decent counter attacking team capable of regularly finishing in or around the top 4. To a shit team with no discernable style of play that's incapable of finishing anywhere near the top 5.
 

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A long time since I’ve see a team so fundamentally disorganised.

Do they work on shape or roles / responsibilities at all or not bother at all?

United problems do deeper than the manager, some questionable characters in that dressing room also.

Personally, I’d go for Eddie Howe
 

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M16Red said:
Your completely missing the point, so far you've back out of naming your team and just blah blahing, all I've said is it takes balls to not change.

We've needed to change from a counter attacking team, go and watch Ole on the overlap he actually speaks about it.

People don't just build air conditioner just in hot countries..
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But when the thing you refuse to change is negatively affecting results and will probably cost you your job that's not being brave. It's a mixture of stubborness and/or stupidity.
 

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Iker Quesadillas said:
There's a lot of reasonable criticism of Ten Hag but I find the whole 'xPts' thing a bit questionable.

Looking at Understat, United are 12 points ahead of their xPts.

But then West Ham are 11 points ahead, Villa are 10 points ahead, Spurs are 12 points ahead, and Liverpool are 8 points ahead. Arsenal and City are also ahead of their xPts (by a smaller amount, 3-5). Basically everyone in the top 7 is running ahead of xPts... perhaps because xPts isn't a very good metric and doesn't correctly track actual points.
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It’s just another piece of data, it’s not gospel. It’s just yet another underlying statistic that illustrates the same when you watch with your eyes - we play like a team far worse than a team in sixth.

Our expected goals for, our expected goals against, our actual goals for, our actual goals against. Our shots against teams, our shots conceded. Our average possession. Basically all of the underlying statistics are really bad.
 

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First off. Sorry for the typing I've been drinking all day and about to go to bed.

All im trying to say is the manager hasn't changed his playing style all season, it's like he is saying to the players "You play for Man Utd" you should be able to play this way.

As a fan, I hate the counter attacking way. My favourite way of playing was 1994/5. The fact is tomorrow, fans will all say its chaos football and not understand why, but I can see why.

It's on purpose, he is forcing it. Balls out football.
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That would suggest we're a swashbuckling attacking side that cares little about defending and are very entertaining to watch. Yeah we don't seem to care about defending but we're crap at attacking as well.
 

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Redcafe faithful under Ole: This pathetic, counter-attacking football is below Manchester United. We need a modern, pressing-coach that moves us forward tactically, even if it means some pain in the short-term.
Redcafe faithful under ETH: I'm not willing to undergo any pain. I'd take literally anyone over this fraud.

I maintain (and think that INEOS will likely concur) that ETH gets til Christmas. See what his team looks like with something resembling 4 defenders playing in their actual positions, with a midfielder in front of them who hasn't inexplicably retired mid-season. ETH is in survival mode, he has judged that chaos-ball is the only way to use this depleted squad to make it to June, and I think he's right. This fanbase is something else, spend thread upon thread criticising each individual player for not being good enough, and then hop in here to bemoan a manger not doing better with them. Which is it? You fight with the army you have, not the one you want.
 

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Redcafe faithful under Ole: This pathetic, counter-attacking football is below Manchester United. We need a modern, pressing-coach that moves us forward tactically, even if it means some pain in the short-term.
Redcafe faithful under ETH: I'm not willing to undergo any pain. I'd take literally anyone over this fraud.

I maintain (and think that INEOS will likely concur) that ETH gets til Christmas. See what his team looks like with something resembling 4 defenders playing in their actual positions, with a midfielder in front of them who hasn't inexplicably retired mid-season. ETH is in survival mode, he has judged that chaos-ball is the only way to use this depleted squad to make it to June, and I think he's right. This fanbase is something else, spend thread upon thread criticising each individual player for not being good enough, and then hop in here to bemoan a manger not doing better with them. Which is it? You fight with the army you have, not the one you want.
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Ah right, he's forced to play this way because of a depleted squad. Only having the likes of Casemiro, Mainoo, Bruno and Mount to choose from explains why we're setup in a way that makes it look like we have no midfield.
 

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Beachryan said:
Redcafe faithful under Ole: This pathetic, counter-attacking football is below Manchester United. We need a modern, pressing-coach that moves us forward tactically, even if it means some pain in the short-term.
Redcafe faithful under ETH: I'm not willing to undergo any pain. I'd take literally anyone over this fraud.

I maintain (and think that INEOS will likely concur) that ETH gets til Christmas. See what his team looks like with something resembling 4 defenders playing in their actual positions, with a midfielder in front of them who hasn't inexplicably retired mid-season. ETH is in survival mode, he has judged that chaos-ball is the only way to use this depleted squad to make it to June, and I think he's right. This fanbase is something else, spend thread upon thread criticising each individual player for not being good enough, and then hop in here to bemoan a manger not doing better with them. Which is it? You fight with the army you have, not the one you want.
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Could not have put it better myself. Give ETH another season with a sturcture in place and players that are fit for at least half the season.
 

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I want to back him as I think the players are the bigger problem and getting a new manager gives them all a "fifteenth chance".

Where I struggle is his refusal to drop players that clearly aren't performing such as Rashford & Bruno, if we didn't have replacements fine but Mount & Amad have both looked good whenever they have come on.
 

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Iker Quesadillas said:
There's a lot of reasonable criticism of Ten Hag but I find the whole 'xPts' thing a bit questionable.

Looking at Understat, United are 12 points ahead of their xPts.

But then West Ham are 11 points ahead, Villa are 10 points ahead, Spurs are 12 points ahead, and Liverpool are 8 points ahead. Arsenal and City are also ahead of their xPts (by a smaller amount, 3-5). Basically everyone in the top 7 is running ahead of xPts... perhaps because xPts isn't a very good metric and doesn't correctly track actual points.
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The whole expected stats thing is BS, these were metrics used by people playing fantasy football or betting which have made their way into the main game...

Expected goals for instance is actually interesting if looking at an individual player, say comparing striker conversation rate based on the quality of chances, which is subjective, it does not take into account footedness or individual niches.... for instance a free header from 4 yards would rate more highly than a shot from outside of the box through 5 players and a goalkeeper with an unobscured view, would make sense, but if it was Paul Scholes with the chance it should invert the ratings, but it don't, likewise Antony shooting right footed rates the same as left footed

For a team it loses focus and is far less indicative

All of these stats are based on thousands of data points, building up a probability map, which if you are looking over a long time will prove relatively accurate, however an individual match (or even season) the stats are pretty meaningless, in addition changes do not immediately reset the stats, so there will always be a hangover, for instance if Hoijlund moved to Arsenal it would completely change his stats but he would still be measured based on his stats to date

As with any stat the devil is in the detail and is easily manipulated by people to demonstrate what they want to, expected stats should be kept to betting and FF, beyond that they are shite
 

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It is just really, really rubbish tactical coaching, that is where the chaos comes from.
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This is from the overlap;

Ole -
“At Manchester United you have a responsibility as well for the fans to enjoy the game. Don’t just go and get a result.’

He added: “That’s exactly what I was thinking [to take the next step and be the dominant team].

“I can’t be, because there’s a chance you’re going to lose anyway, those two Liverpool and [Manchester] City – two of the best teams in the world in the last four or five years. Absolutely top teams. There’s a chance you’re going to lose anyway – if you lose without having a go, it’s like, ‘What’s the point?’”

All im trying to say is that EtH is fecking nuts, he's not gone defensive he's gone the opposite way. 6 attackers, that game yesterday even Casemiro was in attack.

in no way do we have the players to play possession based football, I'm not sure if we even have them to play that type of football with a whole squad.

But this guy is like we’re a good team eh and pundits will say 29 shots faced, I don't even remember him bringing up the crap refereeing - not once? Zero blame or excuses.

It's nuts, and it drives me nuts watching it.
 

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3rd rate CB pair? I would argue that to his immense credit Maguire has been one of our best defenders this season, and Kambwala has been impressive every time he plays, which makes me want to understand why given our so called defensive crisis we have not seen him play more


This is precisely the issue, if the players let the manager down, match after match then it is on the manager not the players! you cannot keep blaming the players for not doing what the manager wants, he has to have control, he has to coach them better, set them up better, and ultimately bench players like Bruno if they cannot follow instructions


I hate stats, and 1st half TBH all game I thought we were more dangerous in attack than the lack of shots indicated, however the result covered up yet again how many shots we allowed, and how open we are to cut backs, I think any manager worth his salt could set up to completely nullify and expose us

We are just a bad team right now, individual brilliance is getting us goals and the odd sweet attacking movement, but beyond that the midfield and defence coaching is a joke exposing Onana time and time again

Anyone saying they are happy with Ten Hag is just on a WUM or has never watched football before, I mean each to their own but seriously if you think ETH is the future of this club then get ready for mid table at best for many seasons to come.... and the excuses people constantly make for the guy, geez I am not sure what he would have to do to draw criticism from some of the "fanbase", but literally it seems nothing is his fault, not sure what ETH is actually responsible for it would seem nothing according to some
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People are entitled to their view and just because you don't agree with their viewpoint, it doesn't make them a 'WUM'.
 

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I do wonder how well we'd play his approach with CBs that could play further up the pitch and and faster defensive CDM in for Casemiro. I'm not sure I'm curious enough to see another season of this though.
 

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miliebrowndivorceattorney said:
Personally I couldn't care less about the number of shots against. It can be 8000 for all I care. It just goes to show bad as we are, we also make the opposition somehow lose aim.
At the moment it's a numbers gaime, point by point we need to find our way and keep P6. But the almost hate like wave of emotions on our manager, the constantly digging for new meaningless pounts to cry about it just drags the quality of this thread down a lot. You don't like ETH, we get it. Please go to the who replaces ETH thread or something. Many here are trying to be constructive.
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The first one's hilarious. The second one is just depressing.

Manchester United trying to cling onto 6th in April, what has he done to us?
 

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NoPace said:
It's a tough job and he had veto over transfers.

If he'd moved on from Lindelof and spent that money elsewhere, identified a younger DM than Casemiro as plan B that he wanted during the De Jong chase, bought a different winger than Antony (to be fair, not a lot of good wingers around that summer and found a versatile LB/LCB instead of Malacia for that role, we'd be in much better shape.

There were tough calls to make, so it's not like he did disastrously, and buying Lisandro was smart and he's been unlucky in that sense, but he hasn't exactly had the magic touch either.
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The thing with Antony is Erik only pushed so hard for Antony because the club failed him badly in finding a striker. He was asking for a forward player all summer, and the club got hung up on FDJ and everything else went out the window. The summer was almost done, Erik got desperate and pushed for a player he knew/could trust. It seems he has known the hierarchy and structure above himself is clueless and has felt like he has to take control himself, which you can understand. You can debate the merits of choosing Antony, and whether he is good enough or not (ultimately you’d have to say this was a failed transfer) but I don’t think you can blame Erik for getting players that know how he plays.
I think the transfer fee in this case is a disgrace too but that’s on Murtough/Arnold not ETH.
 
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